Posted: 6/29/2005 5:54:55 PM EDT
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My wife's K9 is choking on Speer Gold Dots (124-gr +P) (item #53617). It suffers 6 o'clock misfeeds on the second round in the mag when the gun is not held perfectly rigid. IOW if it's limp-wristed even a tiny bit it jams. This is unacceptable--the shooter won't always have the time or luxury to have a perfect firing stance in a gunfight. I was surprised by the jams, because it has been flawless with all the other factory loads I've put through it. It's an older nickel-plated K9, with an "AG" serial prefix. Is this a case of old magazine springs not having time to push up the round under the increased slide velocity? Or a recoil spring that needs to be changed? Or...what? Why's this happening? Here's the thread discussing the malfunctions I'm calling Kahr tomorrow, but any thoughts are appreciated. |
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How old is the recoil spring? How clean and well lubed is the gun? Is the extractor OK, clean, lubed, and operating freely? Feed ramp developed roughness or getting battered? Has the magazine been cleaned? Is the spring orientated the right way around? Someone been stretching the mag spring to "restore it"? (Which actually ruins the spring). Magazine body been squashed slightly, interfering with feeding? Try another brand/type of ammo. Some guns just don't "like" some brands/types of ammo. This is why you should never just arbitrarily decide to use a certain brand of ammo, without first giving the gun a good 100 to 200 round verification shoot with THAT specific ammo, to determine whether the gun will be reliable. |
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Clean, lubed, all good parts, all good mags, only malfunctions with this ammo, properly-oriented original recoil spring with less than 1,000 rounds on it. I can't see a reason for the malfunctions...any other ideas? I agree with your thoughts about testing carry ammo (the main point of my other related thread). |
Absolutely. I'm trying to keep the other thread focused on why testing ammo is important, with this thread to determine if there is any actual possibility of a gun problem. I just updated the other thread with a photo of the malfunction. Best photo I could manage with my camera & skills 
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Just saw another post on another forum from a person having stoppages with Gold Dots in a 1911. In this case, it's 185 grain bullets, which many 1911 have always had problems with. Bottom line: Not all guns "like" all ammo. It's common to have one gun shoot a certain brand/type of ammo and another gun of the same brand and vintage choke on it. It's also common for a gun to choke on ammo, but handle a similar type from another maker. I've been asked to look at guns to find out why a specific gun would fail to operate with a specific ammo. In most cases there is NO discernible mechanical reason for the problems. I've come top the conclusion that attempting to figure it out in these cases was a waste of my time and their money. Other than as an interesting technical exercise, you're better off just finding another ammo that will work. |
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I have an MK9 and it does not do well with Speer Gold dots. If you look at the bullet secton of the Gold Dots you may notice it is a little longer than regular ball ammo. In the smaller Kahr frame (at least on my older MK9) that seems to be an issue. I found that Remington Hollow points (availabe at Walmart in boxes of 100) are a little shorter and feed well. |
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I bought a PM9094 and it is a jam-o-matic even after the 200 round break in. I should have known, when Kahr recommends a 200 round "break in period" they can't be truly QC'ing what they sell. How can the factory assess quality when the pistol isn't even supposed to be reliable until 200 rounds after it leaves the factory? Factory says send it back (overnight is over forty bucks) we'll inspect and test fire 20 rounds. Now that is some torture testing...Well, the consignment shelf awaits for this little turd. I advise (based on this experience) to avoid Kahr. Please don't give me the "limp wristing" baloney. My Glocks, SIG's and even S&W's (issue) don't have these problems. Nursing this little runt back to health, only to have it jam again a couple hundred in overnight shipping and ammo costs later is ridiculous. Make sure to add 200 rounds worth of ammo to the cost when you comparison shopping for a Kahr. It isn't even advertised to be reliable when you buy it. |
| Note to above: the gun store I bought it from won't even give me trade-in value on it, and the 2nd gun store I called won't consign it because it doesn't reach the $500 minimum value for consignments. I WILL get rid of this pistol. Next gun "buyback program" I guess...damn. |
I'll do your gun buy back right now......... $50 and I'll pay shipping |
| After a talk with "the man" at Kahr they have agreed to replace the pistol. Great customer service it would seem. Other than having to push the slide closed after nearly each round I did like the trigger pull and it was quite accurate. Further, I was advised my serial number was from a lot nearly a year old and improvements had been made addressing the issue I had. Maybe that is why my dealer wouldn't give me a trade-in value on the older/"new" gun he just sold me. |
