Posted: 12/26/2009 5:47:46 AM EDT
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Done. Just plain done fooling around. If it doesn’t say Glock on an auto or S&W on a revolver, it isn’t coming into the house. Having both, I was looking around for something to play with last summer and fall. Cool gun, barbeque gun, potting around plaything gun, pocket gun, just for fun something different gun. Raided momma’s cookie jar and was ready to participate in the economy.
Bought a SIG. Could not fire 10 rounds in a row without failing to feed, fire, or extract 2 or 3 times. Repaired by SIG and resold unfired. Bought a KelTec PF-9. Primer flow from standard 9mm 147 grain HydraShocks welded the firing pin hole shut in addition to magazines not entering the grip, dropping the loaded mag on the first shot, and keyholing. The gun fired a total of 3 (three) rounds before packing up totally. Dealer 100% refund. So I looked at Taurus PT1911 pistols. The prices have risen to within $20 of other makers entry level guns and are no longer a bargain. Priced out of their own market. There seem to be a lot of issues with them, the finish wears off rapidly, and you have to buy new mags for any sort of reliability. So I looked at a Taurus PT132. Cannot find a dealer with one to sell, cannot find anyone who has one who will admit it, and no info on reliability other that a G&A story with about zero details like the guy never even saw the real gun. So I looked at Kimber II pistols. Seemed nice, but slippery grip with no checkering and hard to see black only sights, no white dots. Nice trigger. Some people liked them and others had problems with them. This one feeds X ammo but not Y ammo. A different gun feeds Y ammo but not X. Give me a break. Sounds like the old story, which of the half dozen Kimber companies over the years made this one. Same story with STI entry level gun. Genuine Phillipines Armscor frame and slide with an STI trigger and hammer set. Whoop Te Do. The metal work was so bad I thought the frame was plastic, and I don’t mean Glock polymer. So I quit. I have been reading and learning for a month or two. Most of these auto pistols are randomly dependable. Some or many of them work of a particular model. For no obvious reason, some or a lot don’t work of the same exact model. Cheap 1911s don’t seem like a reliable item. Cheap plastic and steel guns seem even less reliable from the off brand makers. The more power someone pours into a smaller package, the less reliable the product seems. And that doesn’t speak to good or poor designs or good or poor quality control. Or to good or poor customer service. Every web site has its buffs whose personal guns always work after they have polished them up. Good on them. It seems like a personal challenge for them to make a substandard product perform as they wish. Or send it back until it does. Granted, web sites catch a lot of bad stories and skip the good ones. The web sites also miss the mass of sillies who buy a gun, load it, and never fire it knowing it will work since it is new. If you carry a gun, you carry it to shoot if needed every single time. Most of these won’t unless you fiddle with them, polish them, send them back for refitting and fixing, and you shoot $200 of each ammo type per brand to see if it “likes” that ammo brand and bullet style. Breaking them in costs as much as the gun ammo price wise. If a factory cartridge fits into the magazine of a Glock 9mm, 40S&W, or .45acp and is of remotely normal power for the caliber, it will feed, fire, and eject. Bet your life on it out of the box. Save the frustration of off brand toys. They work. I think the main reason is the super quality magazines from Glock and the straight into the chamber feeding angle from the magazine. The slide pushes the round forward into the big hole, not up a half inch ramp. And if you can see at all, you can put the big white dot into the big white three sided box and pull the trigger. Perfect holster guns and a M26 is manageable in a pocket, if you must. Ditto with the S&W M&P340 Scandium .357 with a Big Dot Tritium front sight. If you put it into the chambers and pull the trigger, it fires to hit where ever you put the front sight. Perfect pocket gun. No frustration. It is reliable to bet your life on. If a lightweight J frame is too brutal, even with .38 or .38 +P ammo, buy virtually any K frame Smith .38 and be well armed. Having finally figured out I already possess the Holy Grail, I quit looking around. |
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sounds to me that you may have a problem if your having so many issues with so many different pistols.
Improper cleaning perhaps...... Oh well...i like glocks and S&W aswell but i also own Taurus's You go ahead and only buy Glock and S&W...more for the rest of use 
Oh and nice spaming |
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sounds to me that you may have a problem if your having so many issues with so many different pistols. Improper cleaning perhaps......
In some cases, perhaps a reasonable observation. Not in this one. Some guns run, some don't. Glocks, S&W revolvers, ARs, Garands, Carbines, all maintained to run with perfection. The Glocks run with range pick up brass reloaded. Other things noted that don't run were fired, cleaned, lubed per their manuals and still didn't work. Sorry, user mistakes not the cause. A SIG Mosquito that will not run with CCI MiniMags won't run with anything else. A KelTec that dies with Federal HydraShock 9mm isn't going to run. |
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Hmmmm, good to know I shouldn't trust my Beretta PX4 or 92FS, even though they've never failed to feed, fire or eject.
Or my Ruger P95, that's never failed to feed, fire or eject. Or my XD9, that's never failed to feed, fire or eject. Or my Ruger revolvers, that've never failed to fire. Or my LCP, that's never failed to feed, fire or eject. Or my Kel Tec P32, that's never failed to feed, fire or eject. And since this is the Taurus forum: My PT92AFS, that's never failed to feed, fire or eject. Or my new PT101P, that's never failed to feed, fire or eject during the approximately 150 rounds so far. I did have one failure to feed on my XD45. Out of hundreds of rounds. Just goes to show you that if it's not a Glock or S&W, it's junk. 
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I had a Taurus revolver once and I liked it a lot,
until the cylinder decided to go out of timing. Also I had a expensive 1911 ($800 is expensive to me anyway) I had to replace the extractor after a few months and the safety plunger fell out of the frame after about a year- they can keep them too ] |
| It's a shame he mentioned so few makes. I detect a little ignorance since he thinks the Glock and S&W are only worthy to be owned. Out of the the FTF or FTE issues it is mostly ammo related or weak mag springs. He can borrow my XD's anytime and tell me they don't function properly after he runs as many rounds he wants to! |
| I was going to respond earlier, but didn't want to waste the key strokes. Don't waste your time guys, just let this thread die. Leave the simpleton to his simple tools. If he can't make a firearm that's identical to millions of other weapons shoot as reliably as all the others, its not worth my time to try and teach him anything. It is obvious that he is willfully ignorant, which I think is the nicest possible way of calling someone an idiot without saying it. Have a nice day sir, and enjoy your bliss! |