Posted: 3/1/2009 9:36:02 AM EDT
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I just picked up a new commercial M9 about a week ago. It is brand new production.
I see they have a polymer trigger and recoil spring guide?? What gives. I called Beretta and they say all new 92FS/M9 pistols have a polymer trigger with steel insert. So now is this inferior to a metal trigger?? Does the polymer have an advantage?? I see all metal M9 triggers for sale on the EE should I invest in a metal trigger and at the same time get a metal recoil spring guide?? I have another 92FS which I have owned for over ten years. This is an all metal gun and the trigger just feels nice and cold like you would expect. Any comments or opinions would be appreciated. TIA Ray |
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The plastic parts are indeed now standard in both the civillian M9/92FS and the US military M9. While many will quote various reasons for the change, the untimate reason is to save money. The parts are simply cheaper to use in production without any risk. In order for Beretta to get permission to use them as GI production, the Army had to grant a variance to the milspec. That takes an application by Beretta along with an engineering evaluation, so the Army thinks it doesn't matter. People will buy metal parts, so people will sell them. They really aren't any different functionally. It's a matter of personal prefernce really. I prefer a metal trigger personally because it allows the use of the Wolff trigger retrun spring, which won't work on the plastic one. Other than that, I see no reason to use one type part over the other. If you like metal parts better, buy them and put them in. You can't go wrong either way, since both type parts have been proven fine in service and combat.
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I swapped the recoil spring guide in my 92FS simply because I use in competition (USPSA Production), and any allowable (i.e., since older 92's had metal, I am GTG) weight up front I can add is a good thing. I had no problems with the stock plastic guide rod, though.
I have been considering sourcing a metal trigger just so I can try out the Wolff return spring conversion units. Again, no issue with the plastic/metal hybrid that's still on there. I am very interested in how the two triggers differ dimensionally - that is, what it is about the current hybrid trigger that doesn't allow use of the Wolff return units. |
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I have been considering sourcing a metal trigger just so I can try out the Wolff return spring conversion units. Again, no issue with the plastic/metal hybrid that's still on there. I am very interested in how the two triggers differ dimensionally - that is, what it is about the current hybrid trigger that doesn't allow use of the Wolff return units.
I think it has less to do with geometry and more to do with the actual materiel. The Wolff unit works differently than the OEM spring. It bears directly against the surface of part of the trigger itself. So it has to be steel to work against. |
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Over on Berettaforum.net they had some bloke from Beretta on there and he said, or some one from the forum is tight with the blokes at BUSA and have been told the plastic rod, as well as a money saver works better thena metal one for 2 reasons.
1. The flutes or grooves on the plastic rod help to let forgen matter like sand grains fall free and not grind up in the slide causeing slower cycles or jams. 2.. If the gun is dropped it could damage or bend a guid rod, apparently,the'd had a few M9's dropped from choppers and when picked up, the guid rod had bent a little thus binding up the cycle times and cause slow cycles / jams, the plastice is designed to bent a little and this helps with the prevention of the above potential problems. |
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2.. If the gun is dropped it could damage or bend a guid rod, apparently,the'd had a few M9's dropped from choppers and when picked up, the guid rod had bent a little thus binding up the cycle times and cause slow cycles / jams, the plastice is designed to bent a little and this helps with the prevention of the above potential problems. Then clearly you need to stay the hell out of helicopters................. 
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| I have no doubt that the new polymer guide rods will have advantages in the way that Beretta claims, but I'm sure they did it to cut costs. The M9 is great gun for the price, before this craziness you could still get them NIB under $500 occasionally. Apparently Beretta was wanting to keep the price down somehow when metal prices were climbing. I wanted to switch out my plastic guide rod too until I did some research, but then I got a lasermax guide rod laser and ended up having to ditch it anyway. |