Posted: 1/13/2010 4:13:08 PM EDT
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I came across a Reminton Rand (marked on slide) it has 1911 sights with weak blueing and very light pitting, its receiver Serial number is 10361XX it is marked with property of US Govt Army, 1911 A1. Right Side FK,PIA Left Side below slide lock is marked FIA and somewhere on the receiver was the cannonball with flames on top. The 1911 A1 marked receiver does have the arched MSH and the finish is in much better condition than the slide. The grips are brown plastic I couldn't help but notice the trigger its not really grooved but has like little buttons all over it. Is this a 1911 A1 with 1911 sights ? A 1911 AI receiver with a 1911 slide and sights ? It also has a brownish green canvas holster. I find this gun rather interesting but don't know enough about them to have any idea what its worth.
So what the Hell is it? 
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I'm going to stop in and look at this gun again I could very well be wrong about the slide and sights as it may be a 1911A1, I thought the sights on the A1 were taller which doesn't appear to be the case. Whats left of the finish is pretty weak and I don't know if its blued or something else.
Can you guys get close to the year of manufacture from that SN# ? Thanks again. |
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I'm going to stop in and look at this gun again I could very well be wrong about the slide and sights as it may be a 1911A1, I thought the sights on the A1 were taller which doesn't appear to be the case. Whats left of the finish is pretty weak and I don't know if its blued or something else.
Can you guys get close to the year of manufacture from that SN# ? Thanks again. Good lord man I don't want to be that guy but do a web search for 1911 serial numbers. I did it for you this time. http://www.sightm1911.com/1911Production.htm |
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Rear site on 1911 will be rounded off, almost a half moon shape. 1911A1 is the more conventional flat top shape. Dovetail cut was the same on both, so they could interchange. A 1911 rear site on a 1911A1 slide would be unusual but with war time rebuilds anything is possible.
I knew this 'cuz I got the book for Christmas .
Canvas holster is potentially interesting. US never used canvas, but the Brits and Canadians did... |
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I was able to handle the gun today in much better light and had plenty of time (unrushed).
The canvass holster was with a differant pistol and I mistook the sights for 1911, when they are actually 1911 A1. The finish is wore pretty even slide and frame (well worn) and is a dullish grey with a slight yellowish tint, what I thought was slight pitting on the slide wiped off with a little elbow grease, I also noticed an R stamped on the bottom of the magazine base plate. The over all condition of this gun appears to be very nice (not beat up in any way), the short trigger is knurled as is the MHS, the grip safety tang appears to be correct as does the hammer. I noticed the slide does stay back when racked with the magazine in place (which suprised me) and it cycles very smooth (manually). By the external appearence this gun may be somewhat desireable and I will probably have the chance to look inside, if so I will post pics. What I am finding interesting is I have no interest in this type of gun other than curiosity and I find myself wondering where has this thing been? Who used it ? etc, etc. and I'm kind of starting to like it while at the same time possibly driving the price up if I decide I can't live without.
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I was able to handle the gun today in much better light and had plenty of time (unrushed). The canvass holster was with a differant pistol and I mistook the sights for 1911, when they are actually 1911 A1. The finish is wore pretty even slide and frame (well worn) and is a dullish grey with a slight yellowish tint, what I thought was slight pitting on the slide wiped off with a little elbow grease, I also noticed an R stamped on the bottom of the magazine base plate. The over all condition of this gun appears to be very nice (not beat up in any way), the short trigger is knurled as is the MHS, the grip safety tang appears to be correct as does the hammer. I noticed the slide does stay back when racked with the magazine in place (which suprised me) and it cycles very smooth (manually). By the external appearence this gun may be somewhat desireable and I will probably have the chance to look inside, if so I will post pics. What I am finding interesting is I have no interest in this type of gun other than curiosity and I find myself wondering where has this thing been? Who used it ? etc, etc. and I'm kind of starting to like it while at the same time possibly driving the price up if I decide I can't live without.
Much better info, the gray would be correct as it should be parked. What is the asking price, if it's correct then if you can get if for a decent price I would buy it. |
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Try this website.
http://coolgunsite.com/index.html Look up a Remington Rand in your serial number range and see if all the markings match. Remember it is the frame serial number range that identifies who made it so you could have a Colt frame with a RR slide you have to look up the serial number. Next go to the parts ID page from the same link and see if your parts match based on who made the pistol. A rebuilt M1911 should have a depot rebuild stamp on them but not all do. M1911s that have been rebuilt are worth less than those that have not been rebuilt with original parts and finish. I would not pay $1,200 for a rebuilt M1911 but that is just me. |
| Did you get the pistol? If the slide say Remington Rand on it then it is not a 1911 slide it is an a1. The bluing may be correct for the pistol as early RR pistols were blued. It should have a HS marked barrel. As you already know the RIA stamp means its been rebuilt. If you can post some pictures of the pistol and I'm sure someone can tell you whats not original. Also is there an ink stamp on the inside of the holster? If there is what does it say? The holster may be worth as much as the pistol. |
| My local fun shop has a Remington Rand 1911 with the frame being made in 1918 while the slide was manufactured in the 1940s. I was shopping for a 1911 (SA GI model) and I overheard the sales people talking about it. I took a look at it today and I was told it will be about $1200 out the door. I will try and take photos of it when I go back tomorrow. They have another one in the back that costs $1600 that was produced in World War 2. |
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Here's a couple photos of my 1944 production Remington Rand 1911A1 pistol. The serial number is 1991XXX which puts it's year of manufacture in 1944, near the end of the production run that went from 1942 until 1945.
The initials on the left side of the weapon should be "FJA". Those letters indicate the pistol was accepted by Colonel Frank J. Atwood since he was the ordnance inspector at the time. There was another website which had much more detailed information about the Remington Rand pistols, but I can't seem to find it at the moment. I do remember that Remington Rand produced more 1911A1 pistols during the Second World War than Cold and Ithaca did combined. I apologize if these photos didn't turn out very well. This pistol is mine now, however, it was given to me by my grandfather who got it from his brother who served in the Korean War. It's been refinished, but that's of little concern to me since it will stay in my family forever. http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a0dc01b3127ccef93dff06b6af00000030O08AbtG7Jm2buQe3nww/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/ http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a0dc01b3127ccef93dbefcf6ed00000030O08AbtG7Jm2buQe3nww/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/ |
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Here's a really good source for Remington Rand 1911 information.
http://coolgunsite.com/images/rem%20rands%20group/remrandstory.htm |
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If you have the money and really need one then that one would be nice as it is a 1943 year.
That being said I had a pristeen 1945 one that I traded for 1600 ,or for a 1917 Smith of which I had none! That greenish color is right for the Era (look for parker swirls )and underneath the machining marks will be seen that means it hasn't been reblued,and they only made them for three years. I have a high Standard Sentinel ii in 357 Mag they only made for two years,but it don't make it special but the RR is! Good luck Bob |
