Posted: 12/26/2009 5:51:07 AM EDT
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Done. Just plain done fooling around. If it doesn’t say Glock on an auto or S&W on a revolver, it isn’t coming into the house. Having both, I was looking around for something to play with last summer and fall. Cool gun, barbeque gun, potting around plaything gun, pocket gun, just for fun something different gun. Raided momma’s cookie jar and was ready to participate in the economy.
Bought a SIG. Could not fire 10 rounds in a row without failing to feed, fire, or extract 2 or 3 times. Repaired by SIG and resold unfired. Bought a KelTec PF-9. Primer flow from standard 9mm 147 grain HydraShocks welded the firing pin hole shut in addition to magazines not entering the grip, dropping the loaded mag on the first shot, and keyholing. The gun fired a total of 3 (three) rounds before packing up totally. Dealer 100% refund. So I looked at Taurus PT1911 pistols. The prices have risen to within $20 of other makers entry level guns and are no longer a bargain. Priced out of their own market. There seem to be a lot of issues with them, the finish wears off rapidly, and you have to buy new mags for any sort of reliability. So I looked at a Taurus PT132. Cannot find a dealer with one to sell, cannot find anyone who has one who will admit it, and no info on reliability other that a G&A story with about zero details like the guy never even saw the real gun. So I looked at Kimber II pistols. Seemed nice, but slippery grip with no checkering and hard to see black only sights, no white dots. Nice trigger. Some people liked them and others had problems with them. This one feeds X ammo but not Y ammo. A different gun feeds Y ammo but not X. Give me a break. Sounds like the old story, which of the half dozen Kimber companies over the years made this one. Same story with STI entry level gun. Genuine Phillipines Armscor frame and slide with an STI trigger and hammer set. Whoop Te Do. The metal work was so bad I thought the frame was plastic, and I don’t mean Glock polymer. So I quit. I have been reading and learning for a month or two. Most of these auto pistols are randomly dependable. Some or many of them work of a particular model. For no obvious reason, some or a lot don’t work of the same exact model. Cheap 1911s don’t seem like a reliable item. Cheap plastic and steel guns seem even less reliable from the off brand makers. The more power someone pours into a smaller package, the less reliable the product seems. And that doesn’t speak to good or poor designs or good or poor quality control. Or to good or poor customer service. Every web site has its buffs whose personal guns always work after they have polished them up. Good on them. It seems like a personal challenge for them to make a substandard product perform as they wish. Or send it back until it does. Granted, web sites catch a lot of bad stories and skip the good ones. The web sites also miss the mass of sillies who buy a gun, load it, and never fire it knowing it will work since it is new. If you carry a gun, you carry it to shoot if needed every single time. Most of these won’t unless you fiddle with them, polish them, send them back for refitting and fixing, and you shoot $200 of each ammo type per brand to see if it “likes” that ammo brand and bullet style. Breaking them in costs as much as the gun ammo price wise. If a factory cartridge fits into the magazine of a Glock 9mm, 40S&W, or .45acp and is of remotely normal power for the caliber, it will feed, fire, and eject. Bet your life on it out of the box. Save the frustration of off brand toys. They work. I think the main reason is the super quality magazines from Glock and the straight into the chamber feeding angle from the magazine. The slide pushes the round forward into the big hole, not up a half inch ramp. And if you can see at all, you can put the big white dot into the big white three sided box and pull the trigger. Perfect holster guns and a M26 is manageable in a pocket, if you must. Ditto with the S&W M&P340 Scandium .357 with a Big Dot Tritium front sight. If you put it into the chambers and pull the trigger, it fires to hit where ever you put the front sight. Perfect pocket gun. No frustration. It is reliable to bet your life on. If a lightweight J frame is too brutal, even with .38 or .38 +P ammo, buy virtually any K frame Smith .38 and be well armed. Having finally figured out I already possess the Holy Grail, I quit looking around. |
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If a factory cartridge fits into the magazine of a Glock 9mm, 40S&W, or .45acp and is of remotely normal power for the caliber, it will feed, fire, and eject. Bet your life on it out of the box. Save the frustration of off brand toys. They work. I have been purposely abusing my G19 at every training class and range tripI go on in order to try and get it to choke. It is so reliable it is almost boring. I have frozen it, packed the insides with snow, buried it in silty dust, poured said silty dust into magazines, thrown it at various things from various distances, etc. etc. and it just keeps running. While many guns can be reliable, I have never seen a more consistently reliable gun than a Glock. |
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From looking, shooting, reading, and internetting, it isn't that this gun or that gun has a percentage of problems or a high percentage of problems.
The fact seems to be that it is a distinct effort to find a brand that is reliable. Glock and S&W revolvers are. As to other brands, I didn't bother to mention the Springfield 1911 with about an 8# pull, the FBI SWAT 1911 that jambed 2 or 3 times per magazine shooting ball ammo (a Springfield I think), ParaExperts with the finish wearing off from gun counter handling, Walther .380s that drop a full magazine when the chambered round is fired, Ruger LCPs that fire when dropped until you get the recall done, Ruger LCRs with easy recoil because of a monster rubber grip that gets stuck on every piece of fabric that touches it, and on and on. Especially the original buy the Colt auto and then spend three times that much to make it run. If they ever knew, American gun companies have forgotten the damn things have to work. This time, everytime, all the time. Reliable sells guns. People pay for reliable even if it is ugly. Glock understood this. The first reliable auto pistol. No one cares much if it is plastic or steel, aluminum forged or stamped, just so it works. If it weren't for all the Glock copies, Glock would own the entire auto pistol market. I think it is a shame consumers accept the junk sold to us a big prices. Or pay say Rock River's prices for a reliable 1911. A little more piss offed ness among consumers and these companies would try a little harder. My first rule is simple now. If a company's warranty won't pay to ship it back to them during the warranty period, don't buy it. As in if they do not send you a call tag per their policy, don't waste your money. If it is too small and light for the caliber, wait a couple years to see if they actually work. If the Owners Group website specializes in "Fluffing and Buffing" a poorly machined product, don't waste your money. I still hope the Chinese will get to re-enter the US firearms business. They still have machinists. |
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I've owned many Sigs,shot the crap out of them,never had a problem. Currently still have one. Only reason I sold the others is I lost interest in the 9mm.
I've owned several Colt 1911's,all were "fussy",currently don't own a Colt 1911 I currently own 2 Kimber 1911's,one 45 and one 10mm. Have shot all sorts of ammo through them,not a single problem. I have a Keltec PF-9,about 500 rds through it without a single issue except I hate the slide release lever,to small to work easily. Only reason I got it was the small size and 9mm is better than .380. For the price,I am impressed. I have a Para Expert,have'nt had time to run it though the ringer yet but so far I like it but only a few hundred rds through it. I have a Glock29,compact 10mm. Great gun but feels like a 2x4 block in the hand. This would be an awesome compact if they made it in single stack instead of 2x4 width. As far as sights go,every maker offers something different. Saying a gun is junk because you don't like the sights on it is foolish. If you don't want the plain black sights then buy a different model that has 3 dots. Or glo dots,or whatever you want. Crying about sight types YOU BOUGHT is like crying that your car co sucks because your car has the steel wheels instead of the polished aluminum. It's good to see that you found the "perfect" guns though so now you don't have to buy anymore. That will save you lot of time not having to post about anything but your two guns from now on,and how they are the only good ones made. Thanks for the info,I'll be sure to remember next time I get the urge to buy another piece of junk like all the ones I have now. 
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