Posted: 2/26/2012 3:08:34 PM EDT
| I need to make a decision. HKp30 or HK45C. I have 3 Glock 9mms.I also have a 1911 .45. I love the feel of the HK grips and have heard both are excellent shooters. Can't have both right now. Help!!! |
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HK's are all awesome uber reliable and accurate firearms that being said the P30 has Spidey Grip texture with finger groves molded in they feel like heaven to most handgun shooters and come in a long slide version too.The HK45C has the smooth grip like the P2000 it has a slightly shorter grip and slide length for concealment can use 8 round magazines with either a flat baseplate or with finger rest it can also use the 10 round magazines from the full size HK45 ( with the "elephant foot" baseplate ) it can also use the threaded barrel for a can! If you want 45 it eliminates the P30 if you want 9 or 40 then get the P30. The HK pistols are also available in different trigger variants too either a DA/SA with de-cocker or LEM Combat Double Action to even give you more choices. I love them all.
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HK45C hands down in this case since you already have 9mm covered with your Glocks. I have both the P30 and the 45C, the 45C is an outstanding pistol and its the one I find myself shooting when I'm not running my Glocks. It is accurate, reliable and almost the same size as a G19, its a hard pistol to beat.
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I need to make a decision. HKp30 or HK45C. I have 3 Glock 9mms.I also have a 1911 .45. I love the feel of the HK grips and have heard both are excellent shooters. Can't have both right now. Help!!! Had that problem also! You'll end up getting several. 
Range gun? CCW? Both are about the same size. 45C is smaller in the butt area, if used with flat foorplates. Comes down to capacity and caliber. Most folks carry one pistol and one reload. 45C = 17rds (9 + 8) or P30 = 31rds (16 + 15). Some feel seventeen rounds of .45 are not enough and pick 9mm. 
9mm is cheaper to practice with. 
I carry my 45/45C more than my P30/P30S. 
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Will the HK45c or P30 work with P2000 holsters?
I carry a P2000 now. If the holsters would work with one of them, that would definately help with my decision. I know the 45c looks just like the P2000 except for the light rail and front slide serrations, and I think they are similar in size. Just don't know if they are close enough to share holsters. |
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You might have tried the "Heavy" V2 LEM trigger. I was on the same boat as you. I'm getting a 45C. I am also purchasing a P30 LEM (9mm) and converting it to the "light" LEM in the future. So I'm getting both to keep the Arfcom tradition going I have to say I'm leaning toward the HK45C as I like .45's. I pulled the trigger on a LEM version and was not sure if I liked the length of the travel. I keep hearing how nice the P30 is to shoot.
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It really comes down to ammo.
How heavily invested are you in either caliber, IE; cases of ammo? Do you reload? It doesn't sound like it. 9mm is going to be cheaper to practice with no matter what, literally 1/2 as much if you don't reload. As someone who'd carried 7 + 7 45acp in an Colt Officer's, I feel the P30s 16 rounds 9mm without a spare mag + BUG is way more than enough. My next handgun will be a P2000sk. OTOH, 45 hollow points are less likely to clog going through heavy clothing. Also, as someone who's first pistol was 1911 ( and I still have it as my only 45 in the safe, with no loaded ammo) but now carry a 9mm, there was a subliminal pleasure in carrying a 45acp. Do you still feel the pull, or did your cheapness override it like me? My advice, sell the three Blocks, get a reloading press and dedicate yourself to one platform and caliber. "Fear the man who only has one rifle, he's probably good with it" ~ Col Jeff Cooper. That goes double for handguns, which are even harder to use. |
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Only in theory, reality shows that most shooters are better if they only need rely on one muscle memory set when stressed.
The transition for most shooters from the Glock to 1911 grip angle isn't easy. The1911 - HK45c/P30 pairing would be an easier transition, even in casual shooting. However, I didn't tell him he had to get a HK and dump the Glocks. Just he would be better off making a platform controls/grip angle choice. The OP's selection of the HK45c as a choice hints that it will be carried. Since that would mean his life, I gave him the most conservative answer. On a limited budget, one gun and lots of practice beats lots of different guns and little practice per piece. Very few people have the money/time to burn thousands of rounds per weapon, per year on a large collection of radically different weapons. Which is what is required to learn them intimately and then keep your skills sharp. If he's just wanting another fun gun for occasional use and doesn't carry or is casual about his CCWing (honestly, many people are), this all goes out the window.
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| I like the "spidey" grips on the HK45 and P30 much better than those on the HK45C and P2000. Having said that it really comes down to a choice. Do you want a .45 or a 9mm/.40 s&w? Also, who says you can't have multiple platforms and multiple calibers within the same platforms? You can't have too many H&Ks! |
| Thanks for all your comments and advise. I do plan on carrying the gun CCW. Up to now my main carry gun has been the Glock 26. I shoot 1-2x per week behind my home in the country usually ~50 rounds or so. I have recently rekindled my interest in reloading and so cost of ammo is not a huge factor in my decision. |
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Another vote for HK45C... https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-aCbVgqyv10Y/Ttv0LNzhERI/AAAAAAAAAb4/dEySScOeBX4/s1024/hk45c_002.jpg This one has light LEM trigger and Heinie straight 8s. Super nice shooting pistol. Nice Pistol there I love my HK45C it is still V1 DA/SA, thinking about making it light LEM like my P2000SK. |
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i have both and love them. i like the hk45c because it has the option of a factory threaded barrel, but mags are extremely expensive for a 10 rounder. the p30 can be suppressed with a threaded p30l barrel, mags are also are priced pretty good for a 15 rounder. iirc its about 40$ a piece.
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Not really. You would be surprise of what a great majority of individuals can do under stress. He has 3 Glocks in 9mm and one 1911 so that angle thing is not a issue and I guess he gets more practice with the 9mm's. Money issues? well he is buying a HK45C which is not a cheap firearm plus he has 4 other firearms and he has only two calibers to buy. Training is responsibility of the individual if he really is serious about conserving his life and his family. You train with what you got. Just don't limit yourself on learning other platforms, because you never know. The fundamentals don't change.
Only in theory,]reality shows that most shooters are better if they only need rely on one muscle memory set when stressed. The transition for most shooters from the Glock to 1911 grip angle isn't easy. The1911 - HK45c/P30 pairing would be an easier transition, even in casual shooting. However, I didn't tell him he had to get a HK and dump the Glocks. Just he would be better off making a platform controls/grip angle choice. The OP's selection of the HK45c as a choice hints that it will be carried. Since that would mean his life, I gave him the most conservative answer. On a limited budget, one gun and lots of practice beats lots of different guns and little practice per piece. Very few people have the money/time to burn thousands of rounds per weapon, per year on a large collection of radically different weapons. Which is what is required to learn them intimately and then keep your skills sharp. If he's just wanting another fun gun for occasional use and doesn't carry or is casual about his CCWing (honestly, many people are), this all goes out the window. |
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Another vote for HK45C... https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-aCbVgqyv10Y/Ttv0LNzhERI/AAAAAAAAAb4/dEySScOeBX4/s1024/hk45c_002.jpg This one has light LEM trigger and Heinie straight 8s. Super nice shooting pistol. Which holster is that? |
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Comp-tac MTAC I have one for my P30, it works good.
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I agree with most of this except the grip angle part.
You would be surprise of what a great majority of individuals can do under stress. He has 3 Glocks in 9mm and one 1911 so that angle thing is not a issue and I guess he gets more practice with the 9mm's. Money issues? well he is buying a HK45C which is not a cheap firearm plus he has 4 other firearms and he has only two calibers to buy. Training is responsibility of the individual if he really is serious about conserving his life and his family. You train with what you got. Just don't limit yourself on learning other platforms, because you never know. The fundamentals don't change. Studies show it takes around 1000 repetitions and a few sleep cycles for muscle memory to set in with most people, some are much faster, others slower and lose it quicker. Without MM, the shooter has to consciously think " drive the sights to the target, align, lock the wrist, where is the mag release, slide top, etc..." a gunfight is no place for that. The OP's post below shows he shoots enough to keep sharp with multiple CCW handguns, but that still makes him an exception, not the rule IMHO. We seem to be talking about two different stages of shooter development and philosophy, I'm taking about the bare bones skinny, you the advanced training mindset. Quoted:
Thanks for all your comments and advise. I do plan on carrying the gun CCW. Up to now my main carry gun has been the Glock 26. I shoot 1-2x per week behind my home in the country usually ~50 rounds or so. I have recently rekindled my interest in reloading and so cost of ammo is not a huge factor in my decision. With all above, I'd say go with the HK45c. It'll add versatility to your collection. |
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I had... And sold my 45c once I bought my P30 9mm. The 45c is a FINE firearm! Shot great! I just prefer 1911's for a 45. The P30 is an awesome weapon and I have no regrets whatsoever.
The P30 fits my hand like it was made just for me. The HK P30 and my P2Ksk (both 9mm V2)have replaced my Glock 19 and 27 as my CCW's. |
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Another vote for HK45C... https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-aCbVgqyv10Y/Ttv0LNzhERI/AAAAAAAAAb4/dEySScOeBX4/s1024/hk45c_002.jpg This one has light LEM trigger and Heinie straight 8s. Super nice shooting pistol. EDIT: Holster is Comptac MTAC, makes carrying a breeze. Did you buy it as an lem or was it converted? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Another vote for HK45C... https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-aCbVgqyv10Y/Ttv0LNzhERI/AAAAAAAAAb4/dEySScOeBX4/s1024/hk45c_002.jpg This one has light LEM trigger and Heinie straight 8s. Super nice shooting pistol. EDIT: Holster is Comptac MTAC, makes carrying a breeze. Did you buy it as an lem or was it converted? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Looks like a V1 converted to LEM. To me. 
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I see the OP made a choice, but I'll still throw in my 2 cents for anyone else reading. I had the 45c. Never shot a P30, but had some time with a USP 9mm. I HATED the 45c. It was never fun, enjoyable or easy to shoot. Through multiple range sessions I was never able to get a grip that kept the gun from moving in my hand during recoil. I think this is largely due to the texture of the grip. It always felt too smooth for me and was constantly slipping. The USP 9 was a much better pistol for me, and still regret selling it. A lot of people gripe about the grips on USP's, but it fit my hand very well and it made the gun very easy and fun to shoot. After only a little work with it I was able to get speed and proficiency on par with my other pistols. |
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I see the OP made a choice, but I'll still throw in my 2 cents for anyone else reading. I had the 45c. Never shot a P30, but had some time with a USP 9mm. I HATED the 45c. It was never fun, enjoyable or easy to shoot. Through multiple range sessions I was never able to get a grip that kept the gun from moving in my hand during recoil. I think this is largely due to the texture of the grip. It always felt too smooth for me and was constantly slipping. The USP 9 was a much better pistol for me, and still regret selling it. A lot of people gripe about the grips on USP's, but it fit my hand very well and it made the gun very easy and fun to shoot. After only a little work with it I was able to get speed and proficiency on par with my other pistols. I think gun choice as well as fit is always personal and what works for one person may not work for another. I'm having a blast shooting the 45C. I had a chance to shoot it with a Glock 21 and a 1911 at the same time. The Hk45C was hands down my favorite. |
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Another vote for HK45C... https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-aCbVgqyv10Y/Ttv0LNzhERI/AAAAAAAAAb4/dEySScOeBX4/s1024/hk45c_002.jpg This one has light LEM trigger and Heinie straight 8s. Super nice shooting pistol. EDIT: Holster is Comptac MTAC, makes carrying a breeze. Did you buy it as an lem or was it converted? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Looks like a V1 converted to LEM. To me. This is correct, it is a V1 converted to LEM. |