MC Operator > Springfield

Posted: 5/20/2004 1:15:46 PM EDT

Is this gun avaiable yet, PX9105ML ??? My local shop says not yet...What have you guys heard ???

Posted: 5/20/2004 7:24:59 PM EDT

[#1]

Grim,

Yes, it is if your talking about the OD frame and short rail model which is the MC. The ML is the loaded Operator with the full length rail.

Operator MC

Operator ML

They are hard to come by. The best way to gets your hands on one is to call Springfield and ask them what distributors they sent them to. Then ask your FFL dealer to call that distributor to purchase.

Good Luck!

Posted: 5/20/2004 8:13:04 PM EDT

[#2]

Quoted:
Grim,

Yes, it is if your talking about the OD frame and short rail model which is the MC. The ML is the loaded Operator with the full length rail.

Operator MC
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Did you end up getting both?

I know everyone says "get both" but I've never seen anyone actualy "get both".

Posted: 5/21/2004 2:20:29 AM EDT

[#3]

Thanks for the info, I'll check into it for sure...

Posted: 5/21/2004 2:30:36 AM EDT

[#4]

Now I'm confused, I just checked Springfields website and the MC Operator is pictured with the ML part #(PX9105ML)...When I clicked on the image, the MC picture pops up...Anybody else notice this or did I miss something here ??? hey

Posted: 5/21/2004 2:15:14 PM EDT

[#5]

They're definitely available, I mollesting one as we speak. I've seen them around where I live (NV), but not a lot. I know where there were three as of yesterday. The owner of the gun store snatched one and I snatched one also? There may be one left. It was at the Gun Trader in Reno.

FWIW I actually have a P9111LR on order (FBI gun with light rail). I bought the MC version on a whim, just because I though it looked cool as hell (and I couldn't wait until November for the other gun).

Posted: 5/21/2004 2:19:23 PM EDT

[#6]

As an aside, every MC Operator I've seen came out of the box with Pachmyer wrap around grips. I swear by their products but sometimes it seem like they just do a run of anything that suits their fancies?

What I want to know is (1) was it an attempt to win the MC contract and (2) why did the MC go with the Kimber?

Posted: 5/21/2004 2:21:16 PM EDT

[#7]

I'm with you on the "cool as hell" thats what got me, plus after buying my latest Bushy I still have just enough tax refund money left over for the MC...

Posted: 5/21/2004 3:48:58 PM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:
As an aside, every MC Operator I've seen came out of the box with Pachmyer wrap around grips. I swear by their products but sometimes it seem like they just do a run of anything that suits their fancies?

What I want to know is (1) was it an attempt to win the MC contract and (2) why did the MC go with the Kimber?

It's not an attempt to get a Marine Corps contract.. I spoke with Springfield reps at the NRA convention.. This is a copy of a pistol currently in use by Marine special units, the Corps pistol is made by Marine armorers at Quantico, everyone made by hand.. The Marine Corps version uses the Pachmyer grips, and that is why they are on the Springfield...

here is some info:

MEU(SOC) .45

Pistol, Caliber .45 MEU (SOC) (NSN100S-O1-370-7353)

While the standard USMC pistol is the M9, those in the operational platoons use the MEU (SOC) pistol. Based on a modified M1911 pistol, the MEU (SOC) has been in the Marine Corps since the Marine Expeditionary Unit (Special Operations Capable) {MEU (SOC)} stoodupin 1985.8

The proven single action design in .45 caliber, and modified by the Precision Weapons Shop (PWS) at Quantico, is an excellent secondary weapon for the Marines in the Company.

The frame is stripped GI, and after inspection the feed ramp is polished. The slide is Springfield Armory or Caspian, the barrel Bar-Sto, and the internal parts all commercial. A high visibility rear sight, (manufactured in house at PWS) and high visibility front sight are added. The pistol has an ambidextrous thumb safety, and a flat mainspring housing with a lanyard loop. The entire pistol is de-horned and Pachmayer stocks fitted. There is none of the checkering (so favored by artistes) on this pistol.

The Videcki trigger is adjusted to a pull of 3.5-5 pounds.

The pistol is issued with seven Wilson-Rogers magazines. A Sure Fire H1OR Light Module is mounted, but PWS feels that as this is not a fitted item, it may be causing barrel link breakage. The operators rightfully feel that they must have a light on the pistol, so this housing will remain until a better solution is in place.

During the course of a workup/ deployment, the operator will put a lot of rounds through his pistol. It is not uncommon for the pistols to come back with 80,000+ rounds fired. The pistol will be returned to the PWS at Quantico for a rebuild. Generally, all parts save the frame (which is a U.S. Government frame last manufactured in 1945) are discarded. The frame is inspected, and if within specs, rebuilt again. There are some frames that may have had as many as 500,000 rounds fired from them.

The OIC of the Precision Weapons Shop, CWO5 Ken Davis, is convinced (as are many others) that the 1911 is the only pistol that can stand up to this use.

We certainly have the right gun for the right job.

If there is one thing wrong with this pistol it is the fact that there are not enough of them. Realistically, each operator should have two. One for training and another to go to war (of course, the same could be said for all of their weapons).

A product improved MEU (SOC) pistol is in the works. (The USSOCOM Mk23 ModO was briefly looked at. However the large size of this gun and other issues render it less than desirable as a secondary weapon). Though the basic pistol will remain the same, a new barrel and hardened drop in parts will replace those that must be hand fitted. This will permit maintenance to be performed at the company level rather than being evacuated.

Forward slide serrations and a memory bump grip safety will be added. The PWS is currently looking at a new light for the pistol. All of the new guns will have a MilStdl9l3 rail welded to the dust cover. Several new lights and Laser Aiming Modules (LAMS) are being evaluated at this time.

Originally, the Company used leather holsters from PWL but leather and water are a lot like oil and water. They now use Safariland Models 3004, 3005, or the newer 6004. Each operator has two of these Kydex holsters, one for the MEU (SOC) Pistol with the light, and one without. The pistol magazine pouches are the Eagle DMP-FB.

The Gem-Tech lanyard replaced the field expedient telephone cords previously used. This purpose built pistol lanyard has one thing that others don’t—it has a break-away feature.

Shortly after they were issued, the CH 46E carrying 5th Pit. crashed into the sea off Pt. Loma, CA. The pistol carried by SSgt Mark Schmidt was dislodged from his holster, and caught on something in the rapidly sinking helo. The breakaway feature broke, and he was the last man to escape from the bird.

There are 60 MEU (SOC) pistols in the Company. They are authorized 110. They should have 300.

Posted: 5/22/2004 6:34:22 PM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
Now I'm confused, I just checked Springfields website and the MC Operator is pictured with the ML part #(PX9105ML)...When I clicked on the image, the MC picture pops up...Anybody else notice this or did I miss something here ??? Could it be they have the wrong part # on their site ???

Go back to the Springfield website, click on products, thn click 1911-A1, then click 1911A1 Loaded Pistols, then click operator, then click on the "IMAGE" link for the PX9105ML, then delete the M in PX9105ML in the address bar.

here's a link www.springfield-armory.com/images/pistols/PX9105LLarge.jpg

Posted: 5/23/2004 2:11:44 AM EDT

[#10]

Thanks Brewsky 101....

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