Posted: 1/1/2012 12:30:38 PM EDT
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Hey guys. I just recently moved to Utah and got my CCW, and ordered an MTAC for my G19. I should also mention that I have a belt from Beltman on the way, that I ordered about 30 days ago. Also, for informations sake, I am a skinny bastard, at 5'9 and 140lbs.
So here's the situation. While I'm waiting for my beltman order to come, I have been using my MTAC with a shitty cheap nylon? belt that I have. I am left handed, and carry at about 5 o'clock. I am having major problems with the retention of this holster with my G19. I have adjusted the retention screws on the body to the point that they are practically falling out, and the retention is still tight to the point that I am having major problems with drawing the pistol succesfully. It's just way too tight for comfort, and the draw is just pulling my belt/pants up with it. So my question is, will the addition of a Beltman belt in about a week make that big of a difference as far as ease of draw with the MTAC? I don't have any experience with CCW other than what I have posted here, so I don't know what to expect, or any other holsters/belts to draw comparisons from. Thanks. |
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My guess is the the new belt will definetly help. Since I use the mtac almost daily I can say I have had zero problems with your exact issue. I hesitate to ask but what's the chances of you putting the gun in a bind while drawing ? This would cause a issue that would appear to be holster retention but its actually operator error.
How hard is it to remove from the holster without it not being on your body ? Just for kicks try to pull the gun out of the holster one handed with the holster just laying on the bed or something..... |
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When you say, "put the gun in a bind" are you referring to drawing the pistol out of the holster at an improper angle? I don't think that this is the case, but I will try drawing a few times while concentrating on draw angle to make sure.
When the holster is outside of my pants, I have no problem drawing the pistol. Well, I reckon I'll atleast give the MTAC a try with the Beltman before I give up on it. Thanks! |
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How is the retention when you're not wearing it? If you backed out the retention screws all the way, there should be zero effort in drawing when it's not on you. Belts give more retention, since they obviously squeeze the holster on to you. Are you wearing this nylon belt particularly tight? I feel like my comp-tac is adjusted perfectly for retention, and it's nowhere near what you're talking about. You can wait for the belt, but I doubt it will make as much of a difference as you need.
If you've already adjusted the retention screws so much that they're about to fall out, and it's still too tight, it's time to call comp-tac. |
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If you are left handed are you using a right hand holster to carry at 5 O'clock? If so, you are pulling against the holster by pulling to the left instead of straight up and out.
If you're using a left handed holster at 5 then you are REALLY pulling against the holster instead of straight out. Left handers usually stay in the 9 O'clock to 7 O'clock range for holsters and that allows a close to straight up draw instead of the sharp angle draw. As to your new belt, by all means you have a super belt on the way to you. The beltman belts are unbeatable. When you get it you'll want to adjust your holster back to close to what it was when you got it then with the new belt start your trials. You holster should hold the gun in while held upside down at a general starting point to adjustments. Good luck and keep experimenting. |
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Quoted: hope you get it figured out... i have been running an mtac/beltman belt for a while now with zero issues same but with my riggers belt What holsters are you comparing to also OP? If all you are used to is an open top Uncle Mike's with a thumb break then yep, it's going to hold more than that. Just trying to get a feel for what you're used to. just an FYI - the draw SHOULD be a bit tight (you don't want it falling out if you have to run somewhere) - but a nice snappy pull should draw no problem. I'd say mine tugs on my pants a bit also but that's part of what the good belt is for. Hope you figure it out, they are great holsters |
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If you are left handed are you using a right hand holster to carry at 5 O'clock? If so, you are pulling against the holster by pulling to the left instead of straight up and out. If you're using a left handed holster at 5 then you are REALLY pulling against the holster instead of straight out. Left handers usually stay in the 9 O'clock to 7 O'clock range for holsters and that allows a close to straight up draw instead of the sharp angle draw. As to your new belt, by all means you have a super belt on the way to you. The beltman belts are unbeatable. When you get it you'll want to adjust your holster back to close to what it was when you got it then with the new belt start your trials. You holster should hold the gun in while held upside down at a general starting point to adjustments. Good luck and keep experimenting. Sorry mate, I was being dense and said 5 o'clock when I meant 7 o'clock  And I'm using a left-handed holster, so that shouldn't be the problem.
Ok, I'm going to try a few adjustments of the belt and draw angle and things and see if I can't get it figured out. From everything I've heard, MTACs are solid pieces of kit, so more than likely it's an error on my part than the holsters. Hopefully with the addition of a the proper belt in a few days, things will straighten out. One question I have for you guys is: How tight should I be cinching my belt up? Just barely snug? As tight as it'll go without discomfort? Little play in it? I ask because I understand that the tightness of my belt will add to the retention of the holster as well. Thanks for all the help guys! |
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If you are left handed are you using a right hand holster to carry at 5 O'clock? If so, you are pulling against the holster by pulling to the left instead of straight up and out. If you're using a left handed holster at 5 then you are REALLY pulling against the holster instead of straight out. Left handers usually stay in the 9 O'clock to 7 O'clock range for holsters and that allows a close to straight up draw instead of the sharp angle draw. As to your new belt, by all means you have a super belt on the way to you. The beltman belts are unbeatable. When you get it you'll want to adjust your holster back to close to what it was when you got it then with the new belt start your trials. You holster should hold the gun in while held upside down at a general starting point to adjustments. Good luck and keep experimenting. Sorry mate, I was being dense and said 5 o'clock when I meant 7 o'clock And I'm using a left-handed holster, so that shouldn't be the problem.
Ok, I'm going to try a few adjustments of the belt and draw angle and things and see if I can't get it figured out. From everything I've heard, MTACs are solid pieces of kit, so more than likely it's an error on my part than the holsters. Hopefully with the addition of a the proper belt in a few days, things will straighten out. One question I have for you guys is: How tight should I be cinching my belt up? Just barely snug? As tight as it'll go without discomfort? Little play in it? I ask because I understand that the tightness of my belt will add to the retention of the holster as well. Thanks for all the help guys! I tighten my belt just over the point where my pants won't droop. For each person, that's a different level of tight, but I'd say my belt is normally fairly snug, but I bought a gun belt so I didn't have to cut off my circulation anymore with a regular belt. I'd have that thing wrenched down hard, and my pants would still droop by my gun. Overall, no extreme, it's about the level of tight I wear without a gun. |