Posted: 4/13/2005 9:07:55 AM EDT
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In 1987 I owned one of the first Glock 17s and it was a lemon; another story. Anyway I find the Glock 20 fits my hand well and I really want to own a 10mm. In comparison to my hand tuned 1911s and USP Experts will I find the Glock wanting? What to think of your G20? Should I think of another 10mm instead? Thanks... |
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I have a Glock 20 that I like a great deal. The bore axis is very low and the plastic frame seems to help soak up the recoil. The G20 was my first Glock, as I too wanted a 10mm. It has been reliable and is frankly a lot of fun to shoot. The downsides are the trigger pull, which you probably will not be pleased with. I would recommend a 3.5lb connector and the existing (factory) springs if the trigger pull really bothers you. Coming from a 1911, well, the trigger pull is what it is. You can get used to it but you probably won't ever love it. Some trigger connectors incorporate a trigger stop. That is where I am heading next (Ghost brand "Rocket" connector). The factory sights are too blocky (large-huge wide ass front sight) in my opinion and not very robust. I dropped my G20 and the plastic adjustable rear sight snagged on something, shifting it in the dovetail. You may wish to upgrade to steel sights. 10mm is a great cartridge and Doubletap ammo loads up the round to it's potential- check it out at www.doubletapammo.com The high price of practice ammunition was my incentive to purchase a replacement barrel for the G20 chambered in 40S&W. I wasn't overly confident in "conversions", so I purchased a Federal Arms barrel (el cheapo!) and boy was I surprised. It has been 100% reliable and accurate! Truly drop in, too. The recoil of the .40 out of the full size G20 is very soft and it is a great range shooter. The Glocks can be hard on the tip of your trigger finger, especially with full power loads. My trigger finger drags along the inside of the trigger guard during the recoil impulse. It is just an annoyance, but something worth mentioning. Glock chambers are "generous" if you follow the party line. They can be hard on the brass if you are a reloader. Replacement barrels with fully supported chambers could be a good idea if you are going to hotrod the G20. Best of luck, Cheese |
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I sold a USP to fund a Glock 34 and eventually picked up a Glock 20. My accuracy is MUCH better with the Glock over the HK. The 20 is my carry gun these days, and I think it's a LOT of fun. The trigger has a lot of takeup, but when shooting for splits if you ride the reset it's fast and the click from the reset point is very crisp and positive. The reset is short, like a 1911 which I like a lot. The take up is not as severe as that of the USP though mine was the regular USP not the "expert" model. The low bore axis of the Glock makes it a relatively soft shooting 10, especially considering the weight of the gun. I'll second the recommendation for a 3.5lb connector. I put a "Ghost connector" in my 20 and it helped a lot. All in all, for the price, the Glock 20 is hard to beat in 10mm. The EAA Witness is also supposed to be nice, but they are pretty scarce in this area and I thought that parts and support might be more difficult than a Glock. They are supposed to be excellent guns for the money. I've seen some beautiful custom 10mm 1911's and if I could afford it, I'd love one. However, it's not in the cards for me right now. YMMV ETA: In reference to the way the gun points. If your 1911's have arched MSH's then you won't notice much of a difference in the way it points. If you a flat MSH guy, then you may notice it. And, I've never noticed the finger thing either. |
That's how I became I lifetime Sig owner/user. |
It's going to get broken in next trip to the range.
| I alternate 2 barrels in different calibres through my G20 without a hiccup, with a their calibre barrel on the way soon. As far as 10mm in other guns NO!!!! The 10mm cartridge effectively tears the 1911 style frame(Colt Delta Elite) apart (usually starts 1500-2500rds through)hence why feds and police use the .40S&W a development of the 10mm. As far as Tangs,EAA, or Witness it is the old Bren Ten look up "bren ten" and you will quickly begin to realize what I am talking about PROBLEMS, PROBLEMS, PROBLEMS. The Glock is the only imported or domestic maker that handles the 10mm with a long service life. |
AR, When's your next trip to the range? I've been playing with my G20 quite a bit, and it's become one of my favorite range guns. I've got the OD Green version. I'm no longer a DCWC member, but if you want to take it to DPRC or if you're headed to SSI let me know. FYI, PDHSC usually has good prices on the Lancer Reload 10mm. It's 180 grain, but NOT loaded hot. As a matter of fact, it's anemic. But still fun. That said, Rudder's in Butner has the Lancer stuff cheaper than PDHSC when he's got it, but it may not be worth the drive. I'm waiting for the next financial aide check to order some doubletap fodder. Cheers, Wolffie |
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I own and carry G20C, and carry ammo is Texas Ammo Co's 180 grain {url]www.texas-ammo.com/ammun.htm#10mm Have used a variety of ammo PMC,UMC, Fed Hydra Shock,Winchester silver tip, Texas. Never had one problem with it. Maintenance lube is Wilson Combat's "Ultima lube" ]www.wilsoncombat.com/search_results.asp?txtsearchParamTxt=ultima+lube&txtsearchParamCat=ALL&txtsearchParamType=ALL&iLevel=1&txtsearchParamMan=ALL&txtsearchParamVen=ALL&txtFromSearch=fromSearch&btnSearch.x=16&btnSearch.y=14 The Glock 20 is the best kept secret out there. Once you shoot one your hooked. |
I don't understand this "to big" deal. For C***** sake it the same size as a glock .45 or 911. I just raked leaves wearing mine today. (you know, beding over picking up leaves, place in bag, repeat.) I carry all my Glocks in this www.desantisholster.com/n87.html AND I'm carrying an extra mag with 14 rounds. Thats 28 rounds of 10mm kick ass AND a full size 10! Man you guys are wimps! |
Is that pushing it too hard?? I thought that was about in line with common 10mm loads. |
Is it on layaway, or what? How could you have a 20 and not shoot it for a few months? You're a better man than me, Gunga Din!  I have had a 20 for about 6 months. I got a KKM barrel in order to shoot lead. I ordered mine with Ameriglo night sights and find them easy for my tired old eyes to pick up. The only other addition was an Agrip wrap for the grip. It helps me when I shoot a lot of hot loads. And it reminds me of a date I had with a green eyed blond who was wearing a black velour snuggly looking outfit. She finally told me if I didn't quit handling the merchandise she was going to.........  The ammo cost was a factor for me. I took up reloading to compensate and have enjoyed that new hobby. I have only loaded 135gr Nosler per the Sierra manual using VhitN340. They were a blast to shoot and I was really pleased with my first reloads. I'm going to try some 180gr Winchester FMJs I have. That is the weight I have mostly shot, from Double Taps to lead cast from Georgia Arms. I haven't been bothered by the recoil of any loads I have shot, until perhaps after a hundred or so hot ones. I don't have a problem with the trigger, probably because until recently the only comparison I had to go on was a S&W 442 and a Ruger GP100! I dry fire it a lot and i guess that helps. I was looking for something to keep me occupied after I retired from duck hunting, and I have met some fine guys at the range and am thinking of maybe doing some IDPA. I think it's a fine pistol, easy to clean and tinker with- just wish they could install some lights down in that black interior! The 10mm round is up to about anything you want to do, and if you need more than 16 rounds of 10, you should have brought a rifle. Good luck. |