G19 in the SF communities. (Page 5 of 45)
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Originally Posted By Screechjet1: If I was a betting man, I'd guess the Navy will roll with M9s until the Sun supernovas, or the aviators whine they need G19s because they saw a long tabber carrying one, which ever comes first. For most Navy pogues, we'll have whatever M9s stay in the system for a long, long time. IDK how long it will take. But it's going to happen, even the USCG is confirmed for transition. |
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Originally Posted By right_rudder:
To re ask a question from above, any groups using or plan to use the 19X? seems the 19X would be the perfect gun for SOCOM, even in a world of Sig. |
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Originally Posted By Make_Mine_Moxie:
I have never handled or shot a 19X, so all I know about them is what I have read online. What aspects of the 19X would make it perfect for SOCOM, above the current handgun choices SOCOM users have? Originally Posted By Make_Mine_Moxie:
Originally Posted By right_rudder:
To re ask a question from above, any groups using or plan to use the 19X? seems the 19X would be the perfect gun for SOCOM, even in a world of Sig. ~Augee |
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Originally Posted By Stukas87:
A lot of incorrect information on this thread. to back up what Augee mentioned, the only reason SF got the Glock 19 and I mean only reason.. was to fulfill a requirements for a concealed pistol.. that is the reason why they do not have the G17. The Army said SF already had a full size pistol the M9. I'm sure they'd appreciate if Glock would make them a grippier frame than the standard Gen 3, but it's Glock. I thought I read a while back that USMC was going to be buying Gen 5 / 19Ms? Curious if any of those are in the wild. |
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Originally Posted By Gamma762:
Saying they needed a more concealable pistol is just the rationale they came up with to get what they wanted. Gaming the system. I'm sure they'd appreciate if Glock would make them a grippier frame than the standard Gen 3, but it's Glock. I thought I read a while back that USMC was going to be buying Gen 5 / 19Ms? Curious if any of those are in the wild. I know for a fact that there are both guys who really do think that G19s are the magical Goldilocks size, and would pick it over all others, just like there are guys who would much rather have a 17 than the 19, but would rather have the 19 than the M9, so 19 it is. I also know there are guys that have other ways to justify things (or other people to justify them to), and have 17s, 22s, 34s, 35s, etc., etc. The Marines did announce late last year that they were adopting the 19M as, wait for it... the "M007," you know... for their secret agents1, but they also announced earlier this year that they were jumping on the XM17/18 MHS train, and that "The Modular Handgun System will be purchased to replace the legacy M9, M9A1, M45A1, and M007 pistols with a more affordable and efficient pistol for maintenance"2. ~Augee 1No shit, that's what MARSYSCOM said. 2The Marine Corps is making room in its budget to buy thousands of the US Army's new handgun |
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Originally Posted By TNVC_Augee:
I too am interested in your reasoning for saying the 19X specifically would be "the perfect gun for SOCOM." ~Augee Originally Posted By TNVC_Augee:
Originally Posted By Make_Mine_Moxie:
Originally Posted By right_rudder:
To re ask a question from above, any groups using or plan to use the 19X? seems the 19X would be the perfect gun for SOCOM, even in a world of Sig. ~Augee |
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Originally Posted By right_rudder:
Maybe perfect was to strong a word but what I meant was the 19X already has steel night sights and marine sling cups, etc from the factory and as I understand it these are things that are being added to the guns anyway. CD |
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Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
All 5 services are transitioning to the M17 /M18 over the next few years. IDK how long it will take. But it's going to happen, even the USCG is confirmed for transition. |
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Having some fun this morning on a non standard SOCOM Glock. Still need to work the bugs out.
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Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
All 5 services are transitioning to the M17 /M18 over the next few years. IDK how long it will take. But it's going to happen, even the USCG is confirmed for transition. S/F Al |
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I never bought a g19 and really liked the g17 longer grip. Something about the g19 feels too small as a service pistol but too big to be a conceal carry, at least for me.
That was until the g19x came out and I bought one immediately. Really like the g19 slide and the g17 grip. That and my g17 mags can still be used. If I was in the SF though and had the option I would go with the g19 only because I wouldn’t anticipate ever using it and wouldn’t want to lug around a huge pistol when I could be carrying more rifle mags which would likely be used. |
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Originally Posted By CATM-Al: I'll bet my career that I won't see this pistol before retirement from the Air Force. Our OSI folks are still issued the M11 but carry whatever 9mm they can get their command to approve (commonly see G26 and G19). The Air Force is an entirely different animal from the Army when it comes to weapon systems. S/F Al |
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Originally Posted By Sheepdog324: Air Guard is getting the first M18s in Q3 / Q4 of this year. S/F Al |
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Originally Posted By CATM-Al:
Air Guard is State funded same as Nat'l Guard. Big Air Force has not mentioned anything. If it were to happen or planned any time soon, Combat Arms would be notified of the change first because of training, qualification, and arming requirements per applicable AFI's. No pubs as of yet that I have seen but I work Flight now not Combat Arms full-time, so I'd have to talk to our CA Program Sup. for clarification. S/F Al Originally Posted By CATM-Al:
Originally Posted By Sheepdog324: Air Guard is getting the first M18s in Q3 / Q4 of this year. Air Guard is State funded same as Nat'l Guard. Big Air Force has not mentioned anything. If it were to happen or planned any time soon, Combat Arms would be notified of the change first because of training, qualification, and arming requirements per applicable AFI's. No pubs as of yet that I have seen but I work Flight now not Combat Arms full-time, so I'd have to talk to our CA Program Sup. for clarification. S/F Al |
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Originally Posted By CATM-Al:
Air Guard is State funded same as Nat'l Guard. Big Air Force has not mentioned anything. If it were to happen or planned any time soon, Combat Arms would be notified of the change first because of training, qualification, and arming requirements per applicable AFI's. No pubs as of yet that I have seen but I work Flight now not Combat Arms full-time, so I'd have to talk to our CA Program Sup. for clarification. S/F Al Originally Posted By CATM-Al:
Originally Posted By Sheepdog324: Air Guard is getting the first M18s in Q3 / Q4 of this year. S/F Al |
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Originally Posted By Sheepdog324: Sorta. Should have clarified, it's not the State Guard, but Air National Guard. Some funds are from the state but the big purchase stuff like that comes via National Guard Burea and Federal funding. CATM was notified of the change at the last S4 Teleconference that the Installation and Mission Support Center guys put out. I know a fair number of Security Forces units have already sent their guys to armorers courses. As to the pubs stuff, look how the uniform thing is going, they "surprised" us with a new uniform at the beginning of this month that we all knew they were going to for the last year and they still don't have a 36-2903 rewrite to say how to wear it and we're supposed to be set by 1 October. S/F Al |
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Originally Posted By dalle0001:
If I was in the SF though and had the option I would go with the g19 only because I wouldn’t anticipate ever using it and wouldn’t want to lug around a huge pistol when I could be carrying more rifle mags which would likely be used. |
Some older pictures of my G19 and Remington Rand M1911A1 I was issued in Afghanistan in 14' (note not all M1911'a that CMP are going to get are rusted rattle traps  )
Attached File (Yes, I got a grip screw after the picture) Attached File G19 on hip with Mk18 Mod 0 between my knees. Attached File Couple SF brothers working on Mk44 miniguns same time period and location. Attached File Attached File CD |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon:
Have you seen any glocks that have had there frame stippled? Might just be the photo, but it looks like the one you carried has a slight undercut on the trigger guard. CD |
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Originally Posted By M408:
CD, have you seen any issued Glocks with extended slide release levers? Which leads me to my next question, is the SOCOM manual of arms to slingshot the slide for reloads or to hit the slide release lever? CD |
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Originally Posted By M408:
Thank you for the quick and detailed response. Does the same apply for the magazine release button? CD |
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Originally Posted By NTXGlocker:
Agree. When I looked up the DOD class; I do not find it. In handgun ammo I do find: .22 .32 .38 9mm .357 .45 ^^^The above in all flavors as well. I did not find anything listed in .40 caliber. However, just because it's not on DOD's publicized ammo list in no way means it's NOT there or that the military does not use .40.
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Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
All 5 services are transitioning to the M17 /M18 over the next few years. IDK how long it will take. But it's going to happen, even the USCG is confirmed for transition. Guns are provided under different programs G19 meets a requirement written out by SOCOM. |
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Originally Posted By 3ACR_Scout:
For all the red dot fans out there: Trijicon Awarded $7.6 Mil for USSOCOM Miniature Aiming System – Day Optics Program Personally If I were still in, I would not run a RMR on my Glock. Id run it 45degree offset on rifle, or on top of Elcan EOTech MRDS that is current issue, is pretty poor. |
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So to C Diver or anyone else who has first hand experience, what has been your experience with the Glock MOS system, specifically how have they held up in actual combat use/combat environments and have you seen any issues arise with the system?
The MOS option is one I see get bashed all the time, the recommendation is always get it cut for a specific optic instead. That would obviously always be the more idea and stable option, but with everyone dogging the MOS I'd like to hear how they actually hold in extreme environments. |
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Originally Posted By GatMo:
So to C Diver or anyone else who has first hand experience, what has been your experience with the Glock MOS system, specifically how have they held up in actual combat use/combat environments and have you seen any issues arise with the system? The MOS option is one I see get bashed all the time, the recommendation is always get it cut for a specific optic instead. That would obviously always be the more idea and stable option, but with everyone dogging the MOS I'd like to hear how they actually hold in extreme environments. |
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Originally Posted By cone256:
I don't have first hand experience but I look at it this way: If it passes SOCOM testing and gets put into field service it's probably good enough for me Originally Posted By cone256:
Originally Posted By GatMo:
So to C Diver or anyone else who has first hand experience, what has been your experience with the Glock MOS system, specifically how have they held up in actual combat use/combat environments and have you seen any issues arise with the system? The MOS option is one I see get bashed all the time, the recommendation is always get it cut for a specific optic instead. That would obviously always be the more idea and stable option, but with everyone dogging the MOS I'd like to hear how they actually hold in extreme environments. All (that I saw and/or talked to) JTAC and PJs were carrying G19 MOS with an optic I couldnt readily identify. One guy was "turning in" his G26 to somewhere for some reason, I know zero details of either. It also was a MOS cut gun, I think he was a loadmaster? 
I did ask my MXO (prior enlisted PJ) what his thoughts were concerning us possibly seeing the M18 this calendar year, he said "screw SIG" but didn't elaborate any further. I'm not in a privileged area with these guys, we just happen to share a hangar. I'm merely ACFT maintenance and we thigh carry whatever is left over and possibly functioning. (functional is optional) Since I enlisted (1996) I have carried a 1911, M9, BHP and most recent is the Glock 19. Thanks to all that have contributed to this thread, I actually look forward to new replies here and I hope my meager addition is beneficial. Cheers, Sam |
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Originally Posted By 3ACR_Scout:
CD, I can’t remember if you’ve addressed this somewhere before, but are there any suppressor height sights in use with issued Glock MOS pistols? CD |
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Afganistan: 09,10,11',14',17' & 18'