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1/13/2008 1:06:09 AM EDT
I'm thinking it's about time to replace it... What round count should it be at?

G36
.45ACP
1/13/2008 4:29:02 AM EDT
[#1]
I replace mine at 5000 rounds and I'm not even certain that is necessary.
1/13/2008 4:31:14 AM EDT
[#2]
I go by Wolff Springs' guidelines:  If your pistol is ejecting brass farther than about 8', then you need a new/stronger recoil spring.  There is no magical number of rounds that require a spring change.
1/13/2008 10:18:22 AM EDT
[#3]

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....... What round count should it be at?....



Glock's un-official guide is you should replace it every 4k rds. But as Reaganstein
pointed out if it is tossing the brass everywhere and/or fails the vertical g/rod spring
test, replace it.

As a note: I have 2 G17 from 1986 and both function fine, both have the non-captured
g/rod spring assembly. Both fail the vertical test.


1/13/2008 1:26:15 PM EDT
[#4]
What is the test?
1/13/2008 2:47:51 PM EDT
[#5]
The test is this.  Shoot your gun.  If it shoots fine don't mess with it.
1/13/2008 4:09:34 PM EDT
[#6]

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What is the test?


After you make SURE it is unloaded, point it toward the celing and pull the trigger. Holding the trigger to the rear, pull the slide back as far as you can and SLOWLEY let it forward. If it closes all the way it is ok, if not replace it....


1/13/2008 4:19:43 PM EDT
[#7]

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What is the test?


After you make SURE it is unloaded, point it toward the celing and pull the trigger. Holding the trigger to the rear, pull the slide back as far as you can and SLOWLEY let it forward. If it closes all the way it is ok, if not replace it....




I'm really surprised that YOU didn't add the disclaimer, that the test is not actually a test, and it proves nothing of value.  And that some Glocks even fail the test, brand new out of the box.
1/13/2008 8:04:59 PM EDT
[#8]

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What is the test?


After you make SURE it is unloaded, point it toward the celing and pull the trigger. Holding the trigger to the rear, pull the slide back as far as you can and SLOWLEY let it forward. If it closes all the way it is ok, if not replace it....



HotRod is correct that is the way to test them.
1/13/2008 8:59:16 PM EDT
[#9]

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What is the test?


After you make SURE it is unloaded, point it toward the celing and pull the trigger. Holding the trigger to the rear, pull the slide back as far as you can and SLOWLEY let it forward. If it closes all the way it is ok, if not replace it....



HotRod is correct that is the way to test them.


On what do you base your statement on?  Just wondering, because a retired Master Glock Armorer disagrees.


1/13/2008 9:06:39 PM EDT
[#10]

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What is the test?


After you make SURE it is unloaded, point it toward the celing and pull the trigger. Holding the trigger to the rear, pull the slide back as far as you can and SLOWLEY let it forward. If it closes all the way it is ok, if not replace it....



HotRod is correct that is the way to test them.


On what do you base your statement on?  Just wondering, because a retired Master Glock Armorer disagrees.

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1/14/2008 2:38:45 AM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
What is the test?


After you make SURE it is unloaded, point it toward the celing and pull the trigger. Holding the trigger to the rear, pull the slide back as far as you can and SLOWLEY let it forward. If it closes all the way it is ok, if not replace it....




I'm really surprised that YOU didn't add the disclaimer, that the test is not actually a test, and it proves nothing of value.  And that some Glocks even fail the test, brand new out of the box.


He actually did, in his prior post. (At least I took it that way)

Thanks for the assistance guys.
None of them 'fail' the test... But I'll stick to live fire for function.
1/14/2008 4:20:56 AM EDT
[#12]
I'm disappointed that ol' Frank used bad grammar.  That should have been neither "is"....  I still think the Wolff Springs' "test" makes more sense.  
1/14/2008 4:30:56 AM EDT
[#13]

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I'm disappointed that ol' Frank used bad grammar.  That should have been neither "is"....  I still think the Wolff Springs' "test" makes more sense.  


I also disagree with the Wolff test.  The reason being, I personally bought a well used G17L with a worn out spring.  The brass would barely dribble out of the chamber and land by my right foot.  I put a new spring in it, and the brass started flying out like any other of my Glocks.  I put the worn out spring in another Glock, and it had the same effect.  The brass would barely dribble out, so that tells me, the symptom wasn't specific to the G17L.  You could tell the spring was worn out, by how easily you could rack the slide with it installed.  And oh yeah, it failed the "test".  But the guns still shot perfectly.  They just didn't eject the brass as far.
1/14/2008 6:42:46 AM EDT
[#14]

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.....a retired Master Glock Armorer disagrees.....

Just a little FYI, Frank wrote the first Glock Armorers manual and still teaches
the vertical test in class (with a disclaimer of course)




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....He actually did....

Correct



Most of the factory armorers still use the test. It is no big deal for Glock Inc. to
replace a few g/rod & springs if they fail. It gives people watching something to

over.

1/14/2008 11:55:22 AM EDT
[#15]

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I'm disappointed that ol' Frank used bad grammar.  That should have been neither "is"....  I still think the Wolff Springs' "test" makes more sense.  


I also disagree with the Wolff test.  The reason being, I personally bought a well used G17L with a worn out spring.  The brass would barely dribble out of the chamber and land by my right foot.  I put a new spring in it, and the brass started flying out like any other of my Glocks.  I put the worn out spring in another Glock, and it had the same effect.  The brass would barely dribble out, so that tells me, the symptom wasn't specific to the G17L.  You could tell the spring was worn out, by how easily you could rack the slide with it installed.  And oh yeah, it failed the "test".  But the guns still shot perfectly.  They just didn't eject the brass as far.



Every-now-and-then, somebody'll post an exception to the laws of physics.  I have no explanation for that!
1/14/2008 12:19:02 PM EDT
[#16]

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Quoted:
I'm disappointed that ol' Frank used bad grammar.  That should have been neither "is"....  I still think the Wolff Springs' "test" makes more sense.  


I also disagree with the Wolff test.  The reason being, I personally bought a well used G17L with a worn out spring.  The brass would barely dribble out of the chamber and land by my right foot.  I put a new spring in it, and the brass started flying out like any other of my Glocks.  I put the worn out spring in another Glock, and it had the same effect.  The brass would barely dribble out, so that tells me, the symptom wasn't specific to the G17L.  You could tell the spring was worn out, by how easily you could rack the slide with it installed.  And oh yeah, it failed the "test".  But the guns still shot perfectly.  They just didn't eject the brass as far.



Every-now-and-then, somebody'll post an exception to the laws of physics.  I have no explanation for that!


If you would like, send me a PM with your mailing address.  I will send you said recoil spring assembly on my dime.  I still have it in a baggy of broken/worn parts that I was going to swap out at the next GSSF function.  But they never come around here.  And I bet you can't cite the physics principal that supports your claim.  As a matter of fact, there are other recoil spring vendors, that contradict what Wolff says on their website.
1/19/2008 1:28:45 PM EDT
[#17]
thanks for the info on the "test" that is a new one on me, and i will have to use that in the future. i personally replace mine at 5k.
1/19/2008 1:37:46 PM EDT
[#18]
If you are going to change get a ss steel guide rod assembly while you are at it. I don't like plastic for that particular part even though it has never given me any problems. I just wanted metal and more weight up front....ymmv.