Posted: 1/2/2012 6:25:19 AM EDT
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I have had my CCL for 2 years now. During this time I have stayed consistant with carrying my weapon everywhere i go. I have several different hand guns that I like to carry, it all depends what I wear or how the weather is outside. That being said, it has taken me this long to work up the nerve to carry in condition 1. .... Thats right, 2 years of carrying before i was confident enough to carry with one in the pipe.
So, am i normal? Am i a wuss? I know all the sayings about unloaded pistols and not having time to chamber a round during an attack and i agree with all that stuff. Just curious if anyone else was the same way.. |
| At least you finally came around to carrying in a more readied condition. Most C3 carriers will fight to the teeth how it's better, safer and try to spout all the "advantages" that come with it. When I first got into firearms, I was hesitant to have a round in the chamber but I've always carried condition 1 since there are no disadvantages like there is for condition 3. |
| It probably varies from person to person. I automatically started off carrying with one in the pipe, and in a S&W M&P without a safety. It never even worried me, nor did printing. I am worried about drawing quickly and putting effective shots on target if I have too. My experiences growing up in Detroit had me convinced from the start that nothing else matters if you are forced to use a gun. |
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So, am i normal? Am i a wuss? Nope, not normal. You aren't alone, as poorly trained people seem to believe that is a safe way to carry. I am glad to see you never needed your weapon in 2 years, which could have been a very hard lesson on carrying the weapon loaded. Just out of curiousity, are you experienced with firearms and have you received any training? |
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I wouldnt venture to say he is poorly trained, he is just safety conscious...If he wasnt safety conscious, I doubt this guy would be carrying at all.
I just got my CCW about a month ago and I have a CZ82 Czech Military Surplus, can be Cocked and Locked ready for SA, or hammer down no safety but with a 7lb DA trigger pull. I have no issues with one in the chamber, because I have been around firearms for most of my life and I know how to use them. Additionally, I did some drills at the range where I had a cardboard backed target with a target on it that looked like paper, it was on a rope and it would slide further or closer down the range. Well with someone behind you moving the target further or closer, you notice how long it takes to do something like clear a jam or pull a charging handle. Condition Two is always the best option for people a little too timid. IMO, anything that gets a gun on your person for self defense is a good start. After that, its up to you to train yourself. Having one in the chamber is very important, because your first reaction to pulling that handgun is to take aim and often times begin shooting without delay or warning. What if someone tries to mug you with a gun? In my case, I would toss my wallet to the ground in front of them, and if they bent over to get it, Id draw and shoot. If they told me to pick it up, I would complain about some fake back problem, and draw from 4'oclock and fire. You have to understand, ultimately, that there are situations where your attacker may also have a gun, say you are at a bank robbery. Like the mugger example, you dont have time to talk shit, compare guns, talk it out, back em down, theyre going to shoot you if you make any sudden move, and they might even shoot you if you comply with all their demands. Bottom line, you need to be able to have the ability to put that gun in your hand, point it at them, and fire, accurately, quickly, and without hesitation. Just imagine, you are very nervous, or it has been rainy, or you have been hit and you have blood on your hands, and you have to pull a slide back against a 10 pound trigger pull. Or this? What if YOU are shot, and your wife or girlfriend, child or passerby has to pick up your firearm to save you, and your gun isnt ready to go? They dont know your gun, odds are they are thinking that if they point that gun and pull the trigger, they are good to go. That is just my opinion. Often when I ask my self similar questions regarding firearms, I give myself some animated situations like above, try to see what I would do or what could happen, and I will then figure out from there why my decision will be. p.s. Get a holster that covers your trigger and youll be fine. |
but 3-6 I carry with one in the pipe.
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The day I got my pistol permit I bought my Glock 19, which I have never shot before. (My first pistol), with maybe 200 rounds through my friends USP .40.
I had already ordered 1000 rounds, and 500 of my carry ammo, so I had them when I received my permit. Already had my crossbreed holster along with a good belt, I had previously Watched the magpul dynamic handgun video sever times and was comfortable with it. That being said, I brought my brand new G19 to the range and spent 5 hours shooting it, drawing it, holstering it ect. Brought it home, cleaned it, and go shooting at least three times a month. I carry, and have always carried condition one. I am comfortable with my pistol, and holster. Do what you need to with your carry pistols until you are also. -Dan |
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If you carry a reliable and well built handgun and practice proper drawing techniques (finger off the trigger at all times until ready to fire) it is impossible to shoot yourself. My Glocks are always loaded when being carried and they have multiple built in safeties to prevent accidental discharges. If you aren't confident enough to carry in condition one, you need a lot more training, or a better quality pistol, or both.
Just about every Federal agency, and law enforcement offier carry condition one. They few times people have shot themselves is because they pulled the trigger, or they used crap holsters off duty that didn't protect the trigger properly. |
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Are you normal? Depends who you ask I guess.
I never had any apprehension with carrying cocked and locked from day 1. Thats the way I was brought up and every firearm that was in the home that wasnt in the safe was kept the same way. Not that you need my blessing but im not going to brow beat you for not carrying with one in the chamber. "I" would not do it but everyone has their own decisions to make. Im not trying to poke fun but....why? Are you still afraid of accidently snagging the trigger or what? Personally I like DAO or pistols with a thumb safety. Most people frown on that for CCW but I train accordingly and it works for me. |
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Personally I like DAO or pistols with a thumb safety. Most people frown on that for CCW but I train accordingly and it works for me. This. Im a 1911 guy, and have been for a very long time. But for carry I like more than 8+1. I carry an M&P with thumb safety, and train hard and often with it. Muscle memory is a h hell of a thing. Gun clears holster, safety is off. Going back to holster, safety goes back on. Completely from muscle memory. No matter how you carry, the most important thing is training that way, a lot, and consistently. |
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Just to clarify, I don't have years and years of super tactical training. I have only owned handguns for about 3 years. I do at times carry, and have never been nervous about carrying a loaded revolver. Of course those guns have heavy trigger pulls.
More specifically, the gun i have been nervous about carrying condition 1 is my XD-9. I completely trust myself to not accidently pull the trigger, it's the gun i don't trust. |
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More specifically, the gun i have been nervous about carrying condition 1 is my XD-9. I completely trust myself to not accidently pull the trigger, it's the gun i don't trust. Interesting because I carry an XD because the additional grip safety makes me free more comfortable than my Glock. Regardless, it can be unnerving having a tensioned spring behind a live round. Is that why you don't trust it? In that case a DA may be the way to go. |
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Just to clarify, I don't have years and years of super tactical training. I have only owned handguns for about 3 years. I do at times carry, and have never been nervous about carrying a loaded revolver. Of course those guns have heavy trigger pulls. More specifically, the gun i have been nervous about carrying condition 1 is my XD-9. I completely trust myself to not accidently pull the trigger, it's the gun i don't trust. Then sell it and get something you will trust. 
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Just to clarify, I don't have years and years of super tactical training. I have only owned handguns for about 3 years. I do at times carry, and have never been nervous about carrying a loaded revolver. Of course those guns have heavy trigger pulls. More specifically, the gun i have been nervous about carrying condition 1 is my XD-9. I completely trust myself to not accidently pull the trigger, it's the gun i don't trust. Quite honestly, I cant think of an instance where a firearm truly malfunctioned where it actually "went off all by itself". Id dare say youre more likley to be injured or killed because you didnt carry with a round in the pipe and you couldnt get your gun ready fast enough than you are to experience a catastrophic malfunction where the firearm truly "went off by itself" and send a slug into your leg. Its your choice- im just saying what your worried about is one of the least likley things to happen happen out of a billion possible scenarios. An XD isnt exactly a "Saturday Night Special" prone to failures. |
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The XD grip safety blocks the sear which prevents the slide from moving, in front of the striker is a block that only moves when the trigger is pulled and the trigger has a tab incase something got caught on the side of the trigger and pulled it back. Its quite safe as long as you keep your finger off the trigger.
If you want the absolute safest way to reholster an XD, put your thumb on the back of the slide. This allows the grip safety to be out and block the sear and slide. Also, don't let your carry equipment get into as bad of a condition as the picture below. 
ETA: Having owned 7 XDs, I know the system is completely safe. |
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I can't imagine carrying without a round in the chamber. It doesn't seem right. This. I recently got my CHL and have been carrying a G19 with one in the pipe since day one. When the day comes that I need my pistol, all I want to have to do is point and click, if you catch my drift. |
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I can't imagine carrying without a round in the chamber. It doesn't seem right. This. I recently got my CHL and have been carrying a G19 with one in the pipe since day one. When the day comes that I need my pistol, all I want to have to do is point and click, if you catch my drift. THat hand it is about consistency. I have a stupid training scar now because I used to carry empty so it was instinctive to draw and rack. Now I keep chucking a round. |
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I would say it's perfectly normal. It took me a month or so of daily carrying to finally realize that I needed to carry in condition 1.
The thing that pushed me to do so was a quote I read here that said something to the tune of, "If you don't think you're safe enough to carry with one in the chamber, you probably shouldn't be carrying a firearm to begin with." |
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I got my carry permit this past October, and I'm not confident enough not to carry with a round chambered. I want as little standing between drawing and pulling the trigger as physically possible. That's part of the reason I carry an M&P with no safety switch. I trust the engineering of a good quality pistol to keep it from ever "going off" on its own, and in a tense, life-threatening situation, I never have to worry about the motor control to rack the slide or flip the safety off. I yank it out, point it, and pull the trigger.
I want to be prepared for the absolute worst case scenario. I want to be able to make up for it if my situational awareness fails and a threat is way too close to me. Anyone who understands that but still doesn't feel comfortable carrying with one in the chamber, I'd say carry a double-action revolver with the hammer down on an empty chamber. You still just pull the trigger and it goes bang, but when it's sitting on the empty chamber, it's physically impossible for a freak mechanical failure to cause it to fire. |