Posted: 9/21/2009 5:16:20 AM EDT
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I picked up a used Warrior recently and I've had a small FTF problem with it that I'm not sure how to remedy.
It's happened with both HP and FMJ ammo and I think it may be mag related. What happens is the gun won't completely chamber the round. I dropped the mag and it chambered. I could also get it to chamber the round if I racked the slide a second time with the mag still inserted. The mags are Tripp Cobra 8-rounders. The weird thing about both of the Cobra mags is they don't really seem to seat completely in the gun. When locked into place, I can still push on the bottom of the mag and it will move a couple additional mm into the gun. I'm new to 1911s, so is this normal? Any help on how to remedy this? I can buy different mags, but I don't want to keep spending money on mags if that isn't the main problem. |
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Sounds like mag problem if you are using quality ammo. I use Chip McCormick and Wilson Combat mags in my 1911's they have never given me a FTF except once when I was shooting cheap ammo and the cartridge was malformed. Invest in some quality mags and that should solve your problem.
Does your mags hold the slide back when they are empty. It is normal to have a slight movement of the mag when you push on them. |
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Sounds like mag problem if you are using quality ammo. I use Chip McCormick and Wilson Combat mags in my 1911's they have never given me a FTF except once when I was shooting cheap ammo and the cartridge was malformed. Invest in some quality mags and that should solve your problem. Does your mags hold the slide back when they are empty. It is normal to have a slight movement of the mag when you push on them. In the hierarchy of magazines, Tribb Cobra mags are greater than CMC Power Mags or Wilson 47D's. I've still got a lot to learn about 1911 malfunctions, but I'm going to say the extractor is most likely the culprit. Sounds like it could stand to be polished and beveled and slightly loosened. I had the same problem with my gun when first purchased and those adjustments stopped my issue. |
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Thanks for the replies. It's happened with both Ranger Ts and WWB FMJ, so I don't think it is ammo related. It also only happened twice out of a box of 100, so it's hard to replicate.
SGB: It looks similar to the Feedway Stoppage one except in my case the round chambers about 75% of the way and then becomes stuck. It chambered completely when I dropped the mag is why I thought it might be mag related. I can take it apart when I get home from work and take a look, but I'm still not even sure what I should look for? |
| When a round is loaded from the magazine into the chamber it's case rim slides under and into the grip of the extractor. If the extractor isn't radiused or is too tight and can keep the round from loading properly. If you don't know what you are doing, don't mess with any of it yet. You can look online for info on tuning your extractor, or you can take you gun to a reputable smith. |
I think your problem might be even simpler than an extractor or magazine. This past weekend I took my girlfriend to the range. She decided she wanted to shoot my Kimber Custom TLE. Well she would drop the slide, fire then ftf. Happened to her twice in a row. I tried it, and it ran fine. So I watched her close the next time, she was limp wristing it. I showed her how to move her grip a little higher and she shot fine the rest of the day. The reason I dont think its the magazine or the extractor is it did not happen often enough. Twice out of 100 could very well be human error. IMHO. Yes this is my first post. The cherry is popped. 
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That's a cool link from SGB. I've done a lot of 1911 shooting and haven't ever seen half those malfs (knock on wood).
My Warrior, when I first got it would do something similar. It would chamber a round about 75% of the way. A light tap on the rear of the slide would get everything back into battery and I was good to go. This only happened a couple of times in the first 200 - 300 rounds and then never again (which was the first range session). I guess it was just a break-in/wear-in issue. I've got almost 5k though the gun now and have never seen that issue again. So it could be a break-in thing. ETA: Just saw that this is a used gun. I would definitely replace the recoil spring as the above poster noted and then try again. I would start there first, try it and then look at other options. Don't try "fixing" a bunch of stuff at once. |
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That's a cool link from SGB. I've done a lot of 1911 shooting and haven't ever seen half those malfs (knock on wood). My Warrior, when I first got it would do something similar. It would chamber a round about 75% of the way. A light tap on the rear of the slide would get everything back into battery and I was good to go. This only happened a couple of times in the first 200 - 300 rounds and then never again (which was the first range session). I guess it was just a break-in/wear-in issue. I've got almost 5k though the gun now and have never seen that issue again. So it could be a break-in thing. ETA: Just saw that this is a used gun. I would definitely replace the recoil spring as the above poster noted and then try again. I would start there first, try it and then look at other options. Don't try "fixing" a bunch of stuff at once. The issue you described is exactly what mine does, but again mine is a used gun that's seen who knows how many rounds before I got it. I'll definitely look at replacing the recoil spring as I wanted to start with something small before messing with the everything known to man as that usually causes more problems than good. Quoted:
I think your problem might be even simpler than an extractor or magazine. This past weekend I took my girlfriend to the range. She decided she wanted to shoot my Kimber Custom TLE. Well she would drop the slide, fire then ftf. Happened to her twice in a row. I tried it, and it ran fine. So I watched her close the next time, she was limp wristing it. I showed her how to move her grip a little higher and she shot fine the rest of the day. The reason I dont think its the magazine or the extractor is it did not happen often enough. Twice out of 100 could very well be human error. IMHO. Yes this is my first post. The cherry is popped. I had actually considered that too because I'd been shooting a lot of rifle beforehand and my arms were pretty tired, so there is a good chance I was limp wristing the crap out of it. I'll pick up a new recoil spring and try that out as its probably not a bad idea even if I wasn't having problems since the gun has seen some significant use. Next time I shoot, I'll work on my grip some more and try to pay attention to what I'm doing. Thanks all for the help. |
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I'm late to this party.. sounds like your gtg.. if this is your carry ?? I'd suggest feeding HPs to make sure your ftf is gone.. HPs are a different story when feeding vs fmj. Nah its not a carry gun. I might try some more HPs with it later, but it's just a range shooter and I don't have that many .45 HPs left. As long as it works with FMJ, I'll be happy. |