[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Current Production Quality? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 7/20/2011 8:07:55 AM EDT
| With Kahr as the owner has the quality suffered any? Don't see any bad threads and I like the new ones with the rail machined in. Eyeing the .50 if that matters in either matte chrome or black. But checking first before I drop some coin...... |
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With Kahr as the owner has the quality suffered any? Don't see any bad threads and I like the new ones with the rail machined in. Eyeing the .50 if that matters in either matte chrome or black. But checking first before I drop some coin...... That handgun is a piece of junk. I have shot one, it was a one shot wonder. We cleaned and lubricated, it still would not cycle. Horrible gun, horrible design. News to me, I've got close to 7k rounds through my desert eagle (owned it since 2001 IIRC) and I have yet to have a non user induced failure (limp wristing). 
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I have no personal experience with Kahr made DEs but it is generally thought that the quality has taken a definite dive since the take over. The IWI and IMI versions are much more sought after now and that is what I would get if I were you and if you really like the railed barreled that much you could always just buy the a Kahr barrel separate and install that on the Israeli one, they might even be able to machine the rails into your old barrel.
Except for a few errors on my part (ammo, limp wristing and disintegrating the polymer extractor) my IWI DE has run great and everyone at the range loves it, I always leave with new friends when I take it |
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With Kahr as the owner has the quality suffered any? Don't see any bad threads and I like the new ones with the rail machined in. Eyeing the .50 if that matters in either matte chrome or black. But checking first before I drop some coin...... That handgun is a piece of junk. I have shot one, it was a one shot wonder. We cleaned and lubricated, it still would not cycle. Horrible gun, horrible design. News to me, I've got close to 7k rounds through my desert eagle (owned it since 2001 IIRC) and I have yet to have a non user induced failure (limp wristing). Sounds like you got a good one, look up reviews, many/most people didn't. I don't trust and won't own a pistol that will jam due to limp wristing, even though I don't limp wrist. I think you all are talking about 2 different makers, the 2001 is definitely not a Kahr produced firearm and if the one shot wonder isn't either I would also go the route of user failure. |
| Hmmm I was worried about that. The new top rail models concided with the Kahr take over or was the model slight before the new owners? I saw exactly what I want the other day in a case at a store and with our tax-free day quickly approaching I might see about when it was made. |
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With Kahr as the owner has the quality suffered any? Don't see any bad threads and I like the new ones with the rail machined in. Eyeing the .50 if that matters in either matte chrome or black. But checking first before I drop some coin...... That handgun is a piece of junk. I have shot one, it was a one shot wonder. We cleaned and lubricated, it still would not cycle. Horrible gun, horrible design. BS. Haters gonna hate. The ones I have owned have been excellent weapons. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: With Kahr as the owner has the quality suffered any? Don't see any bad threads and I like the new ones with the rail machined in. Eyeing the .50 if that matters in either matte chrome or black. But checking first before I drop some coin...... That handgun is a piece of junk. I have shot one, it was a one shot wonder. We cleaned and lubricated, it still would not cycle. Horrible gun, horrible design. BS. Haters gonna hate. The ones I have owned have been excellent weapons. The DE in .50 is one of the few handguns I will ever simply just bash. I have NEVER seen one that ran well. I have fired one, it was a one shot wonder. Since then, I have seen three at ranges over the years and all three had the owners pissed off at the failures to eject. I don't enjoy hating on any firearm, its sad really, but between my personal observations, and the numerous tales of woe online....they just seem to be cursed. I am very glad that yours were great though, for the price they should be. |
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With Kahr as the owner has the quality suffered any? Don't see any bad threads and I like the new ones with the rail machined in. Eyeing the .50 if that matters in either matte chrome or black. But checking first before I drop some coin...... That handgun is a piece of junk. I have shot one, it was a one shot wonder. We cleaned and lubricated, it still would not cycle. Horrible gun, horrible design. BS. Haters gonna hate. The ones I have owned have been excellent weapons. The DE in .50 is one of the few handguns I will ever simply just bash. I have NEVER seen one that ran well. I have fired one, it was a one shot wonder. Since then, I have seen three at ranges over the years and all three had the owners pissed off at the failures to eject. I don't enjoy hating on any firearm, its sad really, but between my personal observations, and the numerous tales of woe online....they just seem to be cursed. I am very glad that yours were great though, for the price they should be. Been shooting them since the 80s in three calibers (including .50, my favorite when I can afford the ammo). Compared notes with many other owners as well. You are the first I have heard such feedback from. I expect it from non-owners because they either don't understand the attraction or can't afford the price tag. But this may be different. Meh. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: With Kahr as the owner has the quality suffered any? Don't see any bad threads and I like the new ones with the rail machined in. Eyeing the .50 if that matters in either matte chrome or black. But checking first before I drop some coin...... That handgun is a piece of junk. I have shot one, it was a one shot wonder. We cleaned and lubricated, it still would not cycle. Horrible gun, horrible design. BS. Haters gonna hate. The ones I have owned have been excellent weapons. The DE in .50 is one of the few handguns I will ever simply just bash. I have NEVER seen one that ran well. I have fired one, it was a one shot wonder. Since then, I have seen three at ranges over the years and all three had the owners pissed off at the failures to eject. I don't enjoy hating on any firearm, its sad really, but between my personal observations, and the numerous tales of woe online....they just seem to be cursed. I am very glad that yours were great though, for the price they should be. Been shooting them since the 80s in three calibers (including .50, my favorite when I can afford the ammo). Compared notes with many other owners as well. You are the first I have heard such feedback from. I expect it from non-owners because they either don't understand the attraction or can't afford the price tag. But this may be different. Meh. I recognize that its entirely possible that I just had a string of random bad experiences with them. I understand statistics enough to know that such a thing can happen, even if the quality is not that bad. Its definitely not about the price or attraction. I just had a run of bad luck with them. |
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With Kahr as the owner has the quality suffered any? Don't see any bad threads and I like the new ones with the rail machined in. Eyeing the .50 if that matters in either matte chrome or black. But checking first before I drop some coin...... That handgun is a piece of junk. I have shot one, it was a one shot wonder. We cleaned and lubricated, it still would not cycle. Horrible gun, horrible design. BS. Haters gonna hate. The ones I have owned have been excellent weapons. The DE in .50 is one of the few handguns I will ever simply just bash. I have NEVER seen one that ran well. I have fired one, it was a one shot wonder. Since then, I have seen three at ranges over the years and all three had the owners pissed off at the failures to eject. I don't enjoy hating on any firearm, its sad really, but between my personal observations, and the numerous tales of woe online....they just seem to be cursed. I am very glad that yours were great though, for the price they should be. Been shooting them since the 80s in three calibers (including .50, my favorite when I can afford the ammo). Compared notes with many other owners as well. You are the first I have heard such feedback from. I expect it from non-owners because they either don't understand the attraction or can't afford the price tag. But this may be different. Meh. I recognize that its entirely possible that I just had a string of random bad experiences with them. I understand statistics enough to know that such a thing can happen, even if the quality is not that bad. Its definitely not about the price or attraction. I just had a run of bad luck with them. Now I am confused. First you said you have shot one. Now you say you have had bad luck with them. Which is it? Could we be on a trolling expedition, perhaps? |
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Hmmm I was worried about that. The new top rail models concided with the Kahr take over or was the model slight before the new owners? I saw exactly what I want the other day in a case at a store and with our tax-free day quickly approaching I might see about when it was made. No much slight before Kahr took over, at least not by experienced and educated people on the platform and even a lot of that current slight I believe is speculation as I haven't personally used one or read enough reviews to make an absolute decision on their newly manufactured in the US Desert Eagle. While they make many fine weapons that work well, Kahr simply just has a reputation of making, for lack of a better word, second-rate firearms. They aren't generally considered top of the line and when they take over a brand like Magnum Research or Auto Ordnance which are known to have higher production standards, it is just assumed that Kahr will start making those newly acquired firearms using their usual and normal methods which are thought of as less than on par with the original manufacturer's quality and thus making people believe there will be a resulting suffering in quality. That is currently what has happened with the Desert Eagle |
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Well I bought a new model .50 DE in chrome and it works perfectly. I have had two in .44- one was perfect and the other sucked. I took the gamble and im very happy. A Kahr produced? Well mine doesn't say Kahr on it. Its manufactured in the US in Minneapolis, MN and say's Desert Eagle Pistol made in USA. I have to say it's really is fun to shoot but im saving for a .44 mag barrel to save money. |
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If you take a look at yuku's desert eagle form, maybe 1 out of 60 owners on there complain about problems and of them the majority go something to the effect of "I bought this desert eagle with one mag, and I bought 3 promag magazines because they where $5 a piece cheaper than the factory ones and now my gun jams all the time when I am shooting with the promag magazines. Someone help!" The rest either have worn out springs (used guns are notorious for this) or the newb owner is limp wristing. Sounds like you shot one and limp wrist-ed it and saw a couple of other guys do the same
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If you take a look at yuku's desert eagle form, maybe 1 out of 60 owners on there complain about problems and of them the majority go something to the effect of "I bought this desert eagle with one mag, and I bought 3 promag magazines because they where $5 a piece cheaper than the factory ones and now my gun jams all the time when I am shooting with the promag magazines. Someone help!" The rest either have worn out springs (used guns are notorious for this) or the newb owner is limp wristing. Sounds like you shot one and limp wrist-ed it and saw a couple of other guys do the same Bingo. |
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If you take a look at yuku's desert eagle form, maybe 1 out of 60 owners on there complain about problems and of them the majority go something to the effect of "I bought this desert eagle with one mag, and I bought 3 promag magazines because they where $5 a piece cheaper than the factory ones and now my gun jams all the time when I am shooting with the promag magazines. Someone help!" The rest either have worn out springs (used guns are notorious for this) or the newb owner is limp wristing. Sounds like you shot one and limp wrist-ed it and saw a couple of other guys do the same Bingo. That's food for thought as I know ProMags are crap in HK's too....... |
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DE's are excellent weapons built like tanks and I have found them to be very reliable. They malfunction the way a 45acp malfunctions when they are fired limp wrist-ed by people who don't know how to shoot them correctly
or, if someone is shooting crap ammo through them with inadequate pressure I've owned 3 of them and had no problems nor have they ever had a reputation for bad reliability, ever....that's total bullshit. Just because a company buys another it doesn't mean that the manufacturing process is going to change etc... I doubt the quality has changed. Every time this happens there is always a bunch of people on the internet saying " oh ...now it sucks, no good anymore, blah blah " I used to buy into these rumors but over the years have found them to be untrue except in the clone guns such as the hk 94,93,91 clones or the Ak47 clone manufactures ... They all said the same thing when they stopped making the de's in Israel and began to manufacture them in the US .. Personally, I've always preferred the original "made in Israel" versions by IMI. If your concerned about the new ownership than buy an older used one: chances are it won't be fired much and it will be way cheaper. |
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DE's are excellent weapons built like tanks and I have found them to be very reliable. They malfunction the way a 45acp malfunctions when they are fired limp wrist-ed by people who don't know how to shoot them correctly or, if someone is shooting crap ammo through them with inadequate pressure I've owned 3 of them and had no problems nor have they ever had a reputation for bad reliability, ever....that's total bullshit. Just because a company buys another it doesn't mean that the manufacturing process is going to change etc... I doubt the quality has changed. Every time this happens there is always a bunch of people on the internet saying " oh ...now it sucks, no good anymore, blah blah " I used to buy into these rumors but over the years have found them to be untrue except in the clone guns such as the hk 94,93,91 clones or the Ak47 clone manufactures ... They all said the same thing when they stopped making the de's in Israel and began to manufacture them in the US .. Personally, I've always preferred the original "made in Israel" versions by IMI. If your concerned about the new ownership than buy an older used one: chances are it won't be fired much and it will be way cheaper. Having worked in manufacturing most of my life, manufacturing processes DO tend to change when another company buys out a smaller one. Now between big guys buying other established big guys, yes your statement is true. Only reason I like the new ones is the full rail machined into the top from the modularity standpoint otherwise I would get an older one. Still debating on this issue. |
I've had my made in the USA .50ae for a while now and have not had a single problem with it, loads of fun to shoot and easy to care for. I have mine treated with "Sentry Solutions" dry lubrication treatment so it's fast to clean and super smooth. Just placed a Vortex red dot on top and haven't run it through it's paces yet but seems to be a very sturdy optic. Magnum research also has a hip holster available on the website for scope/red dot mounted eagles...that'll be here next week. The cost of each trigger pull does run through your mind while your at the range, but I also have a .50 bmg so I always load up my 22lrs to take the sting away from spending the whole day at the range.
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I've had my made in the USA .50ae for a while now and have not had a single problem with it, loads of fun to shoot and easy to care for. I have mine treated with "Sentry Solutions" dry lubrication treatment so it's fast to clean and super smooth. Just placed a Vortex red dot on top and haven't run it through it's paces yet but seems to be a very sturdy optic. Magnum research also has a hip holster available on the website for scope/red dot mounted eagles...that'll be here next week. The cost of each trigger pull does run through your mind while your at the range, but I also have a .50 bmg so I always load up my 22lrs to take the sting away from spending the whole day at the range. Thanks. I was thinking a RMR or something similar might be fun optic for it. |
| so far the vortex is holding up great, no shift in zero, no loosening of any kind. Problem free for $150. I does have a tendency to be accidentally turned on when cased because the on/off switch is exposed to pressure. I've heard if you want you can send it in and the company will retro fit some sort of wings on it to keep this from happening. |
| I have a IMI mark 7 44 mag in blue and a IWI mark 19 50 ae in titanium nitride. The only complaint is the blue finish surface rusts very easily. The titanium nitride is easier to clean and durable as hell. I would recommend to get some kind of plating or nitride just to make life easier. PS- I actually like the 44 mag better. It is a lot easier to rapid fire and cheaper to shoot. Both can easily hit a 8 inch steel plate with irons at 100 yards. The local range is only a hundred yards. |
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PS- I actually like the 44 mag better. It is a lot easier to rapid fire and cheaper to shoot. Not the first time I have heard that as it makes perfect sense but to me it's like wanting a new Mustang and not getting a Shelby   If you handload the difference is much less. Factory .44 Magnum ammo is a shadow of what it originally was. My .44s send 300gr XTPs out at 1250fps. |
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If you are that worried about current edition Desert Eagles you can order one that was made in Israel. The model number is DE50W or DE44W and they only come in black. They come stamped made in Israel and have the IWI grips. Really? 1st time I have heard that. Would these models have the 1913 rail though? That and I really like the matte chrome finish on DE's. |
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If you are that worried about current edition Desert Eagles you can order one that was made in Israel. The model number is DE50W or DE44W and they only come in black. They come stamped made in Israel and have the IWI grips. Really? 1st time I have heard that. Would these models have the 1913 rail though? That and I really like the matte chrome finish on DE's. Yes they have the picatinny rail http://www.magnumresearch.com/Expand.asp?ProductCode=Black-6-IWI |
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If you are that worried about current edition Desert Eagles you can order one that was made in Israel. The model number is DE50W or DE44W and they only come in black. They come stamped made in Israel and have the IWI grips. Really? 1st time I have heard that. Would these models have the 1913 rail though? That and I really like the matte chrome finish on DE's. Yes they have the picatinny rail http://www.magnumresearch.com/Expand.asp?ProductCode=Black-6-IWI Thanks that is very tempting now........ |
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With Kahr as the owner has the quality suffered any? Don't see any bad threads and I like the new ones with the rail machined in. Eyeing the .50 if that matters in either matte chrome or black. But checking first before I drop some coin...... That handgun is a piece of junk. I have shot one, it was a one shot wonder. We cleaned and lubricated, it still would not cycle. Horrible gun, horrible design. BS. Haters gonna hate. The ones I have owned have been excellent weapons. The DE in .50 is one of the few handguns I will ever simply just bash. I have NEVER seen one that ran well. I have fired one, it was a one shot wonder. Since then, I have seen three at ranges over the years and all three had the owners pissed off at the failures to eject. I don't enjoy hating on any firearm, its sad really, but between my personal observations, and the numerous tales of woe online....they just seem to be cursed. I am very glad that yours were great though, for the price they should be. Been shooting them since the 80s in three calibers (including .50, my favorite when I can afford the ammo). Compared notes with many other owners as well. You are the first I have heard such feedback from. I expect it from non-owners because they either don't understand the attraction or can't afford the price tag. But this may be different. Meh. I recognize that its entirely possible that I just had a string of random bad experiences with them. I understand statistics enough to know that such a thing can happen, even if the quality is not that bad. Its definitely not about the price or attraction. I just had a run of bad luck with them. Now I am confused. First you said you have shot one. Now you say you have had bad luck with them. Which is it? Could we be on a trolling expedition, perhaps? I have shot ONE, I have seen multiple DE's in .50 malfunction, hence my use of the plural with talking about my general experiences with THEM. If you see a gun malfunction, you had an *experience* with its lack of reliability, even if you weren't the one pulling the trigger. My IMI built XIX in .50AE functioned flawlessly, yet everytime I got sloppy with my form, or someone who didnt have tons of pistol experience shot it it became a jam-o-matic. Its all in technique, my DE went 300 rounds in one day with zero issues, and it was raining. Only reason I sold the thing was because I couldnt stomach the cost of ammo... Anyway based on my previous experience with the platform and the fact that Khar pistols are perty good quality I think I would be willing to give one a shot. |
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If you are that worried about current edition Desert Eagles you can order one that was made in Israel. The model number is DE50W or DE44W and they only come in black. They come stamped made in Israel and have the IWI grips. I thought W was for weaver? lol |
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I think the varying reports on reliability are based on the individual's grip.
I have large hands and a high grip, which came from shooting 1911s thumb high. On a 1911, I grab high enough to push up instead of in on a beaver tail. On a Glock, (19, 17 or 20/21), I get slide bite on the top of my hand. If I use my "regular" grip on a Desert Eagle, my fingers and hand lightly ride the slide, and cause the slide not to go into battery properly. If I keep my hands below the slide, the DE works perfectly. |
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If you are that worried about current edition Desert Eagles you can order one that was made in Israel. The model number is DE50W or DE44W and they only come in black. They come stamped made in Israel and have the IWI grips. I thought W was for weaver? lol I got the same info from Magnum Research who said the guns are identical except where they are built. |
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I will say this, as of last week I have now had 2 instances of crappy customer service (out of 2) since Kahr took over. Prior to Kahr, I had a factory magazine with a crappy spring in it, Magnum Research sent me 2 replacements, free and an updated owner's manual (at my request) for no charge.
Since Kahr, I ordered a muzzle break which took 8 months to come back to me as the fucking gunsmith lost my .440 barrel (I could overhear them arguing over where it was after I had called them for the umpteenth time). More recently I ordered some springs and parts, using the part numbers off their website and after sitting on hold for 15 minutes at a time before their shitty system disconnected me, I finally got through to a real person after about 6 tries (total 1.5-2hrs on hold by this point) and I confirmed with them the parts I wanted. 6 days later the WRONG FUCKING PARTS arrived. Now I got to pay return shipping and I get to wait until the parts the sent get back to them, they confirm they are wrong, and then I get to wait for the new ones. FUCK YOU KAHR ARMS!!! YOU FUCKED UP THE CUSTOMER SERVICE ON MY FAVORITE HAND GUN!!!! Especially since MR had great customer service before and now it is deplorable. |
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I will say this, as of last week I have now had 2 instances of crappy customer service (out of 2) since Kahr took over. Prior to Kahr, I had a factory magazine with a crappy spring in it, Magnum Research sent me 2 replacements, free and an updated owner's manual (at my request) for no charge. Since Kahr, I ordered a muzzle break which took 8 months to come back to me as the fucking gunsmith lost my .440 barrel (I could overhear them arguing over where it was after I had called them for the umpteenth time). More recently I ordered some springs and parts, using the part numbers off their website and after sitting on hold for 15 minutes at a time before their shitty system disconnected me, I finally got through to a real person after about 6 tries (total 1.5-2hrs on hold by this point) and I confirmed with them the parts I wanted. 6 days later the WRONG FUCKING PARTS arrived. Now I got to pay return shipping and I get to wait until the parts the sent get back to them, they confirm they are wrong, and then I get to wait for the new ones. FUCK YOU KAHR ARMS!!! YOU FUCKED UP THE CUSTOMER SERVICE ON MY FAVORITE HAND GUN!!!! Especially since MR had great customer service before and now it is deplorable. They lost your .440 barrel. I would think that will be a problem. I never thought Kahr would be an improvement and apparently it isn't. |
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I will say this, as of last week I have now had 2 instances of crappy customer service (out of 2) since Kahr took over. Prior to Kahr, I had a factory magazine with a crappy spring in it, Magnum Research sent me 2 replacements, free and an updated owner's manual (at my request) for no charge. Since Kahr, I ordered a muzzle break which took 8 months to come back to me as the fucking gunsmith lost my .440 barrel (I could overhear them arguing over where it was after I had called them for the umpteenth time). More recently I ordered some springs and parts, using the part numbers off their website and after sitting on hold for 15 minutes at a time before their shitty system disconnected me, I finally got through to a real person after about 6 tries (total 1.5-2hrs on hold by this point) and I confirmed with them the parts I wanted. 6 days later the WRONG FUCKING PARTS arrived. Now I got to pay return shipping and I get to wait until the parts the sent get back to them, they confirm they are wrong, and then I get to wait for the new ones. FUCK YOU KAHR ARMS!!! YOU FUCKED UP THE CUSTOMER SERVICE ON MY FAVORITE HAND GUN!!!! Especially since MR had great customer service before and now it is deplorable. They lost your .440 barrel. I would think that will be a problem. I never thought Kahr would be an improvement and apparently it isn't. Yeah they finally found it after I hounded them for weeks calling every other day. The job of installing a brake was quoted as having a 2 week turn around and I called them after a month, they said it would be another week, etc. After 6 months of run around, I called and gave the guy some attitude then he put the phone down and talked to the gunsmith, which is when I overheard that my barrel was lost. At that point I started calling every other day to keep the pressure on. After this latest fiasco (still have not got my shit back in the mail) I will not be giving them any more business in part accessories or whatever. |
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I will say this, as of last week I have now had 2 instances of crappy customer service (out of 2) since Kahr took over. Prior to Kahr, I had a factory magazine with a crappy spring in it, Magnum Research sent me 2 replacements, free and an updated owner's manual (at my request) for no charge. Since Kahr, I ordered a muzzle break which took 8 months to come back to me as the fucking gunsmith lost my .440 barrel (I could overhear them arguing over where it was after I had called them for the umpteenth time). More recently I ordered some springs and parts, using the part numbers off their website and after sitting on hold for 15 minutes at a time before their shitty system disconnected me, I finally got through to a real person after about 6 tries (total 1.5-2hrs on hold by this point) and I confirmed with them the parts I wanted. 6 days later the WRONG FUCKING PARTS arrived. Now I got to pay return shipping and I get to wait until the parts the sent get back to them, they confirm they are wrong, and then I get to wait for the new ones. FUCK YOU KAHR ARMS!!! YOU FUCKED UP THE CUSTOMER SERVICE ON MY FAVORITE HAND GUN!!!! Especially since MR had great customer service before and now it is deplorable. They lost your .440 barrel. I would think that will be a problem. I never thought Kahr would be an improvement and apparently it isn't. Yeah they finally found it after I hounded them for weeks calling every other day. The job of installing a brake was quoted as having a 2 week turn around and I called them after a month, they said it would be another week, etc. After 6 months of run around, I called and gave the guy some attitude then he put the phone down and talked to the gunsmith, which is when I overheard that my barrel was lost. At that point I started calling every other day to keep the pressure on. After this latest fiasco (still have not got my shit back in the mail) I will not be giving them any more business in part accessories or whatever. Yeah that doesn't sound very positive..... |
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I think the varying reports on reliability are based on the individual's grip. I have large hands and a high grip, which came from shooting 1911s thumb high. On a 1911, I grab high enough to push up instead of in on a beaver tail. On a Glock, (19, 17 or 20/21), I get slide bite on the top of my hand. If I use my "regular" grip on a Desert Eagle, my fingers and hand lightly ride the slide, and cause the slide not to go into battery properly. If I keep my hands below the slide, the DE works perfectly. I always figured it was from idiots using promags and then bitching about jams or possibly underpowered ammo. |
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I think the varying reports on reliability are based on the individual's grip. I have large hands and a high grip, which came from shooting 1911s thumb high. On a 1911, I grab high enough to push up instead of in on a beaver tail. On a Glock, (19, 17 or 20/21), I get slide bite on the top of my hand. If I use my "regular" grip on a Desert Eagle, my fingers and hand lightly ride the slide, and cause the slide not to go into battery properly. If I keep my hands below the slide, the DE works perfectly. I always figured it was from idiots using promags and then bitching about jams or possibly underpowered ammo. Not in my case. Almost everyone I teach shooting or Aikido is a short female. This makes me pay closer attention to stuff like this, since it can make a big difference between shooters (or martial artists). |