Posted: 3/3/2017 4:45:04 PM EDT
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I'm totally new to CZ pistols, and their website has a dizzying array of pistols and options.
I usually carry a Glock 26, Kahr CM9 or an LCP. I've owned or own SIG, HK USP, Beretta 92FS and a few S&W DA/SA pistols, but I'm baffled by the CZ offerings. Does CZ offer a model that has both a safety and decocker, like HK USP Variant I and II? Where I can carry cocked and locked, or decocked and safety engaged (or not). Do decock models work like SIG? No safety, 1st shot DA, rest of them SA unless I decock. Or if I choose a safety model and do not carry in SA, do I have to decock manually? Is that even safe to do? Also, which models have ambi safety / decockers? |
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The decocker models are just like Sig pistols. No manual safety, DA/SA with decocker.
The "standard" models have a safety to carry cocked-and-locked if you chose, but they still have a DA/SA mechanism, so you can manually drop the hammer to put them into DA mode. Essentially like the H&Ks you are familiar with but you have to manually thumb the hammer down. And yes it is safe to do so, you block the firing pin with your thumb as you ease the hammer down, and once it's down, they have a firing pin block like most modern pistols so they are "drop-safe" with the hammer down. There are also some SAO special models with manual safety that work just like a 1911. And then the Omega series that can be user converted from DA/SA with safety or with decocker only by swapping parts. |
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The short answers to your questions are No, Yes, Yes.
CZ does not have any pistols that have a dual function safety AND decocker in one mechanism. The Omega trigger guns can be converted between safety and decocker, but not at the same time. Yes, it will work like the Sig. Carry in a "half cocked" or decocked position. First pull is DA, subsequent pulls are SA. On Safety models, you would have to decock manually, presumably to the half-cock position, not necessarily all the way down. It can be done, I do not feel it is safe. Some others may disagree with that. |
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I've lowered the hammer manually on my SP01 thousands of times. The ring hammer makes it easy. Block it with your thumb, pull the trigger, roll the thumb away.
I do it in gun games and have to take the hammer all the way down. If you're carrying, you can just go to half cock which is even easier. |
| Yes, decocking manually is safe, just need to thinking about what you're doing, don't get complacent. And I wouldn't recommend doing it one-handed either. Can it be done, certainly. But it's safer to grab hold of the hammer with a thumb and finger of your support hand. |
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The decocker models are just like Sig pistols. No manual safety, DA/SA with decocker. The "standard" models have a safety to carry cocked-and-locked if you chose, but they still have a DA/SA mechanism, so you can manually drop the hammer to put them into DA mode. Essentially like the H&Ks you are familiar with but you have to manually thumb the hammer down. And yes it is safe to do so, you block the firing pin with your thumb as you ease the hammer down, and once it's down, they have a firing pin block like most modern pistols so they are "drop-safe" with the hammer down. There are also some SAO special models with manual safety that work just like a 1911. And then the Omega series that can be user converted from DA/SA with safety or with decocker only by swapping parts. FPB is deactivated by the .... trigger. Which you pulled to lower the hammer..... so yeah, use the half cock position to keep it drop safe if you insist on decocking a safety equipped gun that has a chambered round, a practice I feel to be pointless and possibly dangerous due to people getting complacent. I was a Sig guy for a long long time, and my now third CZ (P07) which is my EDC started life as a decocker model. I've since switched out the decocker for the safety, as I prefer the consistent and awesome trigger in SA (it has full Cajun internals), and future CZ pattern guns I'll likely buy, as well as 1911's, are condition 1 guns. |
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I'm totally new to CZ pistols, and their website has a dizzying array of pistols and options. I usually carry a Glock 26, Kahr CM9 or an LCP. I've owned or own SIG, HK USP, Beretta 92FS and a few S&W DA/SA pistols, but I'm baffled by the CZ offerings. Does CZ offer a model that has both a safety and decocker, like HK USP Variant I and II? Where I can carry cocked and locked, or decocked and safety engaged (or not). Do decock models work like SIG? No safety, 1st shot DA, rest of them SA unless I decock. Or if I choose a safety model and do not carry in SA, do I have to decock manually? Is that even safe to do? Also, which models have ambi safety / decockers? AFAIK no option offers both SA/DA w/ cocked and Locked Function AND decocker. CZ-85 and CZ-82 are ambidextrous. CZ75 Shadow SA is SAO, cocked locked (No DA.) Most other CZ's, CZ 75, 85, 97, 82, 83, P-01/P-06/P-07/P-11 are all DA/SA with safety. You can choose between hammer down/halfcock, or cocked and locked. Most all of these firearms have the option to be a de-cocker (Usually annotated with a D in the model name i.e. CZ-75BD) but this usually negates your ability to have a safety. ETA: I have carried a CZ-75 and a CZ-82 and I release the hammer with the trigger quite frequently. Its important to understand where the half cock stops. I pull the hammer back all the way with thumb and hold, pull trigger, ride hammer forward slow. |
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FPB is deactivated by the .... trigger. Which you pulled to lower the hammer..... so yeah, use the half cock position to keep it drop safe if you insist on decocking a safety equipped gun that has a chambered round, a practice I feel to be pointless and possibly dangerous due to people getting complacent. I was a Sig guy for a long long time, and my now third CZ (P07) which is my EDC started life as a decocker model. I've since switched out the decocker for the safety, as I prefer the consistent and awesome trigger in SA (it has full Cajun internals), and future CZ pattern guns I'll likely buy, as well as 1911's, are condition 1 guns. As for decocking without a lever, I block the hammer with my thumb and roll it out. Do whatever you want, but a decocker isn't necessarily safer if the hammer bumps off the decock notch (rare but possible). With my thumb there, the hammer would have to go through it. |