Posted: 10/24/2008 5:01:35 PM EDT
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First of all, congratulations on the buy. Second, thank you for immediately posting pictures, not to mention good quality ones. I have browsed the net a few times to find nothing if not crap pictures of clones with respect to a bonafide Pro. Feel free to spam this thread with more if you get a chance. Third, as an owner of such a collection of 1911s it would be a great service to all of us (should you have the time) if you'd do a writeup of your impressions of the pistol compared to your favorite Brown and Baer - say fit, finish, performance, etc. |
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First of all, congratulations. That's a great looking 1911. I can't wait to have one of my own. Hopefully some time next year, as I have one on order. One thing I question is about the building part.
They say when they are being built, the builders have no idea whether that pistol is going to an FBI agent or a civilian. They also say, the leftovers are the ones sold to civilians. Well, only the FBI agents get "FBI" prefix on the SN, as DoubleARon mentioned. Civilian models get the "CRG" prefix. So does S.A. produce a bunch, then wait till the FBI orders some, then stamps the SN on them and have them finished? Which are rarer, so to speak? The railed ones or the non rail? |
I believe all Pros are stamped with a CRG prefix for the serial.
And IIRC, Bear simply would not provide the lifetime warranty the the FBI wanted. I don't believe it have anything to do with quality. |
.......... mine is a 1100
Correct. The Initial guns had FBI prefix to the Ser #, however the FBI did not want that prefix being sold to the general public so SA changed the Ser # prefix to CRG. All current production Professional models have the CRG prefix in the serial number. |
This is what happened.
Those 75 pistols must be worth a MINT though... |
SA builds the guns every 45 days. In each batch they will make between 45-50 guns. When they are making them, there is no serial number on the guns. The gunsmiths do not know if the gun they are building will be picked up by the FBI or if it will be over-run and get sold to the public. Once the FBI tells SA how many from the build they want (sometimes they take them all, other times they may take none), the guns are serial numbered for the FBI and the others are serial numbered for civilian sales then shipped to fulfill standing orders. I don't know what the story is on the railed ones. |
I don't know where you got your information but it's wrong. Springfield originally designated all pistols built to the FBI standard as the “Bureau Model” and prefixed the serial number with FBI on the first 258 pistols, but the FBI protested, so the name was changed to Professional Model. All Professional Model pistols whether for government issue or commercial sale are identical and carry the serial number prefix “CRG.” American Handgunner Jan 2000, bottom of page 6 |
I stand corrected. This is where I got my info from, though. I guess they were wrong. I don't know how old the article is, but they do state what I mentioned earlier and they clearly show a picture of a Pro with a SN higher than 258.
springfield-armory.primediaoutdoors.com/SPstory06.php
The civilian consumer can NOT purchase an actual FBI SWAT 1911 pistol because all of those guns have the prefix "FBI" in their serial numbers and the Bureau will not allow any of the FBI-serial numbered guns be sold to anyone other than the agency itself. Civilians and individual police officers may purchase the CRG-prefix pistol, otherwise known as the Springfield Armory PROFESSIONAL pistol. |
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Quoted: Unfortunately that article has some misinformation in it. For example the Author Frank James states ...I stand corrected.http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_abused.gif This is where I got my info from, though. I guess they were wrong. I don't know how old the article is, but they do state what I mentioned earlier and they clearly show a picture of a Pro with a SN higher than 258. springfield-armory.primediaoutdoors.com/SPstory06.php http://springfield-armory.primediaoutdoors.com/images/SPhg_story6C_544.jpg The civilian consumer can NOT purchase an actual FBI SWAT 1911 pistol because all of those guns have the prefix "FBI" in their serial numbers and the Bureau will not allow any of the FBI-serial numbered guns be sold to anyone other than the agency itself. Civilians and individual police officers may purchase the CRG-prefix pistol, otherwise known as the Springfield Armory PROFESSIONAL pistol. "When Springfield Armory representatives were asked what the acronym 'CRG' stood for, they replied "Close Range Group". This seems an odd name for a pistol built to such exacting standards for one of America's premier law enforcement organizations, but it's the answer that was given." ....... seems a little odd doesn't it? However when you consider that the FBI's specifications for the SWAT pistol were enumerated by the Critical Incident Response Group (CIRG), an oversight group that coordinates the HRT with the regional SWAT teams it's not hard to extrapolate the true origin of the current CRG prefix. Here is one of the ORIGINAL "Bureau Model" 1911s Serial Number FBI 33 compliments of Novaksights.com |
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This is where I got my info from, though. I guess they were wrong. I don't know how old the article is, but they do state what I mentioned earlier and they clearly show a picture of a Pro with a SN higher than 258.
