Posted: 11/5/2011 11:40:03 AM EDT
So I just found out what an idiot scratch is, and to tell you all the truth im impressed its thought of so harshly here. Now yes I understand its an avoidable blemish on your 1911, but really its more a sign of use which to me is cool. To show what I mean about scratches being cool (to me).....
I guess its just that I always saw my 1911 as my lead chucker more than a piece of art, which I still admire about it. Hell I CCW the damn thing, ITS GONNA GET SCRATCHED! |
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On the AK, pull up and out on the safety and you can eliminate the scratch, but you will have less of a feel in engagement if you do it wrong.
On the 1911, there is absolutely no excuse for it, especially on a stainless gun. You have to really mash to get it to scratch it, or do it over and over every time you reassemble the firearm. My first 1911 I did it wrong, but the scratch was very light. My dad had me hand it to him, to inspect for cleanliness, ( old Lt.), and he saw the scratch and made me buff it out, which it did. He had me take it back apart, and clean it again. Then he showed me the correct way to do it. Never had it happen again. |
| People who worry about scratches on guns shouldnt own them, just like trailer queen jeeps and safe queen guns. My kimber pro carryII TLE is my daily carry, I put a little scratch while I was deburring her fully. Who cares, when you have 20+ guns dont sweat it. If its under 3k who cares. I think people who care too much are the ones who wont last long when SHTF |
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People who worry about scratches on guns shouldn't own them, just like trailer queen jeeps and safe queen guns. My kimber pro carryII TLE is my daily carry, I put a little scratch while I was deburring her fully. Who cares, when you have 20+ guns dont sweat it. If its under 3k who cares. I think people who care too much are the ones who wont last long when SHTF I agree. People who obsess about this scratch make me wonder about the other things they obsess about. [>://   
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Back when I carried a 1911, I was proud of the wear the pistol had. Wear that came from carrying a blued gun all day, everyday. Wear that came from running the pistol hard in practice and training. Wear from shooting it so often.
The idiot scratch is a blemish caused by careless gunhandling. It's completely avoidable. Unlike holster wear, it's not something to expect, and definitely not something to be proud of. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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who gives a fuck?
if it is not your gun, then what's it to you? won't buy a gun with one? good for you. have you ever accidentally bumped your car door into something? should you sell your car because you're obviously an idiot? If not having an idiot mark on your gun makes you feel high and mighty, you're a sad, sad, small-penised individual. |
| Its just a tool in a tool box. If you scratch your hammer do you freak out and go buy another one? If a rock chips your car paint do you run out and repaint it? If a bird shits on your roof do you cry like a little girl and climb up there with a hose? A tiny scratch that in no way what so ever effects the function of the gun is no big deal. All complaining about it does is make you look like a whining baby thats scared to take their guns out of the safe in fear that a dust particle might land on it. |
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Mine has scratches that I don't care about for a second. It is however, free of the idiot scratch. I wouldn't obsess if I slipped one day but, so far, I've managed to pay attention every time I put my gun back together. If I ever had to sell it, I think the next owner would at least respect the fact that I cared enough to do things right with the pistol.
My AK has the scratch, because it's the way the rifle was designed. The 1911 was not designed to have the slide catch dragged along the frame repeatedly. Do what you want with yours. |
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before I bought my first 1911 I did what I thought was a lot of research. I don't remember reading anything about the idiot scratch.
The veryfirst time I put it back together (before I even shot it), I scratched it. I was pissed. I take care not to do it any more. Wear and use scratches, add character. "The scratch" is just ugly, but doesn't bother me if it's not my gun. OR if I didn't do it. I could live with a gun that has it if I didn't put it there. a-bare BTW: that first 1911 was a Taurus.....
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I've managed to keep the idiot scratch off my 1911s but I do have one on the slide of my P89DC. How the heck do you get that scratch on the slide, anyhow? I've seen pictures of it, but it seems like you'd have to be spinning that slide-stop like a Twister spinner dial! |
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Gave a really small one to my Colt putting it back together. I was instantly pissed, but it's hardly noticeable unless you're looking for it. It is not nearly as glaring as what is seen in the OP.
Getting bent out of shape over a 1911 with the "mark" is like getting upset when someone uses the word "clip" instead of "magazine." Not worth the energy. I agree that it is a sign of carelessness in reassembling the weapon. |
I never understood the "it's a tool" crowd when it comes to the idiot scratch. This is not a scratch or blemish from being used, it from not being able to or knowing how to reassemble your pistol properly. I have no issue pushing the slide stop on my SW1911 straight in without having to swing it up, but my Valor was a little difficult since the plunger sticks out of the plunger tube just a little too far and prevents me from just pushing it in.
Well, that fixed that. |
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If you can't put your 1911 back together without leaving an idiot scratch on it, you probably have velcro straps instead of laces on your shoes. and your perfect.  That's just a hater thing to say and doesn't belong here. Go back to GD.
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Haha well I see the purist crowd is here, but you guys should be a little more open, like I mentioned in the OP I have been shooting 1911s for 3 years and I never knew what the scratch was until I stumbled on it here on ARFCOM. Now that I realize what happened when I scratched my Kimber I know not to do it anymore, but you know what? That Kimber is my go to gun. My number 1. If I beat the hell out of it, scratch it, ding it....well then I had the nuts to treat it like the piece of steel it is and not treat it like its a piece of glass! And as far as I care, when im looking down the sights its all the same to me! Now im not going to intentionally beat and butcher the pistol, but the only thing I absolutely wont compromise is the soundness of the weapon! Its accuracy, reliability and handling. My 1911 isn't a safe queen, its the tool I use to protect myself and my family every day.
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Haha well I see the purist crowd is here, but you guys should be a little more open... And when you ask for opinions, you will get them. The "idiot scratch" says more about your ability than it does about my aesthetics.  Yea, and then you wonder why this forum has it's slow days. Why folks say 1911 owners are arrogant pricks and why this sub-forum isn't as busy as it used to be. Just my opnion your getting though you didn't ask for it. 
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| I've done it before, way back in the day with my first 1911. I haven't done it since. It's easy to avoid once you know what you're doing. I'd be very sad to own a 1911 with that scratch now. To me it's a sign of ignorance or a 1911-newb. I've got some heavily-used 1911s with no sign of the scratch. Like I said, it's easy to avoid. |
| I'm not too proud to say that I haven't done it. I put an Idiot Scratch on my first 1911 over twenty years ago, but it was only a AMT Hardballer not anything expensive. I have taken care with my other 1911s to not do it because now I know better. I bought a lightly used SA GI 1911 a few months ago and it had a faint scratch on it, so it didn't bother me enough not to buy it. |
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If you can't put your 1911 back together without leaving an idiot scratch on it, you probably have velcro straps instead of laces on your shoes. and your perfect. That's just a hater thing to say and doesn't belong here. Go back to GD.
How to avoid idiot scratch I am not perfect by any means. But I am smart enough to put a 1911 back together without putting an idiot scratch on it.
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I wish the owners manual would warn against it. Just a short sentence in the field stripping/reassembly instructions.
I lurked in this forum for a few months before buying my first 1911. It must have been a slow few months, because I don't remember reading about it. I agree, once aware of how easy it is to put the scratch, it's equally easy to avoid it. A-bare |
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If you can't put your 1911 back together without leaving an idiot scratch on it, you probably have velcro straps instead of laces on your shoes. and your perfect. That's just a hater thing to say and doesn't belong here. Go back to GD.
How to avoid idiot scratch I am not perfect by any means. But I am smart enough to put a 1911 back together without putting an idiot scratch on it.
I'm not surprised when people, like yourself bring a pistol to my attention wanting help or advice removing that scratch. Accidents happen. The last thing in the world I do is act like a jackass and rub their nose in it. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If you can't put your 1911 back together without leaving an idiot scratch on it, you probably have velcro straps instead of laces on your shoes. and your perfect. That's just a hater thing to say and doesn't belong here. Go back to GD.How to avoid idiot scratch I am not perfect by any means. But I am smart enough to put a 1911 back together without putting an idiot scratch on it. I'm not surprised when people, like yourself bring a pistol to my attention wanting help or advice removing that scratch. Accidents happen. The last thing in the world I do is act like a jackass and rub their nose in it. I read his post as being sarcastic, and nothing to get up in arms about. |
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If you can't put your 1911 back together without leaving an idiot scratch on it, you probably have velcro straps instead of laces on your shoes. and your perfect. That's just a hater thing to say and doesn't belong here. Go back to GD.
How to avoid idiot scratch I am not perfect by any means. But I am smart enough to put a 1911 back together without putting an idiot scratch on it.
I'm not surprised when people, like yourself bring a pistol to my attention wanting help or advice removing that scratch. Accidents happen. The last thing in the world I do is act like a jackass and rub their nose in it. I read his post as being sarcastic, and nothing to get up in arms about. Could be, but this is a technical forum. |