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4/21/2009 9:39:14 PM EDT
Hi, I have trouble operating the slide stop when reloading.  Is installing a extended slide stop a good idea?  Any suggestions on what brand is good and how to install it?  Thanks
4/21/2009 11:23:05 PM EDT
[#1]
If you reload hard enough the slide will close by itself.  However, if it dosent the slingshot method works good.  OR an extended works good.  I shoot mainly the 21sf in IDPA, and my slide closes by itself.  

 King
4/22/2009 12:34:09 AM EDT
[#2]
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Hi, I have trouble operating the slide stop when reloading.  Is installing a extended slide stop a good idea?  Any suggestions on what brand is good and how to install it?  Thanks




Installing a extended slide release would certainly improve manipulation of the slide release after a reload. As far as it being a good idea, well, that's entirely up to you. I always use an overhand grip to manipulate the slide on pistols so I personally wouldn't. Now, as far as brands go, I'd stick with factory Glock, Changing it out is a piece of cake, and you only need 1 tool. And that tool is a punch or an improvised tool that works just the same. I use an allen wrench or small screwdriver.

The link below is the Glock Armorers Manual that will illustrate disassembly of your pistol. You can save the .pdf file on your computer too.

http://gunmanuals.net/Manuals/glock_armorers_manual_update.pdf
4/22/2009 1:05:50 AM EDT
[#3]
Up to you.

Better to just use the so-called "overhand method".
4/22/2009 5:57:47 AM EDT
[#4]
I have one on my carry Glock. I used the factory extension. Since I am left handed it helps me to activate the slide stop as well as disengage it.

There may be times were you other hand is not available. This would help a lot. My normal operation is the sling shot method.
4/22/2009 6:34:44 AM EDT
[#5]
It's a "slide stop lever" not a "slide release".  It was never intended to be used for reloads, and in all my training I've always been taught the same.  You should practice the slingshot method and don't worry about the silly little slide stop lever.  Fine motor skills vs. gross motor skills.  My G35 came with an extended slide stop lever, which based on my grip would lock the slide back for me every other round (I shoot with high thumbs).  I strongly recommend you stay away from these things on carry guns.
4/22/2009 7:11:10 AM EDT
[#6]
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It's a "slide stop lever" not a "slide release".  

The standard factory part is a “Slide Stop Lever”. The “extended” factory part that comes on the G34, G35, G17Pro, etc.. is an “Extended Slide Release”
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It was never intended to be used for reloads,

The factory extended slide release was in fact designed to be used as just that, a slide release.
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and in all my training I've always been taught the same.  

This is not what “all” trainers teach. I have been taught both methods and the pros and cons of each. There is no one “right” method here.
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You should practice the slingshot method and don't worry about the silly little slide stop lever.  

You should practice both. This does not have to be a one of the other type thing. Both methods have their pros and cons.
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Fine motor skills vs. gross motor skills.  

BS – Trigger press, sight alignment, mag changes are all fine motor skills. That’s why we practice them
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which based on my grip would lock the slide back for me every other round (I shoot with high thumbs).

Sorry but that was your issue, not the guns or the slide release’s. I shoot “high thunbs” too and I have never had a problem with accidently hitting the slide release. Sounds to me like you are gripping with your thumbs which I was taught was incorrect.
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I strongly recommend you stay away from these things on carry guns.

All of my Glocks have the factory ext. slide release. I consider it mandatory equipment.

You can not always count on having 2 hands to do the sling shot method. If you think the issue of fine motor skills makes the ext. release a bad option, try hooking the rear sight on your belt or other object for a one handed slingshot while under stress

Just to be clear, I have no issue with the overhand method and do feel it has it’s place but I do have an issue with people claiming it’s the only method and that some how using a factory part, in the way it was intended to be used, is somehow wrong or dangerous. To me, not knowing or practicing how to properly use all of the options available to you is wrong and dangerous.
4/22/2009 7:58:53 AM EDT
[#7]




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It's a "slide stop lever" not a "slide release". It was never intended to be used for reloads, and in all my training I've always been taught the same. You should practice the slingshot method and don't worry about the silly little slide stop lever. Fine motor skills vs. gross motor skills. My G35 came with an extended slide stop lever, which based on my grip would lock the slide back for me every other round (I shoot with high thumbs). I strongly recommend you stay away from these things on carry guns.


Absolutely Untrue!!!



This has been debated ad nauseam but the simple fact is that Glock Inc. installs extended Slide Stop Levers on both of their competition models (G34 and G35) and they were installed there to be used, not to be pretty.



While many instructors still teach this antiquated method with Glocks, the slingshot method is by far the slowest of the 3 methods of charging your Glock after a mag change and it requires by far the most complex motor skill movements.  



If you watch the competitive shooting sports, you'll note that most Glock competitors use either that mag slap (inserting the mag forceably which releases the slide) or they insert the mag and drop the slide using the lever.  



I've tuned all of my Glock levers to release the slide with a mag slap and should that fail, I've got my thumb on the extended Slide Stop Lever ready to drop it manually.  I never resort to the overhand method as its both awkward and slow.
4/22/2009 8:04:21 AM EDT
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I've tuned all of my Glock levers to release the slide with a mag slap

I've never heard of being able to "tune" a Glock to do that? How do you tune it to do that?

4/22/2009 1:07:25 PM EDT
[#9]
I play with the angle of the bend so that it positively engages but will release when the mag is inserted with a slap.  Its a matter of trial and error until you understand what you are looking for.
4/22/2009 1:17:17 PM EDT
[#10]
I have one on my G23 and it works for me



4/23/2009 8:17:14 AM EDT
[#11]
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I play with the angle of the bend so that it positively engages but will release when the mag is inserted with a slap.  Its a matter of trial and error until you understand what you are looking for.

Thanks Steve, I'll have to try that sometime
4/23/2009 6:05:05 PM EDT
[#12]
I didn't know about the "slingshot method" and it works pretty good for me.  Thanks for posting that up!  However, I'm sure I'd rather use an extended slide stop.

Does anyone know where I can buy a extended slide stop for a G19?  I've looked at a lot of websites and all of them had the extended slide stop on back order
4/23/2009 6:16:22 PM EDT
[#13]
There's a recent thread on Glock Talk from a guy who just finished Glock Armorer's class, and the Glock employee who taught the class stated that the release lever (or slide stop if you like) is intended only to lock the slide open. They recommend sling shot or over-hand method to drop the slide.  

Over hand is best to train with anyway, since it works on any auto (as does slingshot), and the same motion allows you to clear stovepipe jams.

.
4/23/2009 6:57:17 PM EDT
[#14]
to each their own, but I overhand it 99.999% of the time. I do have the extended stop because it easier to engage the lock w/ my stubby digits.

overhand keeps me from breaking my grip w/ firing hand, has much much more gripping force, provides more positive chambering, and works w/ wet/muddy/bloody hands. I can overhand MUCH faster than using the slide stop.

disclaimer: this is my opinion only, do what works for YOU
4/23/2009 8:56:08 PM EDT
[#15]
So overhand is basicly a slingshot with the thumb on your reaction hand facing towards you?
4/23/2009 9:18:26 PM EDT
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So overhand is basicly a slingshot with the thumb on your reaction hand facing towards you?



Palm on one side of the slide, with 4 fingers on the opposite side of the slide.
Thumb pointing at you, finger tips pointing down towards the ground.
4/24/2009 3:26:03 AM EDT
[#17]
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Does anyone know where I can buy a extended slide stop for a G19?  I've looked at a lot of websites and all of them had the extended slide stop on back order

GlockParts.com and Brownells both seem to have them in stock. Brownells has the better price, especially if you get the Dealer\C&R discount
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There's a recent thread on Glock Talk from a guy who just finished Glock Armorer's class, and the Glock employee who taught the class stated that the release lever (or slide stop if you like) is intended only to lock the slide open. They recommend sling shot or over-hand method to drop the slide.

I would have to see the thread but from what you posted, I'm guessing this is a confusion of names again. The parts that comes stock on all Glocks (except the G34, 35 and G17Pro) is called a "Slide Stop Lever". That part was only designed to lock the slide back, not to release the slide with. Glock also makes what they call an "Extended Slide Release". This is the part that the 34, 35 and 17Pro come with and it was designed to be used to release the slide.

4/28/2009 4:36:27 PM EDT
[#18]
^ Thanks, i'll order one at the end of the month sometime :)