Posted: 10/29/2009 7:15:20 AM EDT
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EDIT: THE FED EX ACCOUNT NUMBER DELETED BELOW WAS ORIGINALLY POSTED BY S&W SERVICE ON A PUBLIC FORUM...I POSTED A CUT-AND-PASTE COPY OF THEIR ENTIRE POST. THE ACCT. NUMBER HAS BEEN DELETED
Sigma was designed to simulate the feel of a double action revolver as a transition weapon for officers changing from a revolver to a pistol. A trigger pull of about 10 lbs is necessary for the weapon to function. However, if the trigger pull is excessively heavy or rough, those issues can be addressed. If you would like to send it in for repair: Put your name, address, phone number, and the issue(s) that you are having inside the case with the gun. Take it to a FedEx service center (not a FedEx Kinkos or a mom & pop place) or there are sometimes FedEx Express Drop boxes at US Post Offices. Go to FedEx.com to find your closest shipping location. Ask for a white medium express box, they will give it to you free of charge (don’t let them “sell” you a box). Smith & Wesson only pays for the shipping, not the shipping materials. Please include all magazines if there is a feeding, misfire, and or extraction issue. ü On the shipping label address it to the address below: ü Your Return Shipping Address: By Federal Law, we must return it to the address used on the shipping label. ü In section4a) mark the box second day air ü In section7) mark the box bill to recipient, on the line write this ACCOUNT NUMBER DELETED, and on the line total declared value write the cost of the gun ü In section mark the box direct signature required. We will repair it and send it back to you. Frank Smith LSG Manufacturing 10059 Hwy 1476 Comanche TX 76442 lsgmfg.com 325-885-2700 phone/fax Authorized Warranty Station for: Smith & Wesson , WALTHER, and Remington |
| This is by far the biggest POS ever sold to in the US. S&W pawned a bunch of these off to us LEO purchase in the early 90's. Three of us bought them, two of them had front sights fall off, not a single factory mag out of maybe 14 would feed the last two rounds. Fast forward to this year, gun was issued on a federal contract and GEE it looks different, but still this many years later has a bad trigger, and feels like a swingline stapler, only that would be unfair to the stapler industry as my stapler has never had this many FTF's. Nothing would make me want to buy one. The last good S&W's i owned were 640,686, and 66. You have to wonder about a company where you have to buy "custom shop" models to get a semi-auto that is reliable..... |
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What kind of trigger reduction/improvement are we talking about here? First they remove the slide, then they discard the frame. Next, they put a Glock 22 back in the box and mail it to you. It's a new technique they use to improve trigger pull, reliability and overall function. |
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I just pick mine up tonight. Maybe I'll ship it off for a trigger job as it is very heavy. My fellow Texan, please, please, please take it back for a refund. If you bought it at a sporting goods store at least get store credit and pick up a baseball bat or golf club. A sigma will only be good for inflicting blunt force trauma after it fails on you. Even the Taurus 24/7 Pro is better at about the same price......S&W got the federal contract to supply these to the Afghan security forces because they were the lowest bidder, not because they were any good. |
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What kind of trigger reduction/improvement are we talking about here? First they remove the slide, then they discard the frame. Next, they put a Glock 22 back in the box and mail it to you. It's a new technique they use to improve trigger pull, reliability and overall function. Shit, then I'm going to go out and buy every one I can find and send it in. A friend's father has a Sigma and I was wondering how well it can be reduced. He basically just bought it, because it was cheap and wanted something for the house before Obama was elected. |
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I just pick mine up tonight. Maybe I'll ship it off for a trigger job as it is very heavy. My fellow Texan, please, please, please take it back for a refund. If you bought it at a sporting goods store at least get store credit and pick up a baseball bat or golf club. A sigma will only be good for inflicting blunt force trauma after it fails on you. Even the Taurus 24/7 Pro is better at about the same price......S&W got the federal contract to supply these to the Afghan security forces because they were the lowest bidder, not because they were any good. It's been a while since you've used a S&W auto, huh? |
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Not sure what the SIGMA bashers think they're contributing to this thread, but I suppose they need to crow about something.
$250 truck gun w/lifetime warranty and a smooth, 10lb trigger If you have a problem with that, take it up with someone who gives a rat's ass. Cuz that sure ain't me. |
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I have had four Sigmas, none of those had issues of any kind.
All had heavy triggers but still servicable for SD or HD. Comparing ergos to a stapler is ridiculous. Grip shape is comfortable with recoil a little snappy in the 40. They certainly wouldn't be my first choice for bullseye competition but for home they'll do just fine. I think the satisfied customers outnumber the complainers or S&W wouldn't keep selling them. My .02. |
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Not sure what the SIGMA bashers think they're contributing to this thread, but I suppose they need to crow about something. $250 truck gun w/lifetime warranty and a smooth, 10lb trigger If you have a problem with that, take it up with someone who gives a rat's ass. Cuz that sure ain't me. I think that's a first. Someone using the phrase "smooth, 10lb trigger..." I'm bashing it because these are bottom of the barrel guns that S&W refuses to stop producing. The only reason they are still being made is the Federal contract. I feel sorry for the poor afghans (afghan defense forces are provided this weapon per US contract) that are actually being shot at and have to use this POS to defend their lives. I've owned and used different variations of this weapon on duty for years, initially by the mistake of purchasing one, later because it was issued and I didn't have a choice. This forum is about sharing experiences with other members, and helping them to make informed decisions. My opinion here is an informed one. The only firearm that i've had that performed worse than any of the sigmas i've fired was a first generation was a Taurus PT-101 (1st Gen.). A Davis P-380 I once had was more reliable than the Sigma. Someone seeking advice here would be better served by purchasing a good used Sig or Beretta, or maybe a new generation Taurus at about the same price as the Sigma. |
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I have had four Sigmas, none of those had issues of any kind. All had heavy triggers but still servicable for SD or HD. Comparing ergos to a stapler is ridiculous. Grip shape is comfortable with recoil a little snappy in the 40. They certainly wouldn't be my first choice for bullseye competition but for home they'll do just fine. I think the satisfied customers outnumber the complainers or S&W wouldn't keep selling them. My .02. I was referring to the overall flimsy feel of the gun and the trigger, not the "ergos." Have any of you that haven't pawned your sigma off yet noticed how the trigger pull seems to change as the weapon heats up? another example of the inferior materials used in this gun. |
| I'm not against "cheap" as long as it doesn't equal "unreliable," and I'm not a gun snob either. Heck, I still carry a Winchester 1300 Defender as a primary shotgun, and I think there are some people, primarily Rem 870 shooters who are snobbish when it comes to the 1300. I have carried my 1300 for 16 years, deployed it on the street and attended numerous combat shotgun, two-gun tactic classes, etc. with it without failure (and it cost me $190 new). My primary Sig was picked up for $389 new, so you can have reliable and cheap at the same time. I don't want anyone seeking advice here to come away with the impression that price should trump reliability. I consider my experience with the weapon "real-world" use. Not just range fun, and having it under the truck seat. I would want an even more reliable weapon if it were going to be exposed to the kind of contamination and temperature variations that takes place under a truck seat. You would be better off with a revolver, or a good used, reliable autopistol like one of those Sig surplus P6's that you didn't mind the finish getting messed up on. That's all I'm saying |
| Sigma really hurt smith and wesson in the handgun market for a long time. The fire control mechanism was poorly designed and the price made a lot of people choose them over glock and they were sadly dissapointed. I agree with the other post it is the biggest piece of junk smith ever sent to market. Friend of mine bought one at same time I bought a glock 17 after shooting my glock he never fired the sigma again. He is cheap and he thought he was getting a pistol as good as a glock for cheap. |