Posted: 8/29/2010 1:59:11 PM EDT
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I don't hate .40 S&W anymore. Also, why all the hate on DA/SA guns?
One of my ROTC buddies just bought a Sig P229R in .40 S&W. I made the exact same purchase 2 years ago when I bought my first gun. I traded it for a P226 9mm a month later because I thought the recoil was monstrous and the sight radius was too short. I traded my P226 a few months ago for a G21SF RTF, sold that, and bought an M&P9 with Apex kit because of the whole consistent trigger pull, short reset, and low bore axis thing. I fired my friend's P229R yesterday expecting some serious recoil, but it felt softer than an XD9. Even firing an entire mag in DA, I was getting rounds right into the bull's eye. Shooting double taps was of no concern either. It's funny what several thousand rounds down the pipe can do. I bashed .40 S&W for a long time because I thought it had excessive recoil. I also see a lot of hate on DA/SA guns because they are "slower" or "less accurate on the first shot." I think sometimes we get our heads wrapped too much around the latest wonder-gun and magical-caliber that we don't spend time just honing our skills. I think I spent too long searching for my wonder-gun when I would have been just fine with my Sig. I don't regret my trades, but at the end of the day, it's not the gun, it's the shooter. |
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I don't hate .40 S&W anymore. Also, why all the hate on DA/SA guns? One of my ROTC buddies just bought a Sig P229R in .40 S&W. I made the exact same purchase 2 years ago when I bought my first gun. I traded it for a P226 9mm a month later because I thought the recoil was monstrous and the sight radius was too short. I traded my P226 a few months ago for a G21SF RTF, sold that, and bought an M&P9 with Apex kit because of the whole consistent trigger pull, short reset, and low bore axis thing. I fired my friend's P229R yesterday expecting some serious recoil, but it felt softer than an XD9. Even firing an entire mag in DA, I was getting rounds right into the bull's eye. Shooting double taps was of no concern either. It's funny what several thousand rounds down the pipe can do. I bashed .40 S&W for a long time because I thought it had excessive recoil. I also see a lot of hate on DA/SA guns because they are "slower" or "less accurate on the first shot." I think sometimes we get our heads wrapped too much around the latest wonder-gun and magical-caliber that we don't spend time just honing our skills. I think I spent too long searching for my wonder-gun when I would have been just fine with my Sig. I don't regret my trades, but at the end of the day, it's not the gun, it's the shooter. have owned a number of 40S&W pistols aswell as 9mm and 45. a 40 in the same size platform as a 45 or 9mm has a sharper felt recoil to me. i dont "hate" the round, i just find it more prone to seating depth issues and to much recoil to give it any advantage FOR ME over the 45acp especially with newer designs allowing the 45acp to hold more rounds making the capacity issue less and less of a concern. Im sure there are platforms that handle the 40S&W very well and most people that have one or two handguns would never have a complaint but when you have gone through so many platforms and rounds you just tend to lean towards the ones that suit you best and for me thats the 9mm if i want a compact light gun and a 45acp for everything els ;] excluding revolvers of course The DA/SA thing, some people like them and some dont. the people that tend not to like them are those who dont get to practic a whole lot and just cant get used to them..which is fine, use what fits you best |
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Most people who train with defensive pistols prefer a gun with a trigger that doesn't change from shot to shot and I'm one of them. I do however, own quite a few DA/SA pistols and I've trained with them and carried them for years. The reason I switched away from them is that, under pressure they are a very difficult gun to perform properly with. I trained extensively and still, under a lot of pressure, I'd pull the DA shot off target and would do unintentional double taps. Not every time, but often enough that it concerned me. I also found myself looking at the gun all to often to positively determine the condition of the pistol. Also, DA/SA guns usually have a lot more controls on them than striker fired pistols like the Glock or M&P. You've got exposed hammers, safeties and decockers, and often the decocker is part of the safety. Under intense pressure that's a lot to keep track of. Switching to a striker fired gun (or DAO or SAO) simplifies your training and makes the gun easier to use properly under pressure. And as long as the slide isn't locked back you KNOW the condition of the gun, there's no need to look at it. And also, defensive shooting is not a bullseye contest. You don't want to hit the same place twice, or even close to it. You've got 3 important skills to master, Tactics, Gun Handling and Marksmanship. Many trainers believe that Marksmanship is the least important of the three. So to sum it up, under pressure, with your fine motor skills shot, your eyes in tunnel vision and your hearing toast, the DA/SA gun is easy to fuck up with. Can you master it with enough training? Maybe, but it's a lot harder. |
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I don't hate .40 S&W anymore. Also, why all the hate on DA/SA guns? *I* still have no use for .40 cal in anything. 
As for the TDA, I don't see the hate you describe. Some may promote the SA of a 1911 over a TDA, but I don't think I've seen more than one or two people actually hate them. I would put my ability on a first shot with my 92FS up against about anyone else in a first shot only contest. All it takes it more than a day's worth of practice of dry firing to learn how to shoot the darn things, IMO. My .o2 |
| Experience/trigger time is invaluable. In the world of the .40, the P229 is really pretty tame in regards to recoil. I have a P229R DAK (with all 3 barrels) and don't notice much difference between the 9mm and .40 S&W. I did have the opportunity to shoot a friends Glock 27 after running 100 rds through the Sig, and did indeed notice a big difference. I guess the Sig has spoiled me. |