Posted: 11/3/2015 10:07:13 AM EDT
| Now that these have been out for a few months. Anyone have new info? |
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I'm not trying to piss anyone off, but is this "gadget" really necessary. If you find a Glock to be so unsafe that you want to modify it, why the fuck do you have/carry one? Not pissing me off.... I do not see a need for them but then again I am not Wild Bill Hickok and I never feel the need to reholster fast. When I reholster everything is deliberate and slow if I feel like I am going to cause a ND I would not use the firearm. |
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I have no problem carrying my Glock without one. I have for years. However, I believe the Gadget would be a good passive safety for use when training where you will be reholstering 100+ times over the training period.
The design actually doesn't change a thing about how the Glock operates but gives you a way to ensure the gun will not go off when reholstering. It still does not replace good safety habits and awareness with what's going on around you and your gear. |
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I can't see the gun when I reholster it thanks to my "keg" belly. I LOVE the idea. Nothing changes about the gun--dirt isn't more likely to get in or anything.
The ONLY thing it does is give you a nice tactile feedback during rebolstering. -- They should ship this month, but I doubt I'll post a review since I don't want to read 40 comments about how it's useless and is a solution looking for a problem. To each his/her own. They've been testing them for like 4 years now and have hundreds of thousands of rounds. I've had Glocks since 1990 and carried them since 1993, so I hate the idea of external safeties or God forbid SA guns, but this sounds like a good option for those of us who don't like to or can't look to see the reholsteing, but have to go by "feel". Note: I CAN reholster fine.....last class we drew and reholstered at least 600 times I'd bet. It got caught on my shirt a few times, or didn't get aligned right at first, but for THOSE few (20-30) instances, I wish I had had the gadget: |
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There is no reason to re-holster in a hurry. Look at the holster and do it slowly. Is it really that difficult? No it's not and I do so everyday and I also carry AIWB. However, on training days it's nice to have a little insurance. 
I say this not as newbie but as someone who has carried Glocks since the late 80s. |
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It takes a special kind of dense to not realize the safety benefit of a TDA. If you could apply that same benefit to a Glock, why would you not?
Solution looking for a problem? Not at all. An extra means of weapon control is another tool in the toolbox that a well trained shooter can utilize. |
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Quoted: there was a thread about this a while ago. if you need one you shouldnt own a glock. Also, in a high stress environment after a shoot or fight or whatever, when the adrenaline is really going (in real life scenarios, not training) an extra safety step or two, certainly wouldn't hurt when reholstering. Don't get me wrong, this shouldn't be needed, but time and time again, proves that people do dumb shit or become complacent. |
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It's not for drawing. It's for re-holstering the gun. Lol Quoted:
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A solution to a problem that doesn't exist. In fact, if used the way it's designed, you would be gripping and drawing the gun wrong!!! It's not for drawing. It's for re-holstering the gun. Lol Exactly. If you don't know what it's for maybe you shouldn't be commenting on it. Everyone can talk about "slow down on the reholster" or "you should visually check the holster" or "just pay attention". From what I understand, this safety originates from the need to reholster when you CAN'T slow down, visually check the holster, and pay attention. If you're a cop who needs to go hands on with a subject, diverting attention from a subject to reholster gives him a chance to move or fight back. All this safety does is take a common safety procedure from DA hammer guns (reholstering with the thumb on the hammer) and applies it to striker guns. |
| I'm interested. I just bought my first Glock, a G20. I'm still working on what I want for a holster, this is for backup when out hunting in bear country. To tide me over on the holster I picked up a cheapo holster made of ballistic cloth and can be used in crossdraw or right hip draw. It's a fairly snug fit on the G20. I'm wondering if it's possible to somehow snag the trigger enough to work the trigger safety stuffing the thing into a tight fit, flexible holster, cross body, under a jacket or sweater - basically a blind holster. Until I'm confident that can be done without developing a case of glock leg, I'm holstering the gun without a round in the chamber. The glock gadget would alleviate the concern, I think. |
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Quoted: It takes a special kind of dense to not realize the safety benefit of a TDA. If you could apply that same benefit to a Glock, why would you not? Solution looking for a problem? Not at all. An extra means of weapon control is another tool in the toolbox that a well trained shooter can utilize. This. It's not about "speed" reholstering. It's adding a layer of safety/redundancy to the reholstering process. It gives FEEDBACK as the to status of your striker, and also allows you to physically block the strikers rearward movement, similar to blocking the hammer of a TDA or single action gun. The biggest push for this is the popularity surge recently for AIWB carry... though it works for just about any carry type. I have one on order. Original delivery date was supposed to be November, but things have been pushed back a month or two (if you read the P-T thread). I'm not concerned about delivery time, nor "if" it gets delivered. The people behind it have a very good rep in the shooting/defense world. I'm sure I'll see it soon. |
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This. It's not about "speed" reholstering. It's adding a layer of safety/redundancy to the reholstering process. It gives FEEDBACK as the to status of your striker, and also allows you to physically block the strikers rearward movement, similar to blocking the hammer of a TDA or single action gun. The biggest push for this is the popularity surge recently for AIWB carry... though it works for just about any carry type. I have one on order. Original delivery date was supposed to be November, but things have been pushed back a month or two (if you read the P-T thread). I'm not concerned about delivery time, nor "if" it gets delivered. The people behind it have a very good rep in the shooting/defense world. I'm sure I'll see it soon. Quoted:
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It takes a special kind of dense to not realize the safety benefit of a TDA. If you could apply that same benefit to a Glock, why would you not? Solution looking for a problem? Not at all. An extra means of weapon control is another tool in the toolbox that a well trained shooter can utilize. This. It's not about "speed" reholstering. It's adding a layer of safety/redundancy to the reholstering process. It gives FEEDBACK as the to status of your striker, and also allows you to physically block the strikers rearward movement, similar to blocking the hammer of a TDA or single action gun. The biggest push for this is the popularity surge recently for AIWB carry... though it works for just about any carry type. I have one on order. Original delivery date was supposed to be November, but things have been pushed back a month or two (if you read the P-T thread). I'm not concerned about delivery time, nor "if" it gets delivered. The people behind it have a very good rep in the shooting/defense world. I'm sure I'll see it soon. I read one popular gun site say he believed this would be a factory feature of every striker gun available in 10 years. I think that's a biiiiiiiiiit opptomistic, but it's an unobtrusive bit of added security I'd want if I was designing a new striker gun from the ground up. ETA: I'd love to see this added to the Gen5 Glock. Watching people's heads explode would be a fun pasttime.. |
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Why are there so many people with negative comments in regard to an additional safety mechanism to those who would feel more comfortable with one?
I don't feel the need for this, but I think it is a pretty cool mod for people who would like something like that. |
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Training wheels? That's more like an external safety or mag-safety. I would say the gadget is more like a tail-light for your bike. Not needed 99.99% of the time, but that .01% when you have an AD or get hit by the car from behind woulda made it worth having. Hate external safeties and mag safeties. If you think you need these Glock is not the pistol for you. Not sure how this would prevent an AD if you got hit by a car, I am not sure how getting hit from behind would over ride the internal safeties already in the Glock  So I think if you need a bunch of safeties and safeguards maybe you need to look at another gun. Or get the Glock training wheels and enjoy. It's your gun, do to it what you want or what makes you feel safe
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Hate external safeties and mag safeties. If you think you need these Glock is not the pistol for you. Not sure how this would prevent an AD if you got hit by a car, I am not sure how getting hit from behind would over ride the internal safeties already in the Glock So I think if you need a bunch of safeties and safeguards maybe you need to look at another gun. Or get the Glock training wheels and enjoy. It's your gun, do to it what you want or what makes you feel safeQuoted:
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Training wheels? That's more like an external safety or mag-safety. I would say the gadget is more like a tail-light for your bike. Not needed 99.99% of the time, but that .01% when you have an AD or get hit by the car from behind woulda made it worth having. Hate external safeties and mag safeties. If you think you need these Glock is not the pistol for you. Not sure how this would prevent an AD if you got hit by a car, I am not sure how getting hit from behind would over ride the internal safeties already in the Glock So I think if you need a bunch of safeties and safeguards maybe you need to look at another gun. Or get the Glock training wheels and enjoy. It's your gun, do to it what you want or what makes you feel safeIt's essentially so people can thumb over hammer when reholstering. That's how I reholster my HKs that have the LEM trigger. Can't do that on my Glocks or M&Ps. Will I be buying one? Probably not. Do I think it serves a purpose and is a good idea? Sure. |
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Psh..I'm federal LE and train quite a bit on a variety of weapons both personally owned and agency owned and I don't see this as a bad thing. Training gets the blood and mind flowing. Sometimes, we get careless or in a hurry and bam, it's too late. Also, I can see this being a requirement for agencies across the country. People you would think are pretty damn squared away become absolutely careless or retarded when a weapon comes into the picture. Also, in a high stress environment after a shoot or fight or whatever, when the adrenaline is really going (in real life scenarios, not training) an extra safety step or two, certainly wouldn't hurt when reholstering. Don't get me wrong, this shouldn't be needed, but time and time again, proves that people do dumb shit or become complacent. Quoted:
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there was a thread about this a while ago. if you need one you shouldnt own a glock. Also, in a high stress environment after a shoot or fight or whatever, when the adrenaline is really going (in real life scenarios, not training) an extra safety step or two, certainly wouldn't hurt when reholstering. Don't get me wrong, this shouldn't be needed, but time and time again, proves that people do dumb shit or become complacent. Not that I am disagreeing with you at all, I am not LEO nor a door kicker, just a fat FF that 3 guns. But in a High Stress environment after a shoot or a fight, if you can't remember to keep your finger off the trigger, whats to say you will remember to use this gadget? ETA: Not saying it is a good or bad thing, If you want it, get it for your gun, that's what makes Merica great! |
| It has nothing to do with keeping your finger off the trigger. More than once clothing has managed to set off Glock (and other striker fired) pistols when reholstering. This prevents that from happening. I don't know why this is such a hard concept for people to understand - if you don't want it, don't buy it. |
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It has nothing to do with keeping your finger off the trigger. More than once clothing has managed to set off Glock (and other striker fired) pistols when reholstering. This prevents that from happening. I don't know why this is such a hard concept for people to understand - if you don't want it, don't buy it. If that was meant for me, Please reread the second part of my post. If not, sorry for the misinterpretation. Forums leave out tone of conversation. I am all for, get what works for you and don't worry about what anyone else thinks about it. |
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It has nothing to do with keeping your finger off the trigger. More than once clothing has managed to set off Glock (and other striker fired) pistols when reholstering. This prevents that from happening. I don't know why this is such a hard concept for people to understand - if you don't want it, don't buy it. This is why it is of interest to me. I know where my fingers are - it's the other crap I'm worried about, holster edges, clothing, belt ends, god knows what. I wouldn't be concerned at the range, I'm more concerned about out in the field with winter clothing or hunting gear on. Of course it is unlikely that the thing will ever be drawn anyway - so maybe re-holstering is not an issue. |
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I suggested this concept some time ago, based on the functionality of the Walther PPS.
It's a bit excessive IMO, the PPS approach would work fine, just not be patentable. The same kind of approach could conceivably done with any non-fully precocked striker. I have no idea if the PPS was intended to have this functionality or not, but it works. |