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3/22/2007 4:45:24 AM EDT
Anyone konw where to get them, or who makes them still?
3/22/2007 5:01:28 AM EDT
[#1]
Colt
3/22/2007 5:52:40 AM EDT
[#2]
Most of the big name mass-manufacturers and all of the semi customs use a forged frame. Mil spec? Virtually all of them are made in the image of the M1911/M1911A1, although some are inadvertently built out of spec.
3/22/2007 1:17:57 PM EDT
[#3]
Guess I should have added I am looking for just a frame for a build and all i can find are investment cast or machined frames, thanks.
3/22/2007 2:22:05 PM EDT
[#4]
RRA and Les Baer sell forged frames.
3/22/2007 2:57:29 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
RRA and Les Baer sell forged frames.


Unfortunatly those fall under the machined catagory (i.e. cut for beavertail, checkerd, etc.). Does nobody make and sell a standard G.I. type frame anymore?
3/22/2007 3:22:30 PM EDT
[#6]
you can order those any way you like, with no checkering etc. Or are you wanting an 80% frame? I'm not really clear what you are asking for. Those are not fit for a beavertail, you have to that yourself if you want it. You can fit a GI grip safety, in fact RRA makes completed guns with the GI safety.
Are you looking for a 1911 frame (vs 1911A1?) if, so Caspian makes them, but they are cast.
3/23/2007 4:59:09 AM EDT
[#7]
1911A1 identical to say a early pre 70 series Colt, Remington-Rand, Ithaca, Union Switch and Signal, Singer Sewing Machine Co.
This is what I am trying to build. I have a number of USGI parts and need a frame.

3/23/2007 6:14:11 AM EDT
[#8]
Pretty.
3/23/2007 8:14:43 AM EDT
[#9]
Okay, any frame can take a GI safety, and I know the RRAs can be ordered with no checkering, not sure about the Les Baer. Those may be your best bet.

Consider though, that even though Caspians are cast MANY full custom shops use their frames. This is one case where cast shouldn't scare you off. Nighthawk also uses their frames.
3/24/2007 9:38:49 AM EDT
[#10]
There's nothing wrong with the cast Caspian frames.
3/24/2007 11:18:58 PM EDT
[#11]
Are the kahr arms/auto ordnance frames cast?

edit: never mind, they are cast.
3/25/2007 12:40:18 AM EDT
[#12]
Guess I will just buy a Springfield GI type and replace all the crap parts.
3/25/2007 8:10:34 AM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:
Guess I will just buy a Springfield GI type and replace all the crap parts.


This is a good idea, maybe the easiest and fastest way but I am curious why a RRA with no checkering wouldn't fit your needs.
3/25/2007 8:33:00 AM EDT
[#14]
From what I read, saw the RRA's are all cut for a beavertail and have the area under the trigger guard machined. While they may be excellent frames, that extra machining makes them non-milspec by the guidelines used to manufacture the M1911a1.

Also the caspian frame would be superb for my needs if it was forged instead of cast.
3/25/2007 8:40:08 AM EDT
[#15]
What do you need that the Caspian frame can't provide? They aren't exactly famous for breaking...
3/25/2007 9:07:34 AM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
From what I read, saw the RRA's are all cut for a beavertail and have the area under the trigger guard machined. While they may be excellent frames, that extra machining makes them non-milspec by the guidelines used to manufacture the M1911a1.

Also the caspian frame would be superb for my needs if it was forged instead of cast.


Just letting you know, since it doesn't matter either way to me that the RRA can be ordered with no checkering under the trigger guard, and again if you order a bare frame, YOU as the end user would have to fit a beavertail, they do not do that unless you ask them too as you have actually fit that particular beavertal to the frame- it's not just a generic beavertail cut. Plus, RRA sells MANY pistols that have just a standard gi safety.
Follow the link to see what I mean...
RRA LINK
3/25/2007 9:17:43 AM EDT
[#17]
DoubleAron,
The picture I posted above is of a 1944 Remington-Rand. I am what you would call a traditionalist, while cast may work well it will never equal forged/milled in strength or durability. Plus, I am willing to pay what a forged frame is worth if I could find one that meets the same criteria as a GI 1911a1 frame, and thus preserve the collector value of a origional.
3/25/2007 9:37:56 AM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:
Just letting you know, since it doesn't matter either way to me that the RRA can be ordered with no checkering under the trigger guard, and again if you order a bare frame, YOU as the end user would have to fit a beavertail, they do not do that unless you ask them too as you have actually fit that particular beavertal to the frame- it's not just a generic beavertail cut. Plus, RRA sells MANY pistols that have just a standard gi safety.


I appreciate your help btw, also look at the trigger guard around the mag catch on the pic of the remington-rand I posted above, then look at the one of the RRA in the link you posted.  That are on the USGI pistol is slightly bulged, but it has been milled flat on the RRA, the difference is subtle but present. Are all the RRA's like that or can that be skipped?
3/25/2007 9:43:19 AM EDT
[#19]
You mean the curve under the trigger guard that is absent on the RRA? That I don't know about, but would suspect they all are like that....


I was just curious, the Springfield would probably be the fastest way to go as RRA orders take awhile....
3/25/2007 10:45:45 AM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:
DoubleAron,
The picture I posted above is of a 1944 Remington-Rand. I am what you would call a traditionalist, while cast may work well it will never equal forged/milled in strength or durability. Plus, I am willing to pay what a forged frame is worth if I could find one that meets the same criteria as a GI 1911a1 frame, and thus preserve the collector value of a origional.


Once you replace the frame on the original, won't you ruin the collector value?
3/25/2007 10:57:28 AM EDT
[#21]
I'm not replacing the frame on a original. I'm building a new one for a shooter using the extra parts I have accumulated over the years. The parts are excellent or new in wrap, all I need is a Mil-spec frame to complete it.
3/25/2007 11:35:41 AM EDT
[#22]
If you can get over your phobia about cast frames, then this would work just fine:



It's a 1911, not a 1911A1 style frame.
3/25/2007 12:41:20 PM EDT
[#23]
It's not a phobia, I have a RIA and its all cast. I just want to use my milled parts on a milled frame thats all.
3/25/2007 6:05:41 PM EDT
[#24]
Why don't you call RRA and ask?
3/25/2007 6:29:23 PM EDT
[#25]

Quoted:
Guess I will just buy a Springfield GI type and replace all the crap parts.


I'm just about to purchase Springfield GI for the nostalgia look. Which are crappy parts that you mention?

3/25/2007 7:08:07 PM EDT
[#26]

Quoted:
I'm just about to purchase Springfield GI for the nostalgia look. Which are crappy parts that you mention?


The firing pin stop, extractor, ejector, hammer, sear, disconnector, thumb safety, grip safety, mag release, and slide stop pretty much sums it up. Of course I will be replacing more then just those on mine.

3/25/2007 7:09:42 PM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:
Why don't you call RRA and ask?


I will later on just to make sure.
3/26/2007 4:33:42 AM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:

The firing pin stop, extractor, ejector, hammer, sear, disconnector, thumb safety, grip safety, mag release, and slide stop pretty much sums it up. Of course I will be replacing more then just those on mine.



Thanks for the info.  Which parts are you replacing them with.  All of Wilson/Ed Brown parts are either blued or stainless, I'd like to stick with parkerised parts to maintain the look.  
I guess I could always parkerise them.

3/26/2007 9:36:24 AM EDT
[#29]

Quoted:
Which parts are you replacing them with.  


USGI