Posted: 7/14/2025 11:24:12 PM EDT
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Issues about the Sig P320 and safety has come up as many people know. Police departments are not allowing them anymore. I haven't heard anything about whether the military will abandon them or not. If these guns come on the used market, are there parts kits to make them as safe as other polymer striker fired guns? If a given P320 does not have a thumb safety, is it difficult to have an OEM one installed? Have their been any accidental discharges of the P320 when the thumb safety was on? |
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Most talk about the trigger not having its own dongle safety like Glocks and other striker fired pistols being an issue that if added wouldn’t allow the pistols to fire w/o actually pulling the trigger. There is a company (can’t remember who?) making such a thing as a replacement. Doesn’t work on AXG’s for some reason? This may or may not work? Don’t know, just passing the information along as it’s as close to an actual question to your question as I have come across. |
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Quoted: Most talk about the trigger not having its own dongle safety like Glocks and other striker fired pistols being an issue that if added wouldn’t allow the pistols to fire w/o actually pulling the trigger. There is a company (can’t remember who?) making such a thing as a replacement. Doesn’t work on AXG’s for some reason? This may or may not work? Don’t know, just passing the information along as it’s as close to an actual question to your question as I have come across. It may be that some of the NDs are from stuff like a loose string off of clothing catching the trigger, but some are definitely not that, and the trigger dingus won't fix the issue that can be demonstrated on the bench. |
| The issue right now is that nobody knows (or is admitting) EXACTLY what the root cause of the problem is. As such, nobody can give you a fix that is guaranteed to work. You could snag a cheap P320 and sit on it in the hope of such a solution becoming available, but I doubt it would save enough $$$ to be worthwhile. |
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Quoted: It is a flaming fucken POS... One did an OOB in my hand while at NTC Irwin. Never again. find a huge volcano...and dump every single fucken one ever made and then dump the Indian MIM company that made it also. Its ridiculous to source MIM parts from a country like India. Do the military P320s use the same Indian MIM parts? |
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Quoted: Issues about the Sig P320 and safety has come up as many people know. Police departments are not allowing them anymore. I haven't heard anything about whether the military will abandon them or not. If these guns come on the used market, are there parts kits to make them as safe as other polymer striker fired guns? If a given P320 does not have a thumb safety, is it difficult to have an OEM one installed? Have their been any accidental discharges of the P320 when the thumb safety was on? If it were that doable, the .gov agencies wouldn't be throwing them away. Short answer, is no. It's a range-table-top gun. You keep it empty, and load it at a gun-range when you are in your bay pointed towards your target area. Fire it to slide-lock, and then put it down. So you can use it for marksmanship training like that, if you really want to. |
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Quoted: Issues about the Sig P320 and safety has come up as many people know. Police departments are not allowing them anymore. I haven't heard anything about whether the military will abandon them or not. If these guns come on the used market, are there parts kits to make them as safe as other polymer striker fired guns? If a given P320 does not have a thumb safety, is it difficult to have an OEM one installed? Have their been any accidental discharges of the P320 when the thumb safety was on? The underlying issue with the 320 seems to be taking a hammer fired foundation and forcing it to be a striker fired system, compounded with swiss cheese style staking tolerances with parts Whatever you wind up doing, unless you are a gunsmith, you are just going to wind up with a discounted range toy that you probably shouldnt holster condition 1 (per the sig user manual btw) If you are looking for an inexpensive project I would suggest picking up one of the dirt cheap sig 226 or 229 DAK trade ins and doing the conversion back to sa / da there is a decent thread on it in the Sig forum and if an idiot like me can do it then you can it is a fun project and you really learn exactly how the gun works. So long as the barrel is good you essentially wind up with a new gun |
| The fact that these police departments adopted them and then removed them from duty citing reasons other than cost or obsolescence is probably enough of a hint for me to not pick one up. If I wanted a cheap police trade in, I would look for something that is a little more unique or "cool factor" anyway. |
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Quoted: The underlying issue with the 320 seems to be taking a hammer fired foundation and forcing it to be a striker fired system, compounded with swiss cheese style staking tolerances with parts Whatever you wind up doing, unless you are a gunsmith, you are just going to wind up with a discounted range toy that you probably shouldnt holster condition 1 (per the sig user manual btw) If you are looking for an inexpensive project I would suggest picking up one of the dirt cheap sig 226 or 229 DAK trade ins and doing the conversion back to sa / da there is a decent thread on it in the Sig forum and if an idiot like me can do it then you can it is a fun project and you really learn exactly how the gun works. So long as the barrel is good you essentially wind up with a new gun I didn't know Sig says not to holster in condition 1. That's ridiculous. I know the military holsters it in condition 3 but everyone else holsters it in condition 1. How much does it cost to have a 'smith convert the DAK trigger into sa/da around? |
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Quoted: In a world of cheap used Glocks and M&Ps that DON'T require a mod to be safe or come with the worry of being Schroedinger's Sig...this is a non-starter. This post just made me wonder if there were any bribes involved in having the military adopt the P320. |
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Quoted: I didn't know Sig says not to holster in condition 1. That's ridiculous. I know the military holsters it in condition 3 but everyone else holsters it in condition 1. How much does it cost to have a 'smith convert the DAK trigger into sa/da around? Quoted: Quoted: The underlying issue with the 320 seems to be taking a hammer fired foundation and forcing it to be a striker fired system, compounded with swiss cheese style staking tolerances with parts Whatever you wind up doing, unless you are a gunsmith, you are just going to wind up with a discounted range toy that you probably shouldnt holster condition 1 (per the sig user manual btw) If you are looking for an inexpensive project I would suggest picking up one of the dirt cheap sig 226 or 229 DAK trade ins and doing the conversion back to sa / da there is a decent thread on it in the Sig forum and if an idiot like me can do it then you can it is a fun project and you really learn exactly how the gun works. So long as the barrel is good you essentially wind up with a new gun I didn't know Sig says not to holster in condition 1. That's ridiculous. I know the military holsters it in condition 3 but everyone else holsters it in condition 1. How much does it cost to have a 'smith convert the DAK trigger into sa/da around? Ridiculous, but honestly the only safe option for that gun You can source the individual sig OEM parts yourself based on list in the sig forum, i paid a bit of a premium to get all the parts here  https://www.matrixprecisionparts.com/product/revenant-arms-parts-to-convert-dak-p226-p228-or-p229-to-da-sa/?omnisendContactID=66c801a8010d13c804136b6f&utm_campaign=automation%3A+Order+Confirmation+%2862ff3d2d78b150001d585425%29&utm_content=62ff3d2d78b150001d585426&utm_medium=email&utm_source=omnisendit took me a couple hours following a thread (ill look for it if your interested) if you have some patience and can assemble an AR you could do it otherwise would probably take a smith whatever they charge for an hour since its basically just a detail strip |
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Quoted: Ridiculous, but honestly the only safe option for that gun You can source the individual sig OEM parts yourself based on list in the sig forum, i paid a bit of a premium to get all the parts here https://www.matrixprecisionparts.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/dak-to-da-sa.jpeghttps://www.matrixprecisionparts.com/product/revenant-arms-parts-to-convert-dak-p226-p228-or-p229-to-da-sa/?omnisendContactID=66c801a8010d13c804136b6f&utm_campaign=automation%3A+Order+Confirmation+%2862ff3d2d78b150001d585425%29&utm_content=62ff3d2d78b150001d585426&utm_medium=email&utm_source=omnisend it took me a couple hours following a thread (ill look for it if your interested) if you have some patience and can assemble an AR you could do it otherwise would probably take a smith whatever they charge for an hour since its basically just a detail strip Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The underlying issue with the 320 seems to be taking a hammer fired foundation and forcing it to be a striker fired system, compounded with swiss cheese style staking tolerances with parts Whatever you wind up doing, unless you are a gunsmith, you are just going to wind up with a discounted range toy that you probably shouldnt holster condition 1 (per the sig user manual btw) If you are looking for an inexpensive project I would suggest picking up one of the dirt cheap sig 226 or 229 DAK trade ins and doing the conversion back to sa / da there is a decent thread on it in the Sig forum and if an idiot like me can do it then you can it is a fun project and you really learn exactly how the gun works. So long as the barrel is good you essentially wind up with a new gun I didn't know Sig says not to holster in condition 1. That's ridiculous. I know the military holsters it in condition 3 but everyone else holsters it in condition 1. How much does it cost to have a 'smith convert the DAK trigger into sa/da around? Ridiculous, but honestly the only safe option for that gun You can source the individual sig OEM parts yourself based on list in the sig forum, i paid a bit of a premium to get all the parts here https://www.matrixprecisionparts.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/dak-to-da-sa.jpeghttps://www.matrixprecisionparts.com/product/revenant-arms-parts-to-convert-dak-p226-p228-or-p229-to-da-sa/?omnisendContactID=66c801a8010d13c804136b6f&utm_campaign=automation%3A+Order+Confirmation+%2862ff3d2d78b150001d585425%29&utm_content=62ff3d2d78b150001d585426&utm_medium=email&utm_source=omnisend it took me a couple hours following a thread (ill look for it if your interested) if you have some patience and can assemble an AR you could do it otherwise would probably take a smith whatever they charge for an hour since its basically just a detail strip Are armorers able to do the job as well? Or maybe armorers certified in the Sig sa/da platform? |
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Quoted: Are armorers able to do the job as well? Or maybe armorers certified in the Sig sa/da platform? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The underlying issue with the 320 seems to be taking a hammer fired foundation and forcing it to be a striker fired system, compounded with swiss cheese style staking tolerances with parts Whatever you wind up doing, unless you are a gunsmith, you are just going to wind up with a discounted range toy that you probably shouldnt holster condition 1 (per the sig user manual btw) If you are looking for an inexpensive project I would suggest picking up one of the dirt cheap sig 226 or 229 DAK trade ins and doing the conversion back to sa / da there is a decent thread on it in the Sig forum and if an idiot like me can do it then you can it is a fun project and you really learn exactly how the gun works. So long as the barrel is good you essentially wind up with a new gun I didn't know Sig says not to holster in condition 1. That's ridiculous. I know the military holsters it in condition 3 but everyone else holsters it in condition 1. How much does it cost to have a 'smith convert the DAK trigger into sa/da around? Ridiculous, but honestly the only safe option for that gun You can source the individual sig OEM parts yourself based on list in the sig forum, i paid a bit of a premium to get all the parts here https://www.matrixprecisionparts.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/dak-to-da-sa.jpeghttps://www.matrixprecisionparts.com/product/revenant-arms-parts-to-convert-dak-p226-p228-or-p229-to-da-sa/?omnisendContactID=66c801a8010d13c804136b6f&utm_campaign=automation%3A+Order+Confirmation+%2862ff3d2d78b150001d585425%29&utm_content=62ff3d2d78b150001d585426&utm_medium=email&utm_source=omnisend it took me a couple hours following a thread (ill look for it if your interested) if you have some patience and can assemble an AR you could do it otherwise would probably take a smith whatever they charge for an hour since its basically just a detail strip Are armorers able to do the job as well? Or maybe armorers certified in the Sig sa/da platform? I would assume an armorer could do it. Like I said its essentially just a detail strip and then reassembly with different parts Im not sig armorer and I pulled it off ETA  P226/P229 Assembly/Disassembly and DAK to DASA Conversion |
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I have one that I SBRed for my Flux Raider. Not getting rid of it, as if I do carry it (more of a bag gun), it has the chamber empty. Similarly, I don’t carry any other long gun with a round chambered. I did a few quick tests, to the best of my ability/reading comprehension… and I could not get the sear to trip. Not meaning I’m trusting the gun… but I feel good enough with it. I also have a M18 setup… minus the safety. I don’t plan on carrying it. Now, if SIG does the big boy thing and figures it out and recalls the effected FCUs/slides/strikers/whatever combination that has issues… I’ll send in the slides and/or FCU for upgrade. But not holding my breath on it. I already have a P365 that I’m putting into a Flux Raider 365 setup. Will SBR it after the tax is reduced. That will ultimately take the place of the P320… as I consider it a much better design. I’ll swap a spring every couple of thousands of rounds without any questions. And I’ll probably run it with an empty chamber, as well. |
| I wish the P365 would have gotten a good chunk of the leo and government contracts, although I don't know if there is or how much the price difference is between the 2 models. I like the 320 in theory but after having one or two and realizing how short the trigger pull is, I will only use it for a range gun. Just a personal preference for me due to years of shooting other guns like a Glock, M&P, etc., where there is some take up before the wall/break of the trigger. |
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Quoted: I wish the P365 would have gotten a good chunk of the leo and government contracts, although I don't know if there is or how much the price difference is between the 2 models. I like the 320 in theory but after having one or two and realizing how short the trigger pull is, I will only use it for a range gun. Just a personal preference for me due to years of shooting other guns like a Glock, M&P, etc., where there is some take up before the wall/break of the trigger. My 2nd P365's FCU had the sear pocket machined too wide. The sear pin (pn# 22 ) only held on to the inside (passenger side) wall by 0.020 thousands of an inch. When fully assembled correctly.  I thought that the factory pin was simply short and ordered a new pin. The new pin was 0.002 shorter than the one that came with the gun.  Sold that fucking POS gun two days later. Pulled apart my first P365. It had a much smaller sear pocket. That sear pin held on by a whopping 0.040 thousandths. Got rid of it too. I don't recommend Sig to anyone. |
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Quoted: Issues about the Sig P320 and safety has come up as many people know. Police departments are not allowing them anymore. I haven't heard anything about whether the military will abandon them or not. If these guns come on the used market, are there parts kits to make them as safe as other polymer striker fired guns? If a given P320 does not have a thumb safety, is it difficult to have an OEM one installed? Have their been any accidental discharges of the P320 when the thumb safety was on? I cant imagine a PD would sell their 320s. Talk about two helpings of liability the PD would open themselves up to |
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Quoted: I cant imagine a PD would sell their 320s. Talk about two helpings of liability the PD would open themselves up to Quoted: Quoted: Issues about the Sig P320 and safety has come up as many people know. Police departments are not allowing them anymore. I haven't heard anything about whether the military will abandon them or not. If these guns come on the used market, are there parts kits to make them as safe as other polymer striker fired guns? If a given P320 does not have a thumb safety, is it difficult to have an OEM one installed? Have their been any accidental discharges of the P320 when the thumb safety was on? I cant imagine a PD would sell their 320s. Talk about two helpings of liability the PD would open themselves up to Pretty sure that's where the multiple used 320s at my distributors are coming from. Qualified immunity and all that. |