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10/16/2011 2:55:15 PM EDT
I've had a lot of extraction issues with my 3rd gen G19. I've had brass smack me in the face, stovepipes, empty casings held horizontal by the breachface and barrel. I've already changed teh extractor once and the problems continue, and may have got worse.(Can't find the factory original). I have two other Glocks that I shoot regularly and do not have an issue with them. They are all 3rd gen. A 26 and a 17. I compared the extractors on my 17 and 19 while they were installed in the slide. The one in my 19 has a "3" marked on it. It also has a small ledge/gap right before the breachface. My 17 does not have this, it has a "4" marked on it. The extractor in my 26 is simalar to my 19 but has a smaller ledge/gap on it. It has a "2" marked on it. How many variations of extractors are there for the 3rd gen's? I've put the #4 extractor that came in my 17 in my 19... just waiting for a time to get to the range and test it. If it works I'll order a replacement. Do you think Glockmeister or TheGlockStore would be able to verify the # on the extractors before mailing?
10/16/2011 4:02:36 PM EDT
[#1]
I believe your problems could be solved by changing your Glock 19 magazine(s).  Magazines are 98% of any and all problems related to the Glock series of pistols.  If you haven't tried this yet. give it some thought.

Back to your question with the extractors.  Glock extractors from the beginning, until very recently, have been cast from a mold, hence the "numbers" your seeing on your various Glock 9mm extractors..  Recently, it appears that Glock Inc. has begin using the MIM process for forming their extractors.  Just about any spare 9mm extractors your able to find on the commercial market will be of the newer, MIM variety.  NOT that there's anything wrong with that!   I've never had a problem with a "cast" Glock extractor and if and when I ever purchase any new Glock pistols, I won't be worrying about their newer MIM parts either.  As long as they work, I don't care.

To solve your reliability issue with your Glock 19, I'd suggest you mark your current magazines and see which one(s) is the culprit.  I've had a number of Brand New, Factory Glock 17 and Glock 19 magazines that cause EXACTLY the same problems you've experienced.  I used to keep cull them and only use them to let myself and my shooting friends use them for malfunction-clearing, since it was the only way to get a good Glock 17/19 to malfunction!  

Glock Inc. is close to perfect but when you make millions of magazines a year, some lemons slip through.  Magazines are ALWAYS the weak link in a reliable firearm.  Good luck.

10/16/2011 4:06:15 PM EDT
[#2]
I'll try separating the mags again. I have ten of them, 4 of which have only been used for IDPA matches. This has happend in my 19 with G17 and g19 mags as well.
10/16/2011 4:49:02 PM EDT
[#3]
Quoted:
I believe your problems could be solved by changing your Glock 19 magazine(s).  Magazines are 98% of any and all problems related to the Glock series of pistols.  If you haven't tried this yet. give it some thought.

Back to your question with the extractors.  Glock extractors from the beginning, until very recently, have been cast from a mold, hence the "numbers" your seeing on your various Glock 9mm extractors..  Recently, it appears that Glock Inc. has begin using the MIM process for forming their extractors.  Just about any spare 9mm extractors your able to find on the commercial market will be of the newer, MIM variety.  NOT that there's anything wrong with that!   I've never had a problem with a "cast" Glock extractor and if and when I ever purchase any new Glock pistols, I won't be worrying about their newer MIM parts either.  As long as they work, I don't care.

To solve your reliability issue with your Glock 19, I'd suggest you mark your current magazines and see which one(s) is the culprit.  I've had a number of Brand New, Factory Glock 17 and Glock 19 magazines that cause EXACTLY the same problems you've experienced.  I used to keep cull them and only use them to let myself and my shooting friends use them for malfunction-clearing, since it was the only way to get a good Glock 17/19 to malfunction!  

Glock Inc. is close to perfect but when you make millions of magazines a year, some lemons slip through.  Magazines are ALWAYS the weak link in a reliable firearm.  Good luck.



what would mags have to do with extraction problems?
10/16/2011 5:40:15 PM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
I believe your problems could be solved by changing your Glock 19 magazine(s).  Magazines are 98% of any and all problems related to the Glock series of pistols.  If you haven't tried this yet. give it some thought.

Back to your question with the extractors.  Glock extractors from the beginning, until very recently, have been cast from a mold, hence the "numbers" your seeing on your various Glock 9mm extractors..  Recently, it appears that Glock Inc. has begin using the MIM process for forming their extractors.  Just about any spare 9mm extractors your able to find on the commercial market will be of the newer, MIM variety.  NOT that there's anything wrong with that!   I've never had a problem with a "cast" Glock extractor and if and when I ever purchase any new Glock pistols, I won't be worrying about their newer MIM parts either.  As long as they work, I don't care.

To solve your reliability issue with your Glock 19, I'd suggest you mark your current magazines and see which one(s) is the culprit.  I've had a number of Brand New, Factory Glock 17 and Glock 19 magazines that cause EXACTLY the same problems you've experienced.  I used to keep cull them and only use them to let myself and my shooting friends use them for malfunction-clearing, since it was the only way to get a good Glock 17/19 to malfunction!  

Glock Inc. is close to perfect but when you make millions of magazines a year, some lemons slip through.  Magazines are ALWAYS the weak link in a reliable firearm.  Good luck.



Failure to feed is a mag issue, Failure to extract is an ejector or extractor or recoil spring issue.

10/17/2011 12:05:54 AM EDT
[#5]
A lot of the recent production Glocks, both Gen3 and Gen4, have ejection issues. A cause of some of the problems is their cheap new extractors, but replacing the extractor doesn't fix it for some people. I believe it's how the slides are cut, my Gen3 G27 has erratic ejection and I can see there's more of a gap between the breech face and extractor claw in my G27 than there is in my G23 while using the same extractor.

Glock has a new ejector to fix the problem but they're only using it in Gen4 guns, so if you have a Gen3 that has that problem you'll have to fix it yourself. For my Gen3 G27 I'm waiting until the newest Gen4 trigger housings have the new ejector in them, I'm going to take that ejector and put it into the Gen3 trigger housing for my G27.
10/17/2011 3:59:37 AM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
A lot of the recent production Glocks, both Gen3 and Gen4, have ejection issues. A cause of some of the problems is their cheap new extractors, but replacing the extractor doesn't fix it for some people. I believe it's how the slides are cut, my Gen3 G27 has erratic ejection and I can see there's more of a gap between the breech face and extractor claw in my G27 than there is in my G23 while using the same extractor.

Glock has a new ejector to fix the problem but they're only using it in Gen4 guns, so if you have a Gen3 that has that problem you'll have to fix it yourself. For my Gen3 G27 I'm waiting until the newest Gen4 trigger housings have the new ejector in them, I'm going to take that ejector and put it into the Gen3 trigger housing for my G27.


It won't fit because gen 4 trigger housing is taller for one, and thinner for another. That's a gen4 on the left.

10/17/2011 12:45:47 PM EDT
[#7]
The 336 ejector fits into both for 9mm, and the 1882 ejector fits into both for .40. Worst case scenario I might have to trim and stone some material off of the new ejector to make it fit, but I'm pretty sure that won't be necessary.