Posted: 6/9/2012 2:23:20 AM EDT
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I was wondering what would be the best way to extend the range
of glock 19. SBR route or mount a RMR to the slide. |
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Define longer range.
Seriously, just practice. It is very likely your G19 will already shoot out further than you. 100-150 yard accurate fire with a pistol is not difficult once you spend some time behind the trigger. If you are talking external ballistics, it is a different conversation. |
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I was wondering what would be the best way to extend the range of glock 19. SBR route or mount a RMR to the slide. For planning purposes the max effective range of a sub gun in 9mm is 50yds (maybe a bit more but the 9mm runs out of steam quick).....that sort of gives you perspective on what you can expect from just about any 9mm pistol. That being said I can usually put 10 out of 10 into a type E silhouette at 100yds on a good day with my G-19 though I wouldn't consider it a 100 yd weapon by any means. There's an old saying....you don't bring a pistol if you're planning on going to a gun fight. You bring a rifle, preferably .308 or bigger and 5 or 10 of your very best friends. Pistols are back-up/self defense weapons. If you think you'll need more range I'd say get a SBR in rifle caliber. Just my .02. |
It would be naive and incorrect to underestimate the lethality of a 9mm @ 50+ yds. Of course, nobody but the author knows what "for planning purposes" means.  It's just not practical or sensible to depend on a rifle for day-to-day s.d. scenarios. Anybody here walk around with a rifle slung over his shoulder? I didn't think so!!!! 
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It would be naive and incorrect to underestimate the lethality of a 9mm @ 50+ yds. Of course, nobody but the author knows what "for planning purposes" means. It's just not practical or sensible to depend on a rifle for day-to-day s.d. scenarios. Anybody here walk around with a rifle slung over his shoulder? I didn't think so!!!! 9x19 is a poor choice for ranges beyond 50m. Additionally, while is may not always be practical to have a rifle on your person it would be wise to have one close by if you believe that you'll need a firearm. Who was it that said " your pistol should be used to fight to your rifle"? Clint Smith, I believe. In any case apparently your experience has led you to believe that a pistol is what you require. Good luck with that. OP, you had mentioned an SBR config. My point simply was that if you're considering a system that approaches those types of lengths, e.g. a stocked weapon, it may be wise to consider a different caliber, specifically a rifle caliber. Simply put if you're going to carry the weight and deal with the length you should get the biggest bang for your buck. Ref accuracy with a 9mm SBR...Years ago I did some accuracy testing with MP5s and IIRC I was getting 12-15" groups at 125m from a sand bag rest, mil ball and using open sights. The issue of course is the ballistic qualities of 9x19 at that range. A 2 MOA red dot would probably tweak out a bit tighter group due to the better sight picture. As mentioned, you can also adjust your sight alignment to achieve a bit more accurate fire at ranges beyond a 100m. I wouldn't recommend raising the front sight post though. The technique that works for me is to achieve a solid sight picture on target and then lower your rear sight appropriately. By doing it this way you don't mask your target with the front sight post. You'll have to discover how much to lower, at what range, through practice. For shots inside a 100m with a 9mm, IIRC, you achieve classic sight alignment and adjust your point of aim, e.g. for a 50m shot your point of aim is high chest, a 100m shot requires a head hold, etc...IIRC you get about a 15" drop at 100. Also, as previously mentioned, fundamentals really count at these ranges....especially sight alignment and trigger control....that whole mil relation formula/ angular deviation and all that jazz. |
| I can easily hit man sized targets at 100 yards with my smith and wesson j frame 38- a gun with smaller grip smaller sight radius and slighlty less powerful ammo. with proper application of fundamental sight picture and trigger control hitting a 100 yard target with a 9mm should be no problem. What kind of a hand held group can you shoot at 25 yards? if it is not less than about 3 inches then you are not applying the fundamentals. even my glock 26 will shoot under 3 inches at 25 yards hand held. |
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Check out Hickok45 , in the 4.50 mark of the video, he's hitting steel plates at 100 yards with his Glock 19.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri5AyXzxb4o |
| Ringing steel at 100 yards is something I can teach to just about anyone with good enough eyesight to see the target at 100 yards. Sight alignment and trigger control is all it is. Out past 150+ it requires a little more finesse and understanding of external ballistics, but is still very probable. Of course terminal ballistics at that range is a crapshoot - but it beats throwing rocks by a long shot. If it is me with my G22 vs a rifle shooter at 150 yards, he has a definite advantage, but I will make his life uncomfortable. It also irrates rifle shooters on the range at 100+ yards when the pistol guy starts ringing his gong. |
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As TDunn and I stated above, it's about software, not hardware.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmMEg4y54Dk
This guy is a friggin human ransom rest ! |