Posted: 1/25/2009 7:46:58 AM EDT
| I find that putting my CCW at about 9:00 ( I am right handed using a right-handed holster) makes it much easier to reach and draw. Also, it is more comfortable when seated in the truck. Do many folks to this? |
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It's not too common for concealed carry, I don't think, except for folks who have to spend a great deal of time behind the wheel. This would be the only real advantage, in my opinion.
Not common because of some disadvantages. For example, in a "contact distance fight", there is an opportunity for your attacker to "pin" your gun arm against you as you draw, preventing you from actually drawing and engaging. And it's generally a slower, more cumbersome draw, even if only slightly so. Also, at high speed, it's very easy to accidentally sweep with the muzzle things you don't want to destroy, such as bystanders, and your own non-dominant arm. For this reason, it's sometimes not allowed in classes/ranges/competitions. |
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I find that putting my CCW at about 9:00 ( I am right handed using a right-handed holster) makes it much easier to reach and draw. Also, it is more comfortable when seated in the truck. Do many folks to this? While comfortable, many feel there are some major retention issues with carrying in a cross draw, as it puts your gun in a very handy position to be grabbed by an assailant. An old, but good, book that demonstrates the advantages/disadvantages of different carry methods is "No Second Place Winner" By Bill Jordan. |
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<...> Everyone thinks someone can grab your gun but nobody can produce any documentation that it has ever happened – outside of Hollywood I don't know if you are serious or not, but it has happened (and been documented) many, many, many, times. In the last month I have read 6 stories of bad guys having their own weapon turned against them. (I am not talking about someone who is OC being targetted for weapon theft.) |
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I find that putting my CCW at about 9:00 ( I am right handed using a right-handed holster) makes it much easier to reach and draw. Also, it is more comfortable when seated in the truck. Do many folks to this? While comfortable, many feel there are some major retention issues with carrying in a cross draw, as it puts your gun in a very handy position to be grabbed by an assailant. An old, but good, book that demonstrates the advantages/disadvantages of different carry methods is "No Second Place Winner" By Bill Jordan. Absolutely. Good point, and good book! |
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Thanks. Some good points here.
I think for me the most important is the accidentally sweep, with the muzzle, of things I do not wish to destroy. As for retention, I always carry concealed so I don't believe that anyone would know I have a gun until my hand is on it. I did come up with one minor other negative; with the gun/holster on my left it partially blocks quick access to the knife that I normally have in my left pocket. |
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Thanks. Some good points here. I think for me the most important is the accidentally sweep, with the muzzle, of things I do not wish to destroy. As for retention, I always carry concealed so I don't believe that anyone would know I have a gun until my hand is on it. I did come up with one minor other negative; with the gun/holster on my left it partially blocks quick access to the knife that I normally have in my left pocket. Have you thought about Appendix IWB (1 o'clock) carry? For driving, it is still easily accessible and during Force on Force scenarios at gunfighting schools, it has proven to be faster to draw than traditional 4 o'clock carry. I find nothing wrong with crossdraw carry either. It's just as fast IMO. The grip has always printed so I never carried there. Revolvers carry a bit better. carrying concealed, there should be no worry about a gun grab. At close distances, you will be fighting off an attacker with your non dominant hand anyway. And with regard to the "lasering" people during draw, sometimes that is going to happen, even drawing from a 4 o'clock carry in a car will laser yourself. That's why you keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot. There are real gunfighting schools that allow crossdraw carry for training and those are the ones I would seek out. Too many are stuck in the old square range world of thinking that will not work in real world encounters. |
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I actually carry with a left handed holster at around 2, 2:30 and am right handed. I have to turn my hand around to draw, but it is more comfortable, does not print as much, and gives me the option of drawing left handed if I have to. WHAT?  you mean you can't shoot your gun upside down and pull the trigger w/ your pinky, what are you doing here! |
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I guess the easiest way to explain it is picture the old west style carry where the holsters are worn backwards. You see the butt of the gun when you look at the guy. I carry that way, and draw from that same side.
So the gun is in a crossdraw type holster on my strong side and I draw from my strong side. This allows me to draw the gun with either hand, but I have the benifits of a strong side carry. Plus it hides easier and is more comfortable when seated. |
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It is the only way I carry IWB. Nobody can 'pin' my arm, I don't leave it exposed… Everyone thinks someone can grab your gun but nobody can produce any documentation that it has ever happened – outside of Hollywood  Please post some video of you and a friend in a face to face (pretend) grappling fight. Give the bad guy a red marker to simulate a knife. With an unloaded gun and no ammo in the room or a red gun or an airsoft gun, show us your technique for accessing your crossdraw holstered gun quickly and efficiently while; 1. Standing up with bad guy giving you a bear hug. 2. On the ground on your back with bad guy on top. 3. On the ground with you on top of the bad guy. I'm always eager to learn something new. Gringop |
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I guess the easiest way to explain it is picture the old west style carry where the holsters are worn backwards. You see the butt of the gun when you look at the guy. I carry that way, and draw from that same side. So the gun is in a crossdraw type holster on my strong side and I draw from my strong side. This allows me to draw the gun with either hand, but I have the benifits of a strong side carry. Plus it hides easier and is more comfortable when seated. WHAT instructor taught you that THIS was a good idea? |
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Quoted: I think for me the most important is the accidentally sweep, with the muzzle, of things I do not wish to destroy. Do you honestly believe this is a serious issue when you're in a fight for your life? I don't carry crossdraw but I often carry in a horizontal shoulder holster and often get the "You're sweeping everyone in the room!" argument. Let me address it once again. If I'm drawing my gun and the BG is not within arm's reach no bystanders are in danger from me sweeping them. Why? First I'm practiced and trained and my finger is not on the trigger until the sights are lined up with the BG. I also do NOT carry weapons that can discharge before the trigger is pulled. Second, if I'm drawing my gun it means there's a BG present with a deadly weapon, the bystanders are in far more danger if I do NOT draw my weapon and let him continue on whatever deadly course he's following, then if I DO draw my weapon and momentarily sweep them, with my finger OFF the trigger, as I line the sights up. Sweeping during the draw is a non issue. On the other hand, if I'm drawing my gun and the BG is within arms reach of me chances are good we're going to be in a physical encounter as well as a gun fight, in that circumstance it's very likely that, in the ensuing wrestling match, EVERYONE is going to be swept by both weapons. Again, sweeping during the draw becomes a non issue. To me this is a just as big a non issue as over penetration is as it pertains to a deadly encounter. In fact, it's worse than a non issue, it's a distraction that can turn into a deadly distraction. This isnt a range trip or a training session, you ARE in a fight for your life and whether they know it or not, so is everyone within shooting distance of a BG. Allow yourself to be distracted by non issues and you raise the chance of being that "second place winner". |