Posted: 1/2/2010 10:41:54 AM EDT
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CZ 75 SP-01 TACTICAL cal. 40 S&W, light rail, decocker, tritium sights, black polycoat
vs HK USP Tactical 40SW Which one should I buy first ? 
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| They are completely different pistols. The CZ is heavy but shoots real nice. You can usually see them at the gun shows for ~$400-450 (in very nice condition std 75 not Po1). I prefer the 9mm in the CZ frame. The HK... buy used. There are a ton available especially in the .40 cal. It is lighter for the size of weapon. The HK is harder to conceal and find holsters for. They are $700+ used in good condition. The Tactical does allow you to add a suppressor (the CZ not). The CZ is a great gun in the Crossbreed Holster (IWB). I really would not be afraid of either gun used because they are both built so well. The worst you'll ever find is a few scratches or a worn spring. Save your money and maybe get both sooner. Check out your local pawn shops too! |
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HK by a mile.
The only thing IMO a CZ has going for it is ergonomics and I used to say price, but they've gone up substantially in the last few years. It's lost on me why CZ's have the popularity they have. The 2 I had, without a doubt had THE worst triggers of any handgun I've ever owned. Extensive milling marks, painted-on finish, silly mag brake, etc. |
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HK by a mile. The only thing IMO a CZ has going for it is ergonomics and I used to say price, but they've gone up substantially in the last few years. It's lost on me why CZ's have the popularity they have. The 2 I had, without a doubt had THE worst triggers of any handgun I've ever owned. Extensive milling marks, painted-on finish, silly mag brake, etc. I don't doubt that they are decent pistols and many people seem to really love them. And that's great, everyone should be happy with their choice of handgun. But my guess is that price drives much of the popularity of the CZ. |
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HK by a mile. The only thing IMO a CZ has going for it is ergonomics and I used to say price, but they've gone up substantially in the last few years. It's lost on me why CZ's have the popularity they have. The 2 I had, without a doubt had THE worst triggers of any handgun I've ever owned. Extensive milling marks, painted-on finish, silly mag brake, etc. Its obvious you already made up your mind on the CZ. but you should understand that CZs are service guns, not wall hangers. yes they do make anniversary ed with nice finsihes and such, but those are special. They also made/make blued versions of some of the lineup too. I do feel that their bluing isnt as good as S&W or Colt, but any finish will vary. afa the "silly" mag break goes, there are 2 simple fixes. 1. either bend the one in the gun, or 2, order a drop free from CZ. also, some of teh CZs have the drop free installed. it will depend on what model. most/some people will agree with you with respect to the triggers, but imo, alot of people expect 2.5 # triggers with a nice crisp break from OTS guns. so, you cant plesse everyone and you are one of them. |
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Is CZ as reliable as HK ? I havent had enough experience with my SP01 to say for sure but the general consensus is CZ is pretty damn reliable. Ive had mine stovepipe on me but that was on the first mag through the gun with out me cleaning or oiling before I went to shoot it. I would go with the SP01. I LOVE HK but the CZ is such a great gun for the price. Granted it will be much heavier and have a non threaded barrel but the ergonomics... 
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HK by a mile. The only thing IMO a CZ has going for it is ergonomics and I used to say price, but they've gone up substantially in the last few years. It's lost on me why CZ's have the popularity they have. The 2 I had, without a doubt had THE worst triggers of any handgun I've ever owned. Extensive milling marks, painted-on finish, silly mag brake, etc. Its obvious you already made up your mind on the CZ. but you should understand that CZs are service guns, not wall hangers. yes they do make anniversary ed with nice finsihes and such, but those are special. They also made/make blued versions of some of the lineup too. I do feel that their bluing isnt as good as S&W or Colt, but any finish will vary. afa the "silly" mag break goes, there are 2 simple fixes. 1. either bend the one in the gun, or 2, order a drop free from CZ. also, some of teh CZs have the drop free installed. it will depend on what model. most/some people will agree with you with respect to the triggers, but imo, alot of people expect 2.5 # triggers with a nice crisp break from OTS guns. so, you cant plesse everyone and you are one of them. It's a practical blued finish. The finish is every bit as durable as the S&W. |
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I have a CZ 75 Compact in 9mm. It is one of my favorite handguns. I do not like the CZ decockers however. The double action pull is pretty stiff. I carry mine cocked and locked.
I have an H&K USP40. I like it, but it is not one of my favorites. However, my H&K has appreciated in value in the years I have had it ($100 +/-). My CZ has depreciated by about the same amount. Both guns have been reliable for me. The CZ is a carry gun for me. The H&K is too big to conceal and more of a home protection gun. |
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HK by a mile. The only thing IMO a CZ has going for it is ergonomics and I used to say price, but they've gone up substantially in the last few years. It's lost on me why CZ's have the popularity they have. The 2 I had, without a doubt had THE worst triggers of any handgun I've ever owned. Extensive milling marks, painted-on finish, silly mag brake, etc. Its obvious you already made up your mind on the CZ. but you should understand that CZs are service guns, not wall hangers. yes they do make anniversary ed with nice finsihes and such, but those are special. They also made/make blued versions of some of the lineup too. I do feel that their bluing isnt as good as S&W or Colt, but any finish will vary. afa the "silly" mag break goes, there are 2 simple fixes. 1. either bend the one in the gun, or 2, order a drop free from CZ. also, some of teh CZs have the drop free installed. it will depend on what model. most/some people will agree with you with respect to the triggers, but imo, alot of people expect 2.5 # triggers with a nice crisp break from OTS guns. so, you cant plesse everyone and you are one of them. It's a practical blued finish. The finish is every bit as durable as the S&W. my frist CZ was/is a blued one and within the first year, the bluing on the back strap has worn thin. Its still there, but you can tell its thinning. non of my other blued guns show that. To me tho,it doesnt matter since i still love the gun(s) and it is still one of my fav 9s. i also understand that its just a finish and with any finish, it can wear. |
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I was blessed with borrowing one of each before buying, went CZ because I have CZ hands with magic natural point/shoot. If the HK had such a natural, idiot proof aiming grip fit, I would have probably ponied up for it due to minor preference for the safety selections.
My 75 and 97 have been very reliable for many years, as long as I do not rest the factory 25rnd mag when running a course with the 75. And CZ has a nice Kadet kit for cheap practice with the actual duty frame/trigger 
Yes, CZ has a bad run in recent years on some trigger pulls. But the possible trigger rework is still less than the HK cost. |
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If you are going to buy both without a doubt, then buy the one that has "scary features", and thus is at the most risk of being banned. That is always my philosophy if they can both fill the same role.
If you buy in that respect, the USP Tactical is the one you get. |
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I prefer the CZs, but that's my personal preference. The CZ fits in my hand a hell of a lot more naturally than the HK. In my experience, admittedly limited, CZ has actually beaten HK in reliability as well.
I used to down an HK USP Compact and an HK USP fullsize, both in 9mm. The USPC was very reliable. If I ever had any malfunctions, they were very few. The USP fullsize on the other hand I had a very disappointing number of failures. I eventually ended up selling both. Of all the CZ pistols I've had and have, I've never had one give me any problems. |
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I prefer the CZs, but that's my personal preference. The CZ fits in my hand a hell of a lot more naturally than the HK. In my experience, admittedly limited, CZ has actually beaten HK in reliability as well. I used to down an HK USP Compact and an HK USP fullsize, both in 9mm. The USPC was very reliable. If I ever had any malfunctions, they were very few. The USP fullsize on the other hand I had a very disappointing number of failures. I eventually ended up selling both. Of all the CZ pistols I've had and have, I've never had one give me any problems. Could you please explain ? |
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I prefer the CZs, but that's my personal preference. The CZ fits in my hand a hell of a lot more naturally than the HK. In my experience, admittedly limited, CZ has actually beaten HK in reliability as well. I used to down an HK USP Compact and an HK USP fullsize, both in 9mm. The USPC was very reliable. If I ever had any malfunctions, they were very few. The USP fullsize on the other hand I had a very disappointing number of failures. I eventually ended up selling both. Of all the CZ pistols I've had and have, I've never had one give me any problems. Could you please explain ? I took the liberty of highlighting the part that says "In my experience" as well. "In my experience", as in, with the experiences I have with HK pistols and the experiences I have with CZ pistols, the CZs have been more reliable. I also said "admittedly limited", because while I have experience with a whole lot of CZ pistols, most of my experience HK experience is between those two USPs that I owned. I currently have three CZ 75s, including an SP-01, and one more on the way. I've also had two in the past that I sold. All were incredibly reliable, failures have been an extreme rarity. In the short time I had my fullsize USP, it had more failures than some of my CZs have had in their lifetime. I believe my SP-01 has been 100% so far. ETA: Since this thread is referencing a USP, I wasn't really thinking about my P7s. I have a PSP and a P7M8, and they have both been 100% reliable. |
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ETA: Since this thread is referencing a USP, I wasn't really thinking about my P7s. I have a PSP and a P7M8, and they have both been 100% reliable. I used to have a USP... wouldn't feed certain JHPs, but it was 100% with FMJ. My P7 is 100% with everything so far. My standard 75B is 100% as well - my 75 TS, a customized racegun, is near 100% if fed the proper bullet profile (it's a .40, and will NOT reliably feed TC profiles; rounder FP and JHP profiles feed fine). |