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1/5/2016 11:27:32 AM EDT
Well before I would draw thumb covered or whatever the other type is and it caused me to accidentally hit the magazine release once while firing so I went to change it. Now it is becoming natural to draw my pistol thumbs forward and accuracy and everything seems to be better. However my rear thumb sits on the slide stop which is causing both my carries to not lock back on the last round. Not having the thumb on the slide stop doesn't seem to work well for me.
1/5/2016 12:44:57 PM EDT
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Guessing right handed.
Used to do the same, get your left hand higher or roll it forward more so your strong hand thumb is pushed up by the heel of your support hand and the slide stop sits in the gap created. Also don't hold the gun with your thumbs at least not tight, and especially not the strong hand thumb as it will likely be up beside the slide.
Start slow and deliberate, repeat until it's natural.
1/5/2016 1:30:39 PM EDT
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what gun?
1/5/2016 2:22:36 PM EDT
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Glock 43 and P320
1/5/2016 2:34:45 PM EDT
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It happens with an M9 to a lot of people too, including me.  Personally I changed to right thumb low with the left thumb locked over it (which I think is technically called thumb over thumb but some people call high thumbs, thumb over thumb) with all of my pistols because I shoot revolvers more and you almost have to with them for fear of not blowing your thumb tip off.  And it gives you a bit more leverage with the DA trigger.  For a GI type 1911 it ensures the grip safety is depressed more positively.  And like you're experiencing, it allows you to not ride the slide stop on many types of pistols.  

I know it doesn't let the pistol to sit in your hands as low as high thumbs, but I don't really care.  I don't feel like felt recoil or control is that much worse.  I'm sure it is a bit, but the benefits of thumb over thumb outweigh that for me.  Plus high thumbs always feels super awkward to me.   Heck, Glock even has that place for your right thumb to sit low.  And some other guns too.  

But all the true operators use high thumbs.  Well at least according to conventional arfcom wisdom.  And many others too.
1/5/2016 2:42:32 PM EDT
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I'm an old guy.

I shoot "thumb over."

I tried thumbs forward, and I didn't like it.

I will continue shooting thumb over, no matter who says its unpopular.

I guess if you have really big hands, the issue of hitting the mag-catch with thumb-over is something to think about.

1/5/2016 2:50:41 PM EDT
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I have the same issue with most handguns especially Glock and my Walther PPS.  I had to train myself to rest my right thumb on my metacarpal instead of the pistol.
1/5/2016 3:11:45 PM EDT
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What is the harm of it? Only problem I've had is pulling the trigger when there's no round and not knowing if the magazine is empty or its a bad primer. I guess that is an issue when you think of it... lol
1/5/2016 5:48:24 PM EDT
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Rest your strong hand thumb along the top of your weak hand slightly out away from the gun.
1/5/2016 6:44:02 PM EDT
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Like my right thumb (I'm right handed) along the outside top of my left thumb (well the first joint in my thumb)? That doesn't feel bad but I don't feel I have as secure a grip on the gun.
1/5/2016 6:49:38 PM EDT
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Like my right thumb (I'm right handed) along the outside top of my left thumb (well the first joint in my thumb)? That doesn't feel bad but I don't feel I have as secure a grip on the gun.
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Like my right thumb (I'm right handed) along the outside top of my left thumb (well the first joint in my thumb)? That doesn't feel bad but I don't feel I have as secure a grip on the gun.

Yep. Bob Vogel has a good video about grip on YouTube. Your thumbs don't really do much.
1/5/2016 8:17:31 PM EDT
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From 2:00-2:30 or so.





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1/5/2016 8:39:32 PM EDT
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Nice, thanks for the tips and video. I'm glad I made this thread. Now to get back to the range!
1/5/2016 11:16:58 PM EDT
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This.
1/5/2016 11:18:30 PM EDT
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It will seem weird at first because it is new, but give it time and it will pay off.
1/5/2016 11:29:28 PM EDT
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Put a piece of body tape (athletic tape, medical tape, whatever) on a spot on your weak hand thumb, so that when you place your strong hand thumb on top of it, you're not touching the slide. Now draw and dry-fire a whole bunch, making sure you're touching the tape each time. Do that a few times a day for two weeks or so until your problem goes away.
1/14/2016 8:02:57 PM EDT
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I noticed he didn't have any finger grooves on that 19, I guess it is.
1/15/2016 2:16:28 PM EDT
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I noticed he didn't have any finger grooves on that 19, I guess it is.
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I noticed he didn't have any finger grooves on that 19, I guess it is.

It's a 2nd gen G19.  No light rail either.
1/15/2016 2:19:35 PM EDT
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And wasn't the barrel in the white?  Maybe he shot out the original.

A different one....  LOL.

1/15/2016 2:48:39 PM EDT
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That's an aftermarket stainless steel barrel.  I couldn't tell which brand, but it doesn't look like my KKM or Storm Lake barrels.
1/15/2016 3:42:27 PM EDT
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And wasn't the barrel in the white?  Maybe he shot out the original.



A different one....  LOL.



http://images1.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp93232%3Euqcshlukaxroqdfv3%3B584%3Enu%3D3235%3E392%3E252%3EWSNRCG%3D37849687%3B7339nu0mrj
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This doesn't actually look that bad. In prone the best way is usually to drop the grip right down to the ground, but for some people they can't see the sights well or align them properly. This keeps your body and the gun low and in contact with the ground, but brings the sights up higher.

 
1/15/2016 5:00:39 PM EDT
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And wasn't the barrel in the white?  Maybe he shot out the original.

A different one....  LOL.

http://images1.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp93232%3Euqcshlukaxroqdfv3%3B584%3Enu%3D3235%3E392%3E252%3EWSNRCG%3D37849687%3B7339nu0mrj
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He buys match barrels, I remember him saying he shot out his G17 barrel. I think he retired that barrel a little after 200k rounds.

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1/15/2016 7:36:28 PM EDT
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This doesn't actually look that bad. In prone the best way is usually to drop the grip right down to the ground, but for some people they can't see the sights well or align them properly. This keeps your body and the gun low and in contact with the ground, but brings the sights up higher.  
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And wasn't the barrel in the white?  Maybe he shot out the original.

A different one....  LOL.

http://images1.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp93232%3Euqcshlukaxroqdfv3%3B584%3Enu%3D3235%3E392%3E252%3EWSNRCG%3D37849687%3B7339nu0mrj
This doesn't actually look that bad. In prone the best way is usually to drop the grip right down to the ground, but for some people they can't see the sights well or align them properly. This keeps your body and the gun low and in contact with the ground, but brings the sights up higher.  


Yeah, I think it's a cool way to do it.  

I wouldn't doubt about him shooting out a barrel.