Posted: 12/11/2008 2:37:45 PM EDT
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I know you have to be carefull about what you feed these but is there a good load in either 38/357 that I could use for defense and when carrying hunting? I have heard that the speer gold dots in 38 were pretty good. I have there short barrel 38 load in my taurus.
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I know you have to be carefull about what you feed these but is there a good load in either 38/357 that I could use for defense and when carrying hunting? I have heard that the speer gold dots in 38 were pretty good. I have there short barrel 38 load in my taurus. The rumors of K-frame fragility are based on 125-grain loads of the late 1970's and early 1980's. They were a lot hotter then than they are now. (Yes, I have the chronograph data to back up the claim.) So much of the issue is moot these days. If you like jacketed loads, stick to the 140- and 158-grain loads for general purpose duty. They don't flame cut the top strap like "old school" 125's. I personally prefer Sierra JHC's in handloads and Remington in factory ammo. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I know you have to be carefull about what you feed these but is there a good load in either 38/357 that I could use for defense and when carrying hunting? I have heard that the speer gold dots in 38 were pretty good. I have there short barrel 38 load in my taurus. The rumors of K-frame fragility are based on 125-grain loads of the late 1970's and early 1980's. They were a lot hotter then than they are now. (Yes, I have the chronograph data to back up the claim.) So much of the issue is moot these days. If you like jacketed loads, stick to the 140- and 158-grain loads for general purpose duty. They don't flame cut the top strap like "old school" 125's. I personally prefer Sierra JHC's in handloads and Remington in factory ammo. I have a box of Remington 125 SJHPs made summer of '08, which clock 1500-1550 fps from my 5 inch Model 27. Are you saying ammo from 30 years ago is hotter than that? |
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Quoted: Yes.Quoted: Quoted: I know you have to be carefull about what you feed these but is there a good load in either 38/357 that I could use for defense and when carrying hunting? I have heard that the speer gold dots in 38 were pretty good. I have there short barrel 38 load in my taurus. The rumors of K-frame fragility are based on 125-grain loads of the late 1970's and early 1980's. They were a lot hotter then than they are now. (Yes, I have the chronograph data to back up the claim.) So much of the issue is moot these days. If you like jacketed loads, stick to the 140- and 158-grain loads for general purpose duty. They don't flame cut the top strap like "old school" 125's. I personally prefer Sierra JHC's in handloads and Remington in factory ammo. I have a box of Remington 125 SJHPs made summer of '08, which clock 1500-1550 fps from my 5 inch Model 27. Are you saying ammo from 30 years ago is hotter than that? Several factors could be involved here. In my experience Remington is the worst offender of the Big Three for velocity inconsistency. I've chronographed the same .357 and .41 loads from different lots that showed a spread of over 200 fps from the same revolver and under very similar air temperatures. I also wouldn't be surprised if the cylinder gap in your M27 is less than .006". The cylinder gap makes a huge difference. I did a test years ago in which a friend's 2.5" M66 clocked loads faster than two other 4" M19's, shot side-by-side. The difference was in the gaps. Finally, your gun is a 5" variant. I think you'll agree there is usually a big jump in velocity once barrel length surpasses four inches. |
| I should be receiving my order of 158gr SJHP ammo I ordered a few weeks ago. It's good enough for defense against bad guys and any animals I'll come across in this area. When I'm out in the national forest I'll continue to carry 158gr JSP flat nose for better penetration. I do like 125gr and ordered more but it's a little more 'snappy' that makes faster follow up shots harder for me. My .357 is a Security Six so no worries about forcing cone cracking but I want to avoid flame cutting as well so I shoot more 158gr than 125gr. |
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The other part of this rumor is you're susposed to keep you 38\357 ratio at about 10\1 in favor of the 38's. The model 19 was designed to allow you to train all you want on whatever .38 ammo you wanted, but carry and use .357 for duty or personal use. People who feed thier model 19's a steady diet of .357 usually have problems.
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The rumors of K-frame fragility are based on 125-grain loads of the late 1970's and early 1980's. They were a lot hotter then than they are now. (Yes, I have the chronograph data to back up the claim.) So much of the issue is moot these days. If you like jacketed loads, stick to the 140- and 158-grain loads for general purpose duty. They don't flame cut the top strap like "old school" 125's. I personally prefer Sierra JHC's in handloads and Remington in factory ammo. |
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Quoted: Not necessarily true. K-frame .357's are prematurely worn by a combination of lightweight bullets and Ball powder. Use heavier slugs, especially cast, and cooler-burning extruded powders. Those Smiths hold up much better than the popular gun press would have you believe.The other part of this rumor is you're susposed to keep you 38\357 ratio at about 10\1 in favor of the 38's. The model 19 was designed to allow you to train all you want on whatever .38 ammo you wanted, but carry and use .357 for duty or personal use. People who feed thier model 19's a steady diet of .357 usually have problems. |
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Not necessarily true. K-frame .357's are prematurely worn by a combination of lightweight bullets and Ball powder. Use heavier slugs, especially cast, and cooler-burning extruded powders. Those Smiths hold up much better than the popular gun press would have you believe.
The other part of this rumor is you're susposed to keep you 38\357 ratio at about 10\1 in favor of the 38's. The model 19 was designed to allow you to train all you want on whatever .38 ammo you wanted, but carry and use .357 for duty or personal use. People who feed thier model 19's a steady diet of .357 usually have problems. This. K frame Magnums are fine with heavier bullets. It's the lightweight bullets and hot powder that causes problems. |