Posted: 2/23/2011 4:34:24 PM EDT
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Jus got a call from my father in law and he told me about a friend of ours that was at the range on Sunday. he was putting rounds down range from his 17 and it blew up in his hand. I dont know all the details but the only thing he could come up with was that he was fireing lead bullet re-loads. Someone told me that you should not fire lead through a Glock?. I wold not fire them through anything but..
I have not owned a Glock since the late 80s when they were first comming in to the country. considering getting another. but I would like to know if this is a common problem. Thanks. |
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The failure was almost certainly caused by an overly hot or defective reload. Glocks are very durable and reliable. Always use quality ammo in all your firearms.
It's true that Glock polygonal barrels can get fouled by use of lead bullets, but that doesn't cause a kaboom. . |
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Jus got a call from my father in law and he told me about a friend of ours that was at the range on Sunday. he was putting rounds down range from his 17 and it blew up in his hand. I dont know all the details but the only thing he could come up with was that he was fireing lead bullet re-loads. Someone told me that you should not fire lead through a Glock?. I wold not fire them through anything but.. I have not owned a Glock since the late 80s when they were first comming in to the country. considering getting another. but I would like to know if this is a common problem. Thanks. I bet dollars to doughnuts this was the problem. Either a squib load, or a double charge. |
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The key word here is "Reloads"... Lead bullets are not good for Glocks, but they won't make it blow up. Someone probably overloaded the round, or they underloaded one that got stuck in the barrel and a second shot hit it and ruptured the barrel. It is called a squib load.
Any gun out there would blow up with defective ammo, not just the Glock. The bitch of it is that your warranty is voided if you shoot reloads. You can't hold the ammo manufacturer liable, and Glock won't want to hear you were shooting reloads. Sorry that happened and hope your father in law is okay! |
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I too would bet on a squib. We call them "pop, no bangs". I've had 3 in a 9mm using old reloads in a Beretta 92. It's a distinctive POP not a bang and there is usually no muzzle flip and the case may or may not eject. If you put another round in behind it catastrophic failure is almost always the result. |
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It's going to take a LOT of lead to lead up the barrel so bad to make it pop. Even the guy who STARTED that rumor back in the early 90's has stated on camera that if you are cleaning your barrel every 300-400 rounds you will never lead a Glock barrel enough to damage it.
Typically I'm going to go with squib or double charge like everyone else stated. Any gun can blow up from a fuck up, my good friend Jeremy just puked a Kimber barrel from a squib load 2 weeks ago during a USPSA shoot. |
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It's going to take a LOT of lead to lead up the barrel so bad to make it pop. Even the guy who STARTED that rumor back in the early 90's has stated on camera that if you are cleaning your barrel every 300-400 rounds you will never lead a Glock barrel enough to damage it. I've been told that depends on the hardness of the lead used. I've read stories about soft lead bullets being used, and a Glock having a catastrophic failure in far less than 300 rounds without cleaning. Granted, it was only something I've read, but still..... |
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Jus got a call from my father in law and he told me about a friend of ours that was at the range on Sunday. he was putting rounds down range from his 17 and it blew up in his hand. I dont know all the details but the only thing he could come up with was that he was fireing lead bullet re-loads.he fired a round into the back of a squib lodged in barrel. Someone told me that you should not fire lead through a Glock?. I wold not fire them through anything but.. I have not owned a Glock since the late 80s when they were first comming in to the country. considering getting another. but I would like to know if this is a common problem. Thanks. Fixed for likely cause |
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I doubt it was a squib round as part of the Austrian trails was to have bullet blocked barrels shout out by firing another round off. 9mm seems to have the ability to not destroy the barrel from squibs. We also have had multiple 23s have squib rounds and NONE of the barrels were damaged, not even bulged, just a couple locking blocks and pins broke. (defective factory ammo was the cause) with 4 of 15 firearms beig damaged. For a catastrophic failure of a stock barrel you REALLY have to do something wrong.
IMO it was a double charge round. |
| the key is poperly assembled reloads. using something bubba made and sold in a baggie at a gun show is never a good idea. my own reloads that have each individual powder level visually checked before bullet seating fine. as mentioned by several above lead alone will not cause a kaboom by itself- if cleaning every 2-3 hundred rounds is not done and then a jacketed bullet(less ability to deform as it runs down the bore) is fired thru it, yes over pressure can occur. another possiblity is bullet set back where a bullet is driven back into the case during feeding resulting in greatly increased pressure- a big issue with 40's at times. shoot lead but clean bore every 200 rounds (a few passes with a bore brush gets it done) and you will not have any leading related issues. Any gun can kaboom with bad ammo not just glock. We hear about it more in glocks simply because there are so many of them out there |
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Quoted: If you get a chance to see the damage, compare it to these photos. This was a Glock 22 (.40 S&W) after a squib load (factory 180gr Winchester, IIRC). The shooter hand-cycled the slide after it didn't cycle and then fired another round. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c397/familyman357/DSCF0267.jpg http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c397/familyman357/DSCF0275.jpg http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c397/familyman357/DSCF0279.jpg Damn, that's UGLY! |
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If you get a chance to see the damage, compare it to these photos. This was a Glock 22 (.40 S&W) after a squib load (factory 180gr Winchester, IIRC). The shooter hand-cycled the slide after it didn't cycle and then fired another round. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c397/familyman357/DSCF0267.jpg http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c397/familyman357/DSCF0275.jpg http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c397/familyman357/DSCF0279.jpg Damn, that's UGLY! Even the flashlight bought the farm. One shot, two kills.  
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Jus got a call from my father in law and he told me about a friend of ours that was at the range on Sunday. he was putting rounds down range from his 17 and it blew up in his hand. I dont know all the details but the only thing he could come up with was that he was firing lead bullet re-loads. Someone told me that you should not fire lead through a Glock?. I wold not fire them through anything but.. I have not owned a Glock since the late 80s when they were first comming in to the country. considering getting another. but I would like to know if this is a common problem. Thanks. Firing a gun is a contained, small, directed explosion. Without all three guns blow up. Super-simple concept. Reason for this KB noted above. /Thread. |
| When I got my first Glock 20 years ago (G17) I must have misunderstood the dealer because I thought I was ONLY supposed to fire lead round nose bullets out of the gun. Back then, reloads were about $6-8/50 so that's all I shot. Did that for the next 10 years or so and never had an issue. Later I learned/heard something different and have since switched to jacketed rounds. |
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When I got my first Glock 20 years ago (G17) I must have misunderstood the dealer because I thought I was ONLY supposed to fire lead round nose bullets out of the gun. Back then, reloads were about $6-8/50 so that's all I shot. Did that for the next 10 years or so and never had an issue. Later I learned/heard something different and have since switched to jacketed rounds. They're still that. I shoot 125gr lead through my 1911 ESP gun at 11 bucks per 100. My Glock 34 eats a mixture but the game load is a 147gr MG CMJ and even with the expensive bullets they are only 14/100. I've shot an untold amount of reloads in pistols, rifles, and shotguns and I've NEVER had a "KB" and only once squib (shotgun, MEC malfunction with the charge bar, missed one when I was going through and weighing them all looking for the ones that were light). The key is turn the fucking TV off, put the beer down, and sit there and crank out good high quality ammunition. I position my chair to the left of my Dillon so each time I'm throwing a bullet in a flared case I can see the powder charge. The powder is too bulky to allow a double charge and the place I sit allows me to see the lack of a single charge and all is well. As was stated, any gun can blow up and it can happen with factory ammo just as much as reloads (anyone Chrono 9mm WWB or take a look at the primers when fired through a tight chamber?) and the key to all of it is to pay attention. |