Posted: 6/1/2007 9:41:53 AM EDT
Heres my G20LS, Slide was just finished in OD.
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Nice looking G20L there warrior23. The OD slide is an interesting touch and it looks good for a combat piece. As we are showing off our creations, here is a picture of the first ever G20L immediately after I put it together some 3 yrs ago.  Not being one to leave well enough alone, my Glock G20/21 Longslide is currently configured as a USPSA 'Limited' version and consists of the following: A G21 modified with a custom German 6” steel slide w/ front serrations, melted Bo-Mar rear, and Dawson fiber optic front sights. The slide and extractor were Cobra Chromed™ by Tripp Research. From the beginning, save for the Cobra Chrome™, every modification on it I did myself. A Jarvis 6” 45acp barrel was initially installed making it a G21L. Later, I got the idea for the conversion to a G20L and contacted Kevin where he agreed to make a 1st ever custom KKM 6” 45-10MM barrel for it. I also upgraded the extractor to the LCI version for better extraction reliability. Recoil is tamed by a THE stainless steel Guide Rod and ISMI Spring. Frame modifications include a Hogue HandAll ™, Lightening Strike stainless steel magwell (new today), and my rounded trigger guard. I also installed extended controls including a Slide Stop Lever, Slide Lock, and Mag Release. A LWD 3.5# Connector, trigger job, and +2 mag bases round out the modifications.  A trip to the range this morning confirmed that I now have it dialed in just right for me. The magwell helps keep my hands up high on the grip and locked together well and it's 4oz weight plus the weight of the extra rounds gives the pistol great balance. Even with all the extras, it weighs only 37oz empty (less than the 39oz empty weight of a std Government 1911) and 48oz loaded with 14+1 rds of 230grn 45acp or 17+1 rds of 180grn 10mm. The extra weight helps it point as solid as a rock which helps my performance at the 50 - 100yd (45acp) and 100 - 150yd (10mm) distances I prefer to shoot. |
| SC, there's one on Gunbroker now for $750 with barrel. Lone Wolf Dist. did the importation of those slides from Germany. Check out this thread for new slides by Caspian |
You won't actually have a G20, but a G21 with a 10mm conversion barrel, which isn't, of course, the same as if somebody actually made a G20 LS.  At one time Lonewolf said that they were going to make some G20 longslides, but that project's kind of petered out.
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For what you paid for it, it ought to sing and dance or something! :) |
Alright, here you go. Do I have to do everything around here?  www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=73148234 |
You get what you pay for in this world,and when ya want something unique/special and limited thats what your gonna pay.For you that maybe alot of money,for me it was well worth every penny.
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I think these companies are going with the 21/45apc slide because you can change to 10mm with a barrel and a magazines.If they set it up for 10mm then you wouldnt be able to swap in a 45 barrel. quote]Quoted: so is the caspian slide going to be for a 21 with a 10mm conversion barrel or for a 20? |
No, truthfully, for me it's not that much money. Just having something unique to "turn heads at the range," as I see youngsters posting on this and other forums, is just not my mentality. To answer the question regarding the extractors, yes, the extractors are different, and a G20 extractor will not work in a G21 slide. The only difference in the barrels is the width of the barrel hood. There have been several reports of unreliable extraction from "standard" G21 slides with the 10mm conversion barrels; however, most who buy the much more expensive long slide report 100% reliability. (Of course, it could be that somebody who'd spent that much money on something that didn't work would be too embarrassed to admit that it didn't work, or didn't want to spoil chances for a resale.)  I opted for a true G20. If I wanted a longer barrel, I'd just buy one. If I wanted a longer barrel that mitigated recoil, then I'd buy a threaded, compensated G20 barrel, eg., the excellent KKM compensated G20 barrel. The "uniqueness" of the Deutsch-fabrique longslide is of no interest to me. The difference in the sight radius is of no interest to me, as I shoot my G20 with optics, anywho. Having a long slide, particularly a long slide with a conversion barrel, rather than a barrel for which the slide was designed, using a "makeshift" extractor also doesn't appeal to me. I'm truly happy for you guys who enjoy your amalgamated longslides. They're just not for everybody, and for reasons other than financial.
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If this is of no interest to you then why comment or get involved with it.You post your comments based on others information about the longslide."If you dont own one you've never shot one and you dont care to own one then stay outta the thread. As for youngster thanks havent been called that in a long time!
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I know my writing style probably isn't up to what you're accustomed, but I didn't refer to you as a "youngster," unless you qualified as one of those youngsters who'd be inclined to buy something unique just to "turn heads at the range." You're not that kind of guy, are you?  I opined in this thread, because I thought it was an open thread, not just confined to those who'd actually purchased the so-called G20 longslide. Since I've had a little experience both with the aforementioned conversion barrel, the extractor problems, etc., and have been in touch with several others who've experienced extraction problems with the 10mm conversion barrels, I thought my input might be worthwhile. As I said, I'm genuinely happy for those of you who've bought the German-made longslides and are satisfied with the results. Apparently, there are at least a few who haven't been satisfied, or there wouldn't be any for sale, would there? They're just not for everybody, even those of us who can afford them, but just find them uninteresting. If I've offended anybody by my fairly benign comments, then please accept my apology, as no offense was intended. |
Actually, the slide is fairly priced if you consider what you get. Let me explain. Send your G21 slide to Novak Handgunner's Outlet and for $165 he'll machine your slide to install a 'melted' Bo-Mar rear sight and give you a Bo-Mar front sight. It will cost you $90 more to get your front serrations. Now all you have to do is refinish your slide $60-$100, depending upon finish you select, and you have a stock length Glock slide with the features of my custom one. That's over $300 in slide mods alone. Then, if you buy a stock used slide and internals for say $250 you find a you have as used slide modified like the custom slides and it only cost you ................................................................. $550. |
Well, Tamron, it looks like you've got a case of alligator mouth and hummingbird ass as you don't know what you are talking about! First, I am the Colorado Glocker who developed the G20L and during my development I tested all sorts of Glock large frame extractors. I can tell you that the G20's extractor, while slightly different in fit (on the outside), will work just fine in a stock G21 slide. However, because it just gives no advantage over the 45 extractor, there is no need to buy one. How do I know? I tested them. Tamron, do you know the details of the differences? Didn't think so. So how then do you know a 10mm won't work? I do know and the 10mm extractor has a 0.025" deeper web design used in a slide with a 0.025" deeper extractor cut. The pad to 'claw' length is the same in both the 45 and 10mm extractors so installing a 10mm extractor in a G21 slide just results in the outside face of the extractor sticking out from the slide about 0.020" more than the 45 extractor. The 'claw' position is the same relative to the firing pin for both the 45 and 10mm extractor in a G21 slide. What really increases reliability is the 'claw' angle change Glock introduced with the LCI design on the right vs the vertical design of the older, flat sided extractors on the left. The canted 'claw' increases the grip on the case rim.  Second, while it is true that the some have had extraction issues with the std slides, I'm not aware of any with the longsides. As I developed a longslide and gave assistance to those making longslides, I've limited my comments to longslides. To date, I have shot just over 4,000rds of 10mm through my 45-10MM barrel in my longslide and you know how many extraction problems I've had? Zero! That's right, not a single one. During my development, I did testing on lowering the pad on my G21 extractor 0.020" to allow the 'claw' to reach farther into the slide. I got the same results as the stock 45 LCI; zero extraction problems so I decided that the modification wasn't necessary for the longslides. BTW, how many rounds of 10mm have you shot through a 45-10MM barrel in a longslide? How about a 45-10MM in a stock slide? I'm betting you've never even seen one in person, let alone handled it.  Std LCI extractor position with chamber empty:  Modified pad showing increased 'resting' depth on an empty chamber:  The only issues with my longslide were when it was new and concerned feeding issues because of the sharp corners and tight chamber on my 45-10MM barrel. Once I polished out the feedramp and chamber and 'broke' the sharp corners, I've had good success with it. And, as you can see below, the match size chambers in both the Jarvis and KKM barrels provides for much more chamber support, especially in the 6 o'clock position providing for an extra margin of safety when shooting hot loads and reloads (both of which I do almost exclusively as I reload all my ammo for everything I shoot). Comparison of the 10mm size diameters between my stock Glock G22 barrel on the left (a 40s&w has the same diameter as a 10mm, it's just a shorter case) with my custom KKM 45-10MM barrel. Note both the tighter chamber and better 6 o'clock support.  Comparison of 45acp between my stock G21 barrel on the right with my custom Jarvis 45 barrel. Note both the tighter chamber and better 6 o'clock support.  So, as we can see, hearsay isn't necessarily something one should rely upon, let alone pass on. Facts, established by inspection and testing, form the basis of my statements, facts. Third, implying that I withheld issues with my longslide to increase my chances for resale are absurd in that if I were having problems with it why would I keep spending money on it to customize it more to my liking? i.e. I've replaced the plain Bo-Mar front sight with a Dawson FO to aid with long range shots and recently upgraded it's look as stated above. Forth, stating that, "Having a long slide, particularly a long slide with a conversion barrel, rather than a barrel for which the slide was designed, using a "makeshift" extractor..." just proves your ignorance of the conversion barrel design and your lack of understanding of the project. I'll admit it, I have right at $2,000 in my G20/21L project; what with testing on various extractors, the slide, 2 barrels, new front sights, extra mags and +2 bases, magwell, hard chrome, etc., etc. It's not for everyone, however, I can more safely shoot my 'nuclear' loads out of my stronger, tighter barrels than anyone would consider in a stock Glock barrel. Don't believe that? Call Kevin at KKM and get a lesson in the chambers and relative metallurgical strength of both his and Jarvis' custom barrels compared to Glock's. To conclude, I did my project, as did warrior23 did his, because I wanted it and decided I could afford to develop it. I for one, don't give a damn if it is "...of interest to you..." or not. If you don't like it, fine, have some courtesy and keep your mouth shut. Running your mouth about how something is a piece of crap and doesn't work just because you don't have one is bullshit and makes you look like a loudmouthed ass (which I'm sure wasn't your intention). I'm sorry for the rant, but I just can't stand some know-it-all pontificating on something he has no first hand knowledge of and demonstrating same by spouting factually incorrect statements mixed with his "so what" opinions. This post was started by warrior23 because he was proud of his pistol (as he has a right to be). Tamron should show some respect and allow him to post his picture unmolested. |