Posted: 4/28/2015 5:47:45 PM EDT
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I've got my first Glock ever (a 19) and I took it to the range for the first time today. Here's the background, I didn't buy the gun whole. I bought all the components over the course of a few months and put it all together. While I was gathering all the parts I was learning about the Glock platform and I think I got a little dazzled by all the shiney things on the market. I figured a $0.25 trigger job couldn't hurt and hey, while I've got it all apart anyway, let's try one of these Zev Tech V4 race connectors and an extra power reset spring.
Fast forward to the range. Damn she shoots fast! Too fast. Felt like I wasn't always in control of the second or third round. A few times it even seemed to fire as the trigger was resetting. Not cool for an EDC. I still have all the original parts, and I know some of you will say put them in and don't look back. And I may end up doing just that. But before I touch anything what are some of the other options? Stock connector and heavy reset spring? Zev connector and stock spring? Can the connector be "tuned" at all? All advice is welcome but please try to limit the "I told you so's" even if I do deserve it. |
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I've got my first Glock ever (a 19) and I took it to the range for the first time today. Here's the background, I didn't buy the gun whole. I bought all the components over the course of a few months and put it all together. While I was gathering all the parts I was learning about the Glock platform and I think I got a little dazzled by all the shiney things on the market. I figured a $0.25 trigger job couldn't hurt and hey, while I've got it all apart anyway, let's try one of these Zev Tech V4 race connectors and an extra power reset spring. Fast forward to the range. Damn she shoots fast! Too fast. Felt like I wasn't always in control of the second or third round. A few times it even seemed to fire as the trigger was resetting. Not cool for an EDC. I still have all the original parts, and I know some of you will say put them in and don't look back. And I may end up doing just that. But before I touch anything what are some of the other options? Stock connector and heavy reset spring? Zev connector and stock spring? Can the connector be "tuned" at all? All advice is welcome but please try to limit the "I told you so's" even if I do deserve it. You should be able to run the parts you mentioned with zero issues assuming they were all installed correctly and the gun was put back together correctly. Sounds like you may have went a bit overboard with the polish job and maybe took too much material off somewhere along the way. |
| I'd be surprised if the polish job is the culprit. I hand polished using only a Q-tip and compound because I didn't trust myself with the Dremel. But I was contemplating replacing the serrated G19 trigger with the G17 smooth trigger just for comfort. That would eliminate one variable. |
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What exactly is the problem? I don't know what shooting "too fast" means and you said it "seems to fire" while you're resetting the trigger? Is it firing as you release the trigger or not? I know you requested no smartass responses so I'll attempt not to give one, but if this is your first Glock and you're not familiar with the design, it might not be the best idea to be assembling one and modifying aftermarket parts...
More constructive part of my reply: did you check trigger engagement with the firing pin? Insufficient trigger bar engagement could cause the gun to fire while releasing the trigger. I would also suggest as mentioned above to install all stock, unmodified parts and see if the problems persist. If not try swapping parts one at a time to identify the culprit. Which parts did you polish? |
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Thanks for all the feed back. To answer some of the questions raised, while I would never think for a moment that I am beyond additional training, I am not a new shooter and this is not my first firearm. I understand the short reset and that the Glock trigger is something to be learned. My biggest mistake was finger f*cking the internals before ever firing the gun in its original form. I have used aftermarket parts but they have not been modified in any way. I feel that the combination of parts, polishing, or whatever else that I have put together here has dropped the reset so low that I don't feel I'm safely controlling the trigger. I only put one box of ammo through it because I had obvious problems that needed to be addressed. A few times it did seem as if the gun fired as the trigger was being let out on the reset.
I intend to 're-install the original connector and reset spring, shoot it to see how it goes, and then replace one part at a time until the problem re-occurs. Someone also mentioned checking the trigger engagement with the firing pin. That's something I never thought of. How would I go about doing that? One other valid point that was raised questioned the idea of buying my first Glock in pieces. I couldn't agree with you more. However, here in the Socialist Peoples Republic of Massachusetts, you can't buy anything not on the AG's Approved Weapons Roster. The only way to get a Glock was to buy the frame from a gunsmith and then piece the rest of it together yourself. That finally changed just this past February when they released a revised list that Glock is now on. It didn't do me any good as I started this project last November. |
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Thanks for all the feed back. To answer some of the questions raised, while I would never think for a moment that I am beyond additional training, I am not a new shooter and this is not my first firearm. I understand the short reset and that the Glock trigger is something to be learned. My biggest mistake was finger f*cking the internals before ever firing the gun in its original form. I have used aftermarket parts but they have not been modified in any way. I feel that the combination of parts, polishing, or whatever else that I have put together here has dropped the reset so low that I don't feel I'm safely controlling the trigger. I only put one box of ammo through it because I had obvious problems that needed to be addressed. A few times it did seem as if the gun fired as the trigger was being let out on the reset. I intend to 're-install the original connector and reset spring, shoot it to see how it goes, and then replace one part at a time until the problem re-occurs. Someone also mentioned checking the trigger engagement with the firing pin. That's something I never thought of. How would I go about doing that? One other valid point that was raised questioned the idea of buying my first Glock in pieces. I couldn't agree with you more. However, here in the Socialist Peoples Republic of Massachusetts, you can't buy anything not on the AG's Approved Weapons Roster. The only way to get a Glock was to buy the frame from a gunsmith and then piece the rest of it together yourself. That finally changed just this past February when they released a revised list that Glock is now on. It didn't do me any good as I started this project last November. What you're describing sounds like a connector issue although I've never heard of the Zev V4 connector causing this. I have seen quite a few people complain about this issue with Ghost connectors though. Would be willing to bet your problem goes away by swapping that out. Again, this is assuming you installed the parts and re assembled the gun correctly. |
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I feel that the combination of parts, polishing, or whatever else that I have put together here has dropped the reset so low that I don't feel I'm safely controlling the trigger. I only put one box of ammo through it because I had obvious problems that needed to be addressed. A few times it did seem as if the gun fired as the trigger was being let out on the reset. Quoted:
I feel that the combination of parts, polishing, or whatever else that I have put together here has dropped the reset so low that I don't feel I'm safely controlling the trigger. I only put one box of ammo through it because I had obvious problems that needed to be addressed. A few times it did seem as if the gun fired as the trigger was being let out on the reset. You said you didn't modify parts, yet you polished some of the internals? The aftermarket parts that you mentioned installing do not change the reset length, so I'm still confused about what the actual problem is. Did the gun fire while releasing the trigger or not? You again said it "seemed" as if it did, maybe have a Glock certified armorer look at it/shoot it to see if there's anything wrong with it. Quoted:
Someone also mentioned checking the trigger engagement with the firing pin. That's something I never thought of. How would I go about doing that? To check trigger bar engagement you need a different backplate and knowledge of how Glock internals function; I would not recommend you do this yourself. Have a Glock certified armorer take a look at it. This is why I wouldn't recommend someone not very familiar with Glocks assemble one from parts. While most of the time it'll work fine, it's not quite as easy as just slapping a bunch of parts together and assuming they'll all work fine. And I certainly understand the issues of living in a ban state, I used to live in one so know how you feel. If my only way to acquire my first Glock were to build it from parts I guess I'd do the same, but as I said I would recommend you have a Glock armorer take a look at it to make sure it's functioning properly. |
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Finally had the opportunity to get back to the range. Wanting to work with one part at a time to try and isolate the problem, I started with the connector just because it's easier to pop in and out than the reset spring. So, stock (polished) trigger, stock connector, and Zev Tech heavy reset spring and I was happy enough with the results to just stop right there. Reset was positive every time and I felt that I controlled every shot. I'm going to leave it like this for several hundred rounds, both for break in purposes and to let me really learn the trigger. Maybe down the road I'll play with the V4 connector again.
Thanks for all the advice. |
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Finally had the opportunity to get back to the range. Wanting to work with one part at a time to try and isolate the problem, I started with the connector just because it's easier to pop in and out than the reset spring. So, stock (polished) trigger, stock connector, and Zev Tech heavy reset spring and I was happy enough with the results to just stop right there. Reset was positive every time and I felt that I controlled every shot. I'm going to leave it like this for several hundred rounds, both for break in purposes and to let me really learn the trigger. Maybe down the road I'll play with the V4 connector again. Thanks for all the advice. This is exactly how I run my carry pistol just the reset spring replaced. It is the one improvement I wish Glock would make to the stock trigger and it would make the Glock trigger on par with the PPQ\VP9 triggers. The stock one just leaves it mushy and clunky. |