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Originally Posted By WoodHeat: I have such a box. I was thinking of making mobile or perhaps a chandelier out of the contents. And then of course there's the box of holsters... Man, I feel your pain! If I had all the money back that I spent on holsters and grips that didn't work out for me it'd be new gun day. 
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Originally Posted By SmokeEater2: Man, I feel your pain! If I had all the money back that I spent on holsters and grips that didn't work out for me it'd be new gun day. Originally Posted By SmokeEater2: Originally Posted By WoodHeat: I have such a box. I was thinking of making mobile or perhaps a chandelier out of the contents. And then of course there's the box of holsters... Man, I feel your pain! If I had all the money back that I spent on holsters and grips that didn't work out for me it'd be new gun day. I just found out that a crimson trace lasergrip that fits a Kimber K6, does NOT fit a Kimber K6XS.  The holsters fit, every grip has fit thusfar, 'cept the ~$300 one of course. How many holsters worth of [color=#000000]"[EXPLETIVE LADEN RANT REDACTED]"[/color] is that? Back on holsters: I'm currently I'm a fan of Tulster, and ANR Design Attached File G-Code clips will fit on those ^ if anyone wants to drop the holster down further. |
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Originally Posted By Samal: @TheOldRepublic I bought them from gunbroker altamont outlet store. The item is gone, but the description was "Altamont Wood Grips - S&W J Round Combat Super Walnut Basketweave." They are called Combat grips - https://altamontengraving.com/shared/photos/SJR-CF07-BW-M03L.jpg on Altamont website - looks like they are out of stock now Thank you called and asked when they thought they'd be back in stock, the guy said he had no clue
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Is anyone else hyped for the new lipsey ultimate Carry J frames? Attached File |
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Originally Posted By TheOldRepublic: Is anyone else hyped for the new lipsey ultimate Carry J frames? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/377948/82BA21DB-9E0F-450C-9C45-4EAD912F8EA6_jpe-3133408.JPG I'm so glad they're making them - I hope they're made in enough numbers for people to get what they want. I think the only question is: .32 vs .38, which flavor is preferred. Having 6rounds on board is great, and shooting-experience wise,.32 wadcutters are supposed to be fun (relatively speaking) in a pocket-size revolver. I kinda think I do prefer .38 to .32 as a self defense caliber though, if you made me pick one. |
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Originally Posted By Geralt55: I'm so glad they're making them - I hope they're made in enough numbers for people to get what they want. I think the only question is: .32 vs .38, which flavor is preferred. Having 6rounds on board is great, and shooting-experience wise,.32 wadcutters are supposed to be fun (relatively speaking) in a pocket-size revolver. I kinda think I do prefer .38 to .32 as a self defense caliber though, if you made me pick one. I too was interested in 32H&R magnum until I saw the cost of ammo. $0.90 per round for range fodder was the cheapest I could find on ammo seek. I'm stoked about the reworked trigger and actual sights. Not sure I will like the short grip but we'll see. |
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Originally Posted By TheOldRepublic: I too was interested in 32H&R magnum until I saw the cost of ammo. $0.90 per round for range fodder was the cheapest I could find on ammo seek. Originally Posted By TheOldRepublic: Originally Posted By Geralt55: I'm so glad they're making them - I hope they're made in enough numbers for people to get what they want. I think the only question is: .32 vs .38, which flavor is preferred. Having 6rounds on board is great, and shooting-experience wise,.32 wadcutters are supposed to be fun (relatively speaking) in a pocket-size revolver. I kinda think I do prefer .38 to .32 as a self defense caliber though, if you made me pick one. I too was interested in 32H&R magnum until I saw the cost of ammo. $0.90 per round for range fodder was the cheapest I could find on ammo seek. Let's say price was no object - did you see any defensive loads you liked the looks of? I'm stoked about the reworked trigger and actual sights. Not sure I will like the short grip but we'll see. Hard to beat good sights and a good trigger  In my mind, the best concealment grip for the J-frames is the CrimsonTrace LG405 Small Thin Light Covered backstrap Laser (great dry-fire training aid, good in low light) And despite being so small, you can get a surprisingly good grip on it! |
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Originally Posted By Geralt55: Let's say price was no object - did you see any defensive loads you liked the looks of? Hard to beat good sights and a good trigger In my mind, the best concealment grip for the J-frames is the CrimsonTrace LG405 Small Thin Light Covered backstrap Laser (great dry-fire training aid, good in low light) And despite being so small, you can get a surprisingly good grip on it! i didn't look much after seeing the lowest price for the ammo. I'm pretty sure a few of the top brands make a defensive load for it. I know the boot grips are put on for pocket carry/deep concealment, they're just not very comfortable to shoot with, at least for me I'll check out those CT grips These are the grips I have on my old model 36. Pretty comfortable AIWB. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Geralt55: I'm so glad they're making them - I hope they're made in enough numbers for people to get what they want. I think the only question is: .32 vs .38, which flavor is preferred. Having 6rounds on board is great, and shooting-experience wise,.32 wadcutters are supposed to be fun (relatively speaking) in a pocket-size revolver. I kinda think I do prefer .38 to .32 as a self defense caliber though, if you made me pick one. Originally Posted By Geralt55: Originally Posted By TheOldRepublic: Is anyone else hyped for the new lipsey ultimate Carry J frames? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/377948/82BA21DB-9E0F-450C-9C45-4EAD912F8EA6_jpe-3133408.JPG I'm so glad they're making them - I hope they're made in enough numbers for people to get what they want. I think the only question is: .32 vs .38, which flavor is preferred. Having 6rounds on board is great, and shooting-experience wise,.32 wadcutters are supposed to be fun (relatively speaking) in a pocket-size revolver. I kinda think I do prefer .38 to .32 as a self defense caliber though, if you made me pick one. A snub chambered in .32 H&R is not much of a question in the age of .327, except to ask S&W "Why won't you let us have the good stuff?" For me this was a major factor in deciding to purchase a .327 LCR over a J frame. |
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Originally Posted By TheOldRepublic: i didn't look much after seeing the lowest price for the ammo. I'm pretty sure a few of the top brands make a defensive load for it. I know the boot grips are put on for pocket carry/deep concealment, they're just not very comfortable to shoot with, at least for me I'll check out those CT grips These are the grips I have on my old model 36. Pretty comfortable AIWB. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/377948/8C0C8E45-A7A0-4F48-B95B-5CF11E2837F4_jpe-3133891.JPG Originally Posted By TheOldRepublic: Originally Posted By Geralt55: Let's say price was no object - did you see any defensive loads you liked the looks of? Hard to beat good sights and a good trigger In my mind, the best concealment grip for the J-frames is the CrimsonTrace LG405 Small Thin Light Covered backstrap Laser (great dry-fire training aid, good in low light) And despite being so small, you can get a surprisingly good grip on it! i didn't look much after seeing the lowest price for the ammo. I'm pretty sure a few of the top brands make a defensive load for it. I know the boot grips are put on for pocket carry/deep concealment, they're just not very comfortable to shoot with, at least for me I'll check out those CT grips These are the grips I have on my old model 36. Pretty comfortable AIWB. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/377948/8C0C8E45-A7A0-4F48-B95B-5CF11E2837F4_jpe-3133891.JPG Steel frame, full grip - that looks comfy to shoot
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: I have CTC grips on my 442 Pro https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/Smith_442_Pro_JPG-3134089.JPG CT makes a bunch of version just for J-frames - I'm thinking that full grip and covered backstrap makes it not too painful to shoot with +P rounds |
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Originally Posted By P400: A snub chambered in .32 H&R is not much of a question in the age of .327, except to ask S&W "Why won't you let us have the good stuff?" For me this was a major factor in deciding to purchase a .327 LCR over a J frame. Originally Posted By P400: Originally Posted By Geralt55: Originally Posted By TheOldRepublic: Is anyone else hyped for the new lipsey ultimate Carry J frames? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/377948/82BA21DB-9E0F-450C-9C45-4EAD912F8EA6_jpe-3133408.JPG I'm so glad they're making them - I hope they're made in enough numbers for people to get what they want. I think the only question is: .32 vs .38, which flavor is preferred. Having 6rounds on board is great, and shooting-experience wise,.32 wadcutters are supposed to be fun (relatively speaking) in a pocket-size revolver. I kinda think I do prefer .38 to .32 as a self defense caliber though, if you made me pick one. A snub chambered in .32 H&R is not much of a question in the age of .327, except to ask S&W "Why won't you let us have the good stuff?" For me this was a major factor in deciding to purchase a .327 LCR over a J frame. I looked hard a 327 LCR, cool caliber. I ended up choosing a Kimber K6XS to standardize on .38special, but the LCR looks cool I wish they made a 3in 327LCRx like they do for the 357, 38, and .22s! |
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The best BUG ever. On duty I use this. S&W 342 with 135gr +P Gold Dots in 5 Shot Leather rig A good friend just used his to win a fight for his duty weapon. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By TheOldRepublic: Is anyone else hyped for the new lipsey ultimate Carry J frames? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/377948/82BA21DB-9E0F-450C-9C45-4EAD912F8EA6_jpe-3133408.JPG |
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Originally Posted By MONGO45: The best BUG ever. On duty I use this. S&W 342 with 135gr +P Gold Dots in 5 Shot Leather rig A good friend just used his to win a fight for his duty weapon. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/86935/57445749727__F91F2FED-EBC4-4E17-AE76-56D-3135030.JPG Link to OIS press coverage? |
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Originally Posted By P400: A snub chambered in .32 H&R is not much of a question in the age of .327, except to ask S&W "Why won't you let us have the good stuff?" For me this was a major factor in deciding to purchase a .327 LCR over a J frame. I wouldnt rule it out if this sells well. I know Bryan Eastridge and talked to him about this. Flame cutting, and materials of the frame etc while trying to keep the cost down. Steel or Scandium would be necessary due to the pressures involved and put it at the 340/340PD price point. By using .32, it kept it at the 442/642 prices. |
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Originally Posted By KillerBD: Pocket carry excellence: https://aholster.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/BACKBONE-2.jpg https://aholster.com/pocket-backbone/ https://aholster.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/bact-4.jpg https://aholster.com/aholster-bactrian/ (I carry mine with safariland comp I reloads, but it'll work with whatever you like same/difference) -Also not my pics, ripped from his web-site. I carry a Model 637 in mine, I've found it to be very slim and lightweight for pocket rocket carry. Yes, a loaded air-weight or even lighter air-light. Will weigh a bit less than a P365/Hellcat/G43, this is an important factor to me. I sold my 2 Ruger LCPs (original and a II) because they were simply not reliable, highly ammo-sensitive, and difficult to actually hold onto, coupled with the cost/availability and 'power' of .380ACP I just ditched that round and stick with 9mm or .38SPL+P when it comes to slim/compact, non-permissive-environment, carry guns. I carry Buffalo Bore .38+P 125gr, they hit my steel targets with authority. Not much different in terms of impact on target when compared to my Glock 17 shooting 124gr 9mm Hornady +P... According to their website videos and photos, I believe that Aholster requires that using their products for the Smith and Wesson 340PD you first need to cover the gun with Blue Painters Masking Tape in order for it to function properly. I'm not sure it this applies for other firearm models.  Their holsters, notably the Backbone must tear the $hit out the finish of the 340PD.
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Originally Posted By TheOldRepublic: i didn't look much after seeing the lowest price for the ammo. I'm pretty sure a few of the top brands make a defensive load for it. I know the boot grips are put on for pocket carry/deep concealment, they're just not very comfortable to shoot with, at least for me I'll check out those CT grips These are the grips I have on my old model 36. Pretty comfortable AIWB. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/377948/8C0C8E45-A7A0-4F48-B95B-5CF11E2837F4_jpe-3133891.JPG @TheOldRepublic Where can I get a set of those grips for my model 60? |
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Originally Posted By davidb1982: @TheOldRepublic Where can I get a set of those grips for my model 60? @davidb1982 I ordered them from here. They're OOS https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/413040000 I checked a few other sites and they were OOS too. |
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Originally Posted By TheOldRepublic: @davidb1982 I ordered them from here. They're OOS https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/413040000 I checked a few other sites and they were OOS too. Originally Posted By TheOldRepublic: Originally Posted By davidb1982: @TheOldRepublic Where can I get a set of those grips for my model 60? @davidb1982 I ordered them from here. They're OOS https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/413040000 I checked a few other sites and they were OOS too. Damn. Thanks for checking though. These are what I want to swap mine to. |
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Originally Posted By TheOldRepublic: Is anyone else hyped for the new lipsey ultimate Carry J frames? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/377948/82BA21DB-9E0F-450C-9C45-4EAD912F8EA6_jpe-3133408.JPG For one, they snag when drawing from a pocket, my primary use for a j-frame. Two, I had trouble finding 357 ammo that was regulated to POA=POI. Though 38 Special 130gr HST and 135gr short barrel Gold Dots were good so they might be fine for a 642/442. |
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Originally Posted By MONGO45: The best BUG ever. On duty I use this. S&W 342 with 135gr +P Gold Dots in 5 Shot Leather rig A good friend just used his to win a fight for his duty weapon. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/86935/57445749727__F91F2FED-EBC4-4E17-AE76-56D-3135030.JPG I saw that video I think. This why I also carry a J Frame on duty as a bug. |
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Originally Posted By backbencher: Link to OIS press coverage? Gun is a S&W 642 with Secret Service grips loaded with 135gr +P .38spl Carried in left side front pocket in a pocket holster. Guy practices left hand only often with it. Four shots scored 3 hits  IMPD Critical Incident Video - OIS 2000 Shadeland Ave |
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Originally Posted By MONGO45: Gun is a S&W 642 with Secret Service grips loaded with 135gr +P .38spl Carried in left side front pocket in a pocket holster. Guy practices left hand only often with it. Four shots scored 3 hits  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owb8rm-43eEWhat duty holster was that guy using? |
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When I carry a J frame, it is a 642 with 135 grain +P. I carry it in a pocket holster. It is practically the same gun, load, and carry method as the OIS used in the above video. I train with it. I have an idea of what I can and can't do with it. A J Frame is as large as I would go in a pocket gun. 38 Spec is the largest caliber I would use. 357 in a snub is more than I want to handle. I have tried pocket carrying micro 9s. Even though my Gen 1 Shield is effectively the same size, a J Frame carries and draws better from the pocket. That OIS video has me thinking about some things. As a "Get off me gun", the 642 did exactly what it was intended to do. I assume the suspect was drugged up. Suspect took 3 rounds at close range. From the footage, at least two hits were in lung cavities. The suspect was still able flee 25+ yards after being shot. When he went down, it was because he tripped up. He still had fight in him when the cuffs went on. What if the suspect hadn't fled? Would a different gun or caliber have made a difference? Probably not. Mindset is why the officer won the fight. The 642 only increased his odds. |
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Originally Posted By Ewald: When I carry a J frame, it is a 642 with 135 grain +P. I carry it in a pocket holster. It is practically the same gun, load, and carry method as the OIS used in the above video. I train with it. I have an idea of what I can and can't do with it. A J Frame is as large as I would go in a pocket gun. 38 Spec is the largest caliber I would use. 357 in a snub is more than I want to handle. I have tried pocket carrying micro 9s. Even though my Gen 1 Shield is effectively the same size, a J Frame carries and draws better from the pocket. That OIS video has me thinking about some things. As a "Get off me gun", the 642 did exactly what it was intended to do. I assume the suspect was drugged up. Suspect took 3 rounds at close range. From the footage, at least two hits were in lung cavities. The suspect was still able flee 25+ yards after being shot. When he went down, it was because he tripped up. He still had fight in him when the cuffs went on. What if the suspect hadn't fled? Would a different gun or caliber have made a difference? Probably not. Mindset is why the officer won the fight. The 642 only increased his odds. Wadcutters. Here's the 135 grn +P Gold Dot in non-calibrated, non-organic clear gel: https://www.luckygunner.com/38-special-plus-p-135-gr-jhp-speer-gold-dot-1000-rounds#geltest  One in 5 rounds failed to even go 12" in clear gel, & also failed to expand. |
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Has anyone seen any low-profile leather holsters sort of like this for a S&W Mod. 36 or any snubnose J-frame I suppose : but in a IWB variety? Most leather J-frame holsters I find are just way bigger and bulkier than they really need to be and kinda defeat the point of a small concealable snub. Perfectly fine with the muzzle being exposed like in the photo. Infact I'd prefer it. Seems to be the current fad to add a bunch of extra material at the worst part of an IWB holster in some religious obsession to cover the muzzle to the point that you may as well have an extra inch of barrel. If I could have that exact holster with a more neutral cant and IWB clips instead of the belt loops, it'd be perfect. Yeah, Kydex is the answer. But a classy revolver like mine just yearns for the leather. |
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Originally Posted By Nickel_Plated: Has anyone seen any low-profile leather holsters sort of like this for a S&W Mod. 36 or any snubnose J-frame I suppose : https://www.speedbeez.com/wp-content/uploads/J-Slide_06.jpg but in a IWB variety? Most leather J-frame holsters I find are just way bigger and bulkier than they really need to be and kinda defeat the point of a small concealable snub. Perfectly fine with the muzzle being exposed like in the photo. Infact I'd prefer it. Seems to be the current fad to add a bunch of extra material at the worst part of an IWB holster in some religious obsession to cover the muzzle to the point that you may as well have an extra inch of barrel. If I could have that exact holster with a more neutral cant and IWB clips instead of the belt loops, it'd be perfect. Yeah, Kydex is the answer. But a classy revolver like mine just yearns for the leather. Exposed bottom holsters like this are a bad idea in my experience The “Yaqui Slide” style holsters use to be very popular back when I carried a 1911 in the mid 90s The disadvantage is that if you get in a struggle or even have to do something athletic like climb a fence the gun can be pushed up from the bottom. Even worse with a longer barrel because the bulk of the gun will come out and your gun will likely hit the deck. A holster that continues down to the end of your muzzle will prevent this from happening. Just my 2 cents. |
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Originally Posted By MONGO45: Exposed bottom holsters like this are a bad idea in my experience The “Yaqui Slide” style holsters use to be very popular back when I carried a 1911 in the mid 90s The disadvantage is that if you get in a struggle or even have to do something athletic like climb a fence the gun can be pushed up from the bottom. Even worse with a longer barrel because the bulk of the gun will come out and your gun will likely hit the deck. A holster that continues down to the end of your muzzle will prevent this from happening. Just my 2 cents. I've considered that, but I'd like to give it a try anyway. I suspect it won't be nearly as big of a problem as it's made out to be. And if it is, it'll atleast have plenty of company in the Box of Forgotten holsters. |
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Originally Posted By Nickel_Plated: https://i.postimg.cc/tJD5hmvy/20240603-095320.jpg Small size, muthafucka! I used to carry my Model 49 in my front jacket pocket, holding it in my hand, when investigating street drug dealers in Baltimore. It was a way to be ready, without heating up the situation. I also used to do it off duty, when going out at night and coming up on a sketchy looking guy or bunch of guys. |
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Originally Posted By Nickel_Plated: Has anyone seen any low-profile leather holsters sort of like this for a S&W Mod. 36 or any snubnose J-frame I suppose : https://www.speedbeez.com/wp-content/uploads/J-Slide_06.jpg but in a IWB variety? Most leather J-frame holsters I find are just way bigger and bulkier than they really need to be and kinda defeat the point of a small concealable snub. Perfectly fine with the muzzle being exposed like in the photo. Infact I'd prefer it. Seems to be the current fad to add a bunch of extra material at the worst part of an IWB holster in some religious obsession to cover the muzzle to the point that you may as well have an extra inch of barrel. If I could have that exact holster with a more neutral cant and IWB clips instead of the belt loops, it'd be perfect. Yeah, Kydex is the answer. But a classy revolver like mine just yearns for the leather. Check amazon or ebay. Here's one I found on Amazon. Desantis Cozy Partner Holster fits 2-2 1/4-Inch S&W J Frame 
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I started carrying a 642 J frame as a weak hand (righthand) cross draw BUG about 6+ months ago. I can give it to my wife to use as needed and it's accessible while driving (I hip carry a primary). I've got mine loaded with Federal's new Hydra-Shok Deep, although I haven't searched out any ballistic video's on it yet. I just picked-up the new 432UC and will probably start carrying that with Hornady Critical Defense or a WC. I like the idea of an extra round. |
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Originally Posted By dump1567: Check amazon or ebay. Here's one I found on Amazon. Desantis Cozy Partner Holster fits 2-2 1/4-Inch S&W J Frame https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81NhmnIVJ2L._AC_SL1500_.jpg See that's exactly where my problem is. Waay too much holster below the muzzle. That's exactly the part that's always digging right into my leg any time I bend over or do anything other than stand still and upright.  Trim it off right below the red line. Not saying the barrel needs to be poking way out. Just make the holster exactly as long as the barrel and that's it. Maybe like an 1/8" peeking out. Point being there's no sense in having the holster add a whole nearly extra inch to a gun that's supposed to be easy to conceal. |
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Originally Posted By Nickel_Plated: See that's exactly where my problem is. Waay too much holster below the muzzle. That's exactly the part that's always digging right into my leg any time I bend over or do anything other than stand still and upright. https://i.postimg.cc/fR3QGmFG/81-Nhmn-IVJ2-L-AC-SL1500.jpg Trim it off right below the red line. Not saying the barrel needs to be poking way out. Just make the holster exactly as long as the barrel and that's it. Maybe like an 1/8" peeking out. Point being there's no sense in having the holster add a whole nearly extra inch to a gun that's supposed to be easy to conceal. Originally Posted By Nickel_Plated: Originally Posted By dump1567: Check amazon or ebay. Here's one I found on Amazon. Desantis Cozy Partner Holster fits 2-2 1/4-Inch S&W J Frame https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81NhmnIVJ2L._AC_SL1500_.jpg See that's exactly where my problem is. Waay too much holster below the muzzle. That's exactly the part that's always digging right into my leg any time I bend over or do anything other than stand still and upright. https://i.postimg.cc/fR3QGmFG/81-Nhmn-IVJ2-L-AC-SL1500.jpg Trim it off right below the red line. Not saying the barrel needs to be poking way out. Just make the holster exactly as long as the barrel and that's it. Maybe like an 1/8" peeking out. Point being there's no sense in having the holster add a whole nearly extra inch to a gun that's supposed to be easy to conceal. In that form factor, ANR Design and Tulster (Kydex, sorry man ) are pretty minimal sizewiseTulster:  ANR Design:  And while looking for them, I ran across this in the image search:  https://www.gunnersalley.com/s-w-642-holster/ |