Posted: 1/11/2003 10:36:49 PM EDT
| I think this will be my next aquistion in handguns. I would like to hear some pro's and con's. Also, anybody have information on the P7M10 in .40 S&W? |
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They're very well made, they're very accurate, they're very expensive. That pretty sums up all of it right there. Mags for the .40 run about $100 each. It's not a light gun, but it's such a nice design that you can carry it pretty easily. The major problem with using one for CCW is finding a good holster. You pretty much have to order one. The operation of one is simple, and it really doesn't take that long to have figured out. It's sufficiently different (with the squeeze cocker and all) that you need to be aware of that if you plan on using it for defense. It's really not as hard as going from, say a M1911 to a Beretta (because of the safety difference). Once you have the P7 down, if you carry it, just shoot it frequently enough to "remember" what you're doing. The P7M10 is the same size as the P7M13. It has a much bigger grip, so if you have held one of those, you pretty much know what a M10 is like. The slide on the M10 is larger though. Larger enough to notice. I'd suggest you check one out in person, if you haven't done that yet, before ordering one off the net or something. The P7M10's value is just going to continue to climb, like all P7s. Although the price is a wallet breaker on the P7s, it's one of the few guns that's really worth it IMO. Ross |
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I have handled but not fired a P7 M8. It does have a nice feel to it and I would intend to use it as a carry gun as I do believe it is one of the safest. I am a bit reserved on the 9mm though, never really been fond of the ballistics. Maybe there are some new better performing loads on the market. I currently don't own a 9mm so I don't follow that market. I found that P7's are very expensive. Too bad they don't make them anymore. I could have picked up the one I looked at for around $850.00. That tell you how long ago this was. Still the gun intrigues me and I will buy one if the prices don't go much higher in the next 6 months. Thanks for the input. Chips |
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Chips, check out HK Pro for good info on the HK P7 series. The P7M13 9mm is not the same size as the production P7M10 .40S&W. The M10's slide is massive in comparison.   I have large hands, and the M13 feels BIG to me. The P7M8 handles great and is very concealable. I wish I had one again. |
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I've been carrying a P7M10 for almost 3 years now. It is quite a bit heavier than the M13 model, but the heavy slide slows down the cycling process quite a bit - it makes it much easier to keep on target. The M10 model does not have the same heat problems as the M8 and M13 models exhibit - I have run close to 500 rounds in a day in classes and never had any trouble. This included quite a bit of magazine dumping. The M10 's are getting quite a bit harder to find these days - I picked mine up as a 'steal' for 1k w/4 mags. These pistols are incredible. The operating system is fluid, the mag changes are lightning fast, and the grip angle is such that they point like they were made for your hand. If you pick up an M10 and decide you don't like it, let me know and I'll buy it off you. I've been looking for a backup to my existing M10 in case any parts break or anything like that. As far as parts breaking - I've put about 9,000 rounds through mine (and it was well used when I bought it) and so far the only thing I've had happen was the drop safety catch spring broke. Easy fix, and actually I sent it back to HK and they fixed it for free. The only con I've ever heard anyone say is that A) they're heavy (which they are - this ain't no plastic gun) and B) the M10 is ugly (I guess to each his own, but I do agree some of the aesthetics were missed when they beefed up the slide for the .40s/w round.) I prefer to think of the weight as a 'feature' - in case I run out of ammo, it can serve as a very nice "backup club". <G> I've been carrying mine in a IWB made by bladetech. Can't go wrong. Just make sure you have a nice strong belt that will support the weight. |
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Go to www.parkcitiestactical.com, at their "bulletin board" and learn a lot about the P7s. The P7M10s I've handled are very heavy, but would probably do well as a home defense gun. |
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Out of the 7 HKs I own, my P7 PSP is my personal favorite pistol. I have ordered a GPM but doubt it will outshine the P7. It is the 9mm but has no heat shield. 400 to 500 round sessions with someone else keeping my 3 mags fresh ( mags=$45.00 each )do seem to warm up the piece a little but come-on. How much comfort regarding heat is relavant in a self-defence situation. I have handed this piece to total novices. It's almost as though they CAN NOT MISS! They do not jam if maintained, accuracy is extreeme, no levers, buttons, hammers, etc. to snag. If you are willing to shop at more than one store for more than one day, easily holstered. I use an IWB Bianchi #100 size 9. A $1350.00 new, they are worth EVERY penny. I paid $460.00 used for mine. Again, shop smart. Someone with a low pain tolerance for a little bit of heat that can't buy a holster at Wallmart to fit it will most likely sell one to you at fire-sale prices. Find someone at the range that has one, try it, and then the quandry is over. You'll be hooked. |
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Yah Yah Yah, Holster=$38.00 retail Pistol=$1350.00 retail Pistol=around $1000.00 used Pistol=less than 5 hundies if you gat lucky like I did. I've seen them go ocasionally for $600.00 between dealers at gunshows. Get to know the tables, buy them some coffee and stay for the WHOLE show. You'll eventually find that Smokin'Deal. |
| By the way, my 14 year old son, not big for his age, started his pistol experience in I.D.P.A. with my P7 and faired quite well. Yah sure I'm proud of his performance but it is also testimony to the quality of the equipment. The P7 made it easy for him to do well. |