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6/13/2017 10:52:16 PM EDT
Hi folks, I've been following the P320, and I wonder if/hope that Sig has possible future plans to have something like a model code builder where a person could spec out their own P320 out of modular components.

I work in industrial instrumentation and I'm imagining something similar to how we sell product.

The 320 product line is extensive, and Sig is to be applauded, but I wonder.

For example, let's say I wanted an X FCU with thumb safeties, X-Carry grip, and Tac-Ops full side slide without a red dot cut

I'm sure that Sig will have to fill .gov orders and build inventory first, but I think it would be a cool way for them to stand out while simultaneously emphasizing the modular nature of the gun.
6/14/2017 8:48:07 AM EDT
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Smith and Wesson tried this with their 3rd generation semi-autos in the 90's.  It seemed to cause more confusion than anything else.  I'm not sure it would catch on now as most people atre not that into guns-they take what the companies offer and don't put a lot of thought into making the gun better or different.
6/14/2017 11:45:16 AM EDT
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Yes, there's no doubt that a "model builder" scheme would not be for everyone.

Sig does already have a nice model lineup, I wonder what type of inventory, inventory control, and demand signal they would need for what I'm describing.
6/14/2017 12:03:45 PM EDT
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http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_49/478922_80--FCG-in-the-works.html

You'll buy or make the receiver, then buy all the parts.
6/14/2017 12:17:48 PM EDT
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I suggested this right before it came out of production as a sort of "custom shop" product.

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Smith and Wesson tried this with their 3rd generation semi-autos in the 90's.  It seemed to cause more confusion than anything else.  I'm not sure it would catch on now as most people atre not that into guns-they take what the companies offer and don't put a lot of thought into making the gun better or different.
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They had about a thousand production models that shared design but limited parts. The P320 could be ordered as a "custom" model direct from SIG, not a stocking item.

Wouldn't be too difficult honestly.
6/14/2017 4:42:04 PM EDT
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Wouldn't be too difficult honestly.
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Yes and no. Yes the ability to do it would be there but no it wouldn't be profitable. You could potentially have thousands of orders of "one offs" to make individually. The labor rate to have employees assemble and test every configuration would be absurd.

Doing them in batches wouldn't be realistic since that would increase delays to unknown timelines.

as much as an a la carte option would be nice I doubt Sig would want to venture into that territory. They would sooner rather you buy a factory gun then buy each part to make it your own. Helps their profit margins too. 
6/14/2017 5:24:58 PM EDT
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That would be cool.

X-Carry with a threaded barrel, suppressor sights and the extended mags that come with the Tacops.
6/14/2017 11:22:23 PM EDT
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Profitability is key.

My hope would be that the different modules (FCU, grip, slides) are all manufactured separately, and in the relative quantities expected.

I don't understand a requirement to test each possible combination as the guns have been designed from the beginning for modularity, but my understanding may be lacking.

An esoteric but plausible combination would entail a longer lead time, and that is the way things work in my industry.

I have a Roland Special, and so now I have what seems like half a gun in spare parts, and I like the idea of not having to do that. Honestly, being able to source X-Carry, V-Tac, and X-5 grips from the factory would get me an 80% solution.

I just wonder if modern manufacturing and inventory control would make this plausible.
6/14/2017 11:51:40 PM EDT
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1. Profitability is key.

2. I don't understand a requirement to test each possible combination as the guns have been designed from the beginning for modularity, but my understanding may be lacking.

3. An esoteric but plausible combination would entail a longer lead time, and that is the way things work in my industry.

4. I just wonder if modern manufacturing and inventory control would make this plausible.
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Now that I have some time to actually type. 

1. yup if it's not profitable they will pull the plug. 

2. QC standards, legal department and lawyers. Because of all 3 they will have to test everything that leaves their doors. Adds to cost drastically since they will have to test each one individually rather than as a large batch (prevents order screw ups, most custom shops work this way)

3. gun ppl are not patient and they will want it cheaper. The "custom" aspect of this will incur an added cost and surcharge to the cost of the gun. While botique builders for Glocks do exist they hardly deal in any large sort of volume and they come at a cost. 

4. Yeah they could....see 1-3 again. 
6/16/2017 4:07:21 PM EDT
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I suggested this right before it came out of production as a sort of "custom shop" product.


They had about a thousand production models that shared design but limited parts. The P320 could be ordered as a "custom" model direct from SIG, not a stocking item.

Wouldn't be too difficult honestly.
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It should be very simple.  Just plug and play.  It isn't like certain parts would have to be hand fit or something.

If SIG doesn't do this because they are busy with other things or because it isn't worth the time I think someone should open a cottage industry "special order" shop.  Buy a number of 320's in various sizes and calibers and then sell them in custom configurations or with the specified grip size, etc.