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2/27/2009 6:01:24 AM EDT
Howdy all!
P45 owner. So far I am very happy with it.
It is suprisingly accurate when I take my time with that loooong trigger pull.
I understand the importance of dry fire practice but racking the slide every time is a drag.
My goal is to get better at rapid first shots and follow up shots.

My question:
Is there any harm in just repeatedly squeezing the trigger all the way back on an unloaded P45?

That is where I need the practice, keeping steady while squeezing, and I'd like to get faster at it.
Seems to me it would be less wear and tear on the gun this way but I'd like other opinions.
I'm talking about squeezing the trigger maybe hundreds of times in a session.
 
Thanks.
2/27/2009 6:09:37 AM EDT
[#1]
No mechanical harm, but I'm not sure it will teach you what you want because the trigger pull will feel different (smoother, with less weight) becuase you are not retracting the striker.
2/27/2009 6:15:42 AM EDT
[#2]
I don't believe there are any specific recommendations against dry-firing a Kahr. That said, dry-firing any pistol imparts more force on the pistol than just letting it sit, obviously. Also, some of the impact on the striker and the breechface is dampened when the striker gets to transfer its energy to the primer of the round in the chamber when live fired. So, potentially more force is imparted on the striker and/or breechface (or other parts) when dry-fired than when live fired since the striker doesn't have anything to soak up any of its kinetic energy during dry fire.

So, if you are really going to be dry-firing the hell out of the thing, a set of snap caps for it is really cheap insurance.
2/27/2009 6:33:28 AM EDT
[#3]
Quoted:
No mechanical harm, but I'm not sure it will teach you what you want because the trigger pull will feel different (smoother, with less weight) becuase you are not retracting the striker.


I'm sure you're right there will be some difference, but I can dry fire on a snap cap then immediately pull the trigger again and I don't feel much difference at all. It just doesn't "click" at the end. It's the mechanics of what my finger is doing that I'm working on. (Repetition)

Thanks.
2/27/2009 6:48:04 AM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
I don't believe there are any specific recommendations against dry-firing a Kahr. That said, dry-firing any pistol imparts more force on the pistol than just letting it sit, obviously. Also, some of the impact on the striker and the breechface is dampened when the striker gets to transfer its energy to the primer of the round in the chamber when live fired. So, potentially more force is imparted on the striker and/or breechface (or other parts) when dry-fired than when live fired since the striker doesn't have anything to soak up any of its kinetic energy during dry fire.

So, if you are really going to be dry-firing the hell out of the thing, a set of snap caps for it is really cheap insurance.


I've got the snap caps and I do use them. I don't even mind loading up a magazine with them for repetetive dry fire. Cycling them through does seem to beat them up pretty fast and small pieces/flakes seem to end up littered inside the gun though.

With a DA/SA pistol I can just chamber one snap cap then dry fire till my hand cramps.
With a 1911 I just have to keep pulling the hammer back each time.

I guess I really didn't phrase my question properly.

On a striker fire style pistol, is there any reason not to exersize the trigger repeatedly without cocking/charging it?

Thanks.
2/27/2009 8:37:51 AM EDT
[#5]
u ought to be able to rack the slide about a 1/4' to recock the striker. no need to completely rackthe slide and insert another snap caps, if all you are tring to do is learn better trigger discipline..NOt sure I would want to dry fire 24/7 without snap caps.  Just my thoughts as kahr says you can dry fire, ...
2/27/2009 8:58:52 AM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
u ought to be able to rack the slide about a 1/4' to recock the striker. no need to completely rackthe slide and insert another snap caps, if all you are tring to do is learn better trigger discipline..NOt sure I would want to dry fire 24/7 without snap caps.  Just my thoughts as kahr says you can dry fire, ...


+1

You shouldn't need to completely cycle the round through in order to reset the striker. About 1/4" should do it.
2/27/2009 9:25:27 AM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:
Quoted:
u ought to be able to rack the slide about a 1/4' to recock the striker. no need to completely rackthe slide and insert another snap caps, if all you are tring to do is learn better trigger discipline..NOt sure I would want to dry fire 24/7 without snap caps.  Just my thoughts as kahr says you can dry fire, ...


+1

You shouldn't need to completely cycle the round through in order to reset the striker. About 1/4" should do it.



Thanks guys!
I never knew that.
Hey are Glocks that way too? Nevermind, I'll find out!

Thanks again.
2/27/2009 9:29:51 AM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
u ought to be able to rack the slide about a 1/4' to recock the striker. no need to completely rackthe slide and insert another snap caps, if all you are tring to do is learn better trigger discipline..NOt sure I would want to dry fire 24/7 without snap caps.  Just my thoughts as kahr says you can dry fire, ...


+1

You shouldn't need to completely cycle the round through in order to reset the striker. About 1/4" should do it.



Thanks guys!
I never knew that.
Hey are Glocks that way too? Nevermind, I'll find out!

Thanks again.


Yep!