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4/10/2006 7:40:44 PM EDT
Just seen a story on the local news that Indiana State Police are trading in their Glock 22's for Glock 17's. They had carried Berreta 92G's since about early 1990's.?

They were citing "problems" with the new pistols from design changes and the manufacturer could not solve the issues so they were going to the "higher capacity Glock 17's"....blah....blah.....and so on trumped up news lingo without saying anything.

Anyhow, anyone have any idea what the design changes that Glock made since the ISP received these so called "problem" 22's? Or what issues they could be citing?

Just curious,
4/10/2006 7:47:25 PM EDT
[#1]
I wish I did.  Russ at Elmore's mentioned it the other day when I was in there.  That was the first I'd heard of it.  I'd really like to know what the issue was.  I've carried my G22 for 7.5 years and have never had a problem with it.
4/10/2006 8:02:19 PM EDT
[#2]
I do know Glock has been having problems with the trigger bars, but I thought it was just with the G21 & G30. I did talk with a dealer that had some new G22s that the #3.5 connector would not work in. Maybe Glock is trying to re-design the trigger bar so you can't use the #3.5???  I've seen several of the defective trigger bars. Let me do some digging.  
4/10/2006 8:59:32 PM EDT
[#3]
I read that there were some feed problems with an M3 light attached. Something about the flexing of the frame during recoil. I have five 22's never had a problem with an M3 or X200, or any problem period. Guess I am lucky.
4/10/2006 10:26:49 PM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
I read that there were some feed problems with an M3 light attached. Something about the flexing of the frame during recoil. I have five 22's never had a problem with an M3 or X200, or any problem period. Guess I am lucky.



The tactical light problem was easily solved with a mag spring with 10% more power.
4/11/2006 2:19:27 PM EDT
[#5]
Locking block issues, apparently. Here is a link to a thread in GT about the situation.

www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=522065

ETA that after reading the entire thread and some other info, it appears that neither Glock nor anyone else knows WTF is going on with these G22's except...maybe..."frame flexing"...or maybe not.
4/11/2006 6:26:31 PM EDT
[#6]
Like the above posts I too have had "0" problems with my G22's over the years. My only issue earlier was the dented brass making it a little more work to reload.

I didn't see any of ISP using lights on their Glocks in the report.? Sounds like the "frame flexing" issue since everyone involved is stumped.

??
4/11/2006 6:34:35 PM EDT
[#7]
Not sure where this animated GIF originated but its posted in GD. If it hasnt been photochopped you can actualy see the flex in the dust cover of a glock large frame.

4/14/2006 8:16:28 AM EDT
[#8]
As originally posted in another post.

My department recently (a month ago) began the transition to the Glock 22. The first group of officers to begin transtioning had an approximately 35% malfuntion rate during training. The malfunction was a failure to feed when the bullet face was nose diving into the feed ramp. This was using both practice and duty (Gold Dot 165 gr. and later Gold Dot 180 gr.) ammunition.
It was originally blamed on the weapon light (Streamlight M3X) that were mounted on all of the weapons. Several thousand more rounds were slowly put down range assited with numerous tap, rack and fire malfunction clearings all with the flashlights taken off.
After contacting Glock, it was discovered that as of December '05 they began a new production of frames on all Glocks produced. This is the "H" series. The new production has imbedded a larger serial number plate into the dust cover just in front of the trigger gaurd where it is normally located. Now that it is imbedded it has adversely stiffened the frame. From what we have gathered the frame need to have some flex for the .40 S&W to function properly in the Glock 22 platform.
The question of the frame change having and affect on the Glock 17 was addressed also by our armoror. After purchasing an "H" series Glock 17 and firing 1200 rounds through it in less than an hour fresh out of the box (no cleaning, lubing or modifications) using everything he had on hand from 67 gr. Aguila to 147 gr. Sub-Sonic loads there was not one single malfunction. This was done both using a mounted Xiphos flashlight and no flashlight mounted. He was quoted as saying, "I just couldn't get the damn thing to stop running." We both agreed that this was a good thing in light of our recent quandary we are in.
Our current band-aid for the Glock 22 is using Winchester Ranger duty ammunition. During training it was found that the Ranger ammuntion feeds reliably enough as far as the administration is concerned. We have numerous officers currently on the street carrying a weapon they have no confidence in. Several have purchased and carry their own Glock 22 of the previous series. One tactical officer who was recently involved in a shooting using his former duty weapon has asked, and was given permission to carry his former duty weapon until the time when the transition is complete and he has no choice other than carry the Glock 22 or when the problem is remedied in an acceptable manner.