Posted: 5/19/2009 4:31:57 PM EDT
| Would you hunt with it? Would you use it for self defense? I would think it would create a good hemoraging area. What are your thoughts and experience? |
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Would you hunt with it? No. Perhaps to dispatch a close range varmint. They're generally inaccurate Would you use it for self defense? I can't think of one scenario they'd be useful for.. I would think it would create a good hemoraging area. If the bullet works as designed, probably. [but very shallow] What are your thoughts and experience? Overpriced, over-rated, under-performing, marketing 101 snake oil I want a bullet with enough penetration to take-out a vital organ or CNS from any angle; including through arms and heavy winter clothing. [some of the gun magazine ads are quite entertaining though  ] |
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Would you hunt with it? No. Perhaps to dispatch a close range varmint. They're generally inaccurate
Would you use it for self defense? I can't think of one scenario they'd be useful for.. I would think it would create a good hemoraging area. If the bullet works as designed, probably. [but very shallow] What are your thoughts and experience? Overpriced, over-rated, under-performing, marketing 101 snake oil I want a bullet with enough penetration to take-out a vital organ or CNS from any angle; including through arms and heavy winter clothing. [some of the gun magazine ads are quite entertaining though ]Thanks! The main reason I asked is I can find some frangible ammo nothing else! Im a practical guy, and if I cant use this ammo for anything but target practice, I dont want it! If I cant shoot a squirrel or a deer or home defense, keep it! I save my money for when this ammo shortage because a ammo surplus and ammo is on sale! 
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. you'll be suprised at how fun they really are at 7 yards.
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Think of all the bloodshot meat that would result from the use of a shallow penetrating frangible bullet! They're not accurate enough even to make close range head shots on a deer; and you'd have to be either very brave or crazy to go after hogs with a frangible - LoL The Extreme Shock magazine ads showing a 450lb boar taken with one shot from a .32 ACP is kinda amusing. |
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Hmmm.
I took a class for my CCW from a sniper just back from Iraq. He is involved with training medics on pigs / boars / or whatever pork they use. Basically, they anesthetize the pigs, shoot them, then try to save them. He spoke highly of the frangible ammo and that it increased the odds of hitting a main artery by creating multiple bullet channels. He told us that some shots to the pigs are lethal when you would never expect them to be and under no fault of the medics. |
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Quoted: Hmmm. I took a class for my CCW from a sniper just back from Iraq. He is involved with training medics on pigs / boars / or whatever pork they use. Basically, they anesthetize the pigs, shoot them, then try to save them. He spoke highly of the frangible ammo and that it increased the odds of hitting a main artery by creating multiple bullet channels. He told us that some shots to the pigs are lethal when you would never expect them to be and under no fault of the medics. Your sniper instructor has quite an imagination. |
| Hello, I'm a new member; just joined today, & this is my first post. I think that I would believe the report of an honorable soldier-at-arms who has actual experience with frangible ammunition, versus.... I also happen to have known an individual with equally impressive real-life experiences who described some very specific tactical applications for which frangibles were an ideal choice of ammunition. In addition, it is my understanding that air-marshals use frangiblebullets. With regards to being expensive, I'm pretty current on ammunition prices and frangibles are some of the cheapest rounds I can find. Good to be here, this is a huge forum!––Patrice |
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In addition, it is my understanding that air-marshals use frangiblebullets. Interesting, I didn't know that. But, I'm guessing that their use of frangible bullets has less to do with the wound-creating capabilities and more to do with their decreased likelihood of blasting through the fuselage. :) |
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In addition, it is my understanding that air-marshals use frangiblebullets. Interesting, I didn't know that. But, I'm guessing that their use of frangible bullets has less to do with the wound-creating capabilities and more to do with their decreased likelihood of blasting through the fuselage. :) Limited penetration rather than ideal terminal performance is indeed their primary consideration when making their ammunition selection. |
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Guys, frangible doesnt always or even usually equal extreme shok, Glaser, magsafe. It usually means lead free training ammo designed for eviromental reasons or range safety.
To the OP can you refer to which specific frangible load you are interested in? You'll get more accurate feedback. |
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Are you talking about ammo like this?
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=548383 This is designed for close range practice on steel targets, highly accurate. Not defensive ammo. |
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Careful with it. I purchased 1k rounds of Speer RHT about 5 years ago. I got a good deal on it due to the fact that the ammo had been dropped. I bought it anyway since $45 for 1k primed cases is fine if the loaded stuff didn't work.
The projectiles would break off at the case mouth during the feeding cycle. Not cool but now I have some virgin nickle brass to load up. |
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First post. As far as i know FAM's use Gold Dots.
Anyway I have an old useless fridge in my barn, thought I'd shoot some 100gr Speer 357sig frangibles at it for effect. Apparently they ain't as frangible as one might think. G32 @ 15 ft. Purely un-scientific. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/greyeyezz/P1020531.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/greyeyezz/P1020533.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/greyeyezz/P1020536.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/greyeyezz/P1020538.jpg |
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Hmmm. I took a class for my CCW from a sniper just back from Iraq. He is involved with training medics on pigs / boars / or whatever pork they use. Basically, they anesthetize the pigs, shoot them, then try to save them. He spoke highly of the frangible ammo and that it increased the odds of hitting a main artery by creating multiple bullet channels. He told us that some shots to the pigs are lethal when you would never expect them to be and under no fault of the medics. Your sniper instructor has quite an imagination. What part seems to be fiction? I'm a member of I MEF... I MHG's 1st ANGLICO has live tissue training where they do that very thing. Or are you doubting the wound channels? |
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First post. As far as i know FAM's use Gold Dots. Anyway I have an old useless fridge in my barn, thought I'd shoot some 100gr Speer 357sig frangibles at it for effect. Apparently they ain't as frangible as one might think. G32 @ 15 ft. Purely un-scientific. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/greyeyezz/P1020531.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/greyeyezz/P1020533.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/greyeyezz/P1020536.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/greyeyezz/P1020538.jpg yea, frangible is only going to disintegrate against steel targets. that aluminum fridge stands no chance, neither will a wooden door. my bud is a seminole county sheriff and he told me when they were shooting frangible 223, it went right through a car door, and out the other end. then again, that was a rifle, not a handgun. |
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In addition, it is my understanding that air-marshals use frangiblebullets. You would understand wrong. They use plain old copper jacketed lead bullets. There is no reason on a modern airliner to worry about putting tiny hole from bullets in the fuselage, they already leak like crazy anyway. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Hmmm. I took a class for my CCW from a sniper just back from Iraq. He is involved with training medics on pigs / boars / or whatever pork they use. Basically, they anesthetize the pigs, shoot them, then try to save them. He spoke highly of the frangible ammo and that it increased the odds of hitting a main artery by creating multiple bullet channels. He told us that some shots to the pigs are lethal when you would never expect them to be and under no fault of the medics. Your sniper instructor has quite an imagination. What part seems to be fiction? I'm a member of I MEF... I MHG's 1st ANGLICO has live tissue training where they do that very thing. Or are you doubting the wound channels? Just because i've never personally heard of it, doesn't necessarily mean it never happened [or happens].. It sounds [to me] like something made up, and internet-fictitious. I still don't believe it. Let's not hijack this thread over it  |
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Hmmm. I took a class for my CCW from a sniper just back from Iraq. He is involved with training medics on pigs / boars / or whatever pork they use. Basically, they anesthetize the pigs, shoot them, then try to save them. He spoke highly of the frangible ammo and that it increased the odds of hitting a main artery by creating multiple bullet channels. He told us that some shots to the pigs are lethal when you would never expect them to be and under no fault of the medics. Your sniper instructor has quite an imagination. What part seems to be fiction? I'm a member of I MEF... I MHG's 1st ANGLICO has live tissue training where they do that very thing. Or are you doubting the wound channels? Just because i've never personally heard of it, doesn't necessarily mean it never happened [or happens].. It sounds [to me] like something made up, and internet-fictitious. I still don't believe it. Let's not hijack this thread over it
No hijack, I just had to address... I also have a problem with feeling like I have to get the last word. You said "your sniper instructor has quite an imagination". Not "I never heard that" or "I don't believe that". And whether the dude was actually involved in the process or not, it happens, I've seen it with my own eyes. You are free to believe what you want, I'm not going to argue Kantian existentialism with you, I perceived it, I accepted it, you can accept or deny my words, and everyone is free to make their own decisions based on their perception of reality. |