Posted: 2/17/2013 9:19:11 AM EDT
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I want a pocket CC pistol for times when I don't want to / can't dress properly to wear my G19 iwb. I'm looking for semi-auto, flat, "just pull the trigger," .380.
Is the Ruger LCP the best in its class for what it is as far as quality and cost? |
| I spent a lot of time on this topic. Look at the energy of the 22 mag. I carry an American Arms for times like you describe. I have a bucket of 380s and the Ruger is nice and light. I have The Crimson Trace unit on it and love the combo. Without the laser the reduction in size is also nice. I realize this is not an auto but I think it would really work well for the conditions you describe. I hate going into a restaurant and having my coat clunk into something. The sounds makes it pretty clear that you have a friend along. I have sold this stuff and if you are set on how something looks then do the Ruger. I understand how it is when you get an idea that you really want something a certain way. |
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My regular carry is my G19. I bought an LCP. What I don't like about it is the trigger reset. After years of shooting Glocks, I'm used to the short trigger reset for follow-up shots. Problem with the LCP is that there are TWO clicks as you release the trigger after firing. If you only release the trigger to the first click, the gun won't fire. You have to release the trigger almost all the way to the second click for your next shot. God forbid, I'm afraid if I ever had to use it to defend myself, I'd get one shot off and that's it. The LCP will likely be sold...YMMV. ETA: A Diamondback DB9 is now my backup/mousegun. Only slightly larger than the LCP, but 9mm. |
| I have the lcp thats in my pocket100% of the time. The trigger does suck but its carry gun so they tend to have heavy triggers. I do own many other guns that people would consider carry guns (xdm 3.8, g23, taurus milpro) all of which can not beat the ease of 7 hot 380s in my pocket and light enough to put in gym shorts. Does it measure up to a full size 1911, no it doesn't. But then again in Florida i cant put a full size 1911 in my gym shorts while wearing a tank top. |
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Florida boy (OK old man) here...currently, an LCP is the last in a long line of pocket guns... if you choose an LCP, P3AT, P32 put a dab of epoxy behind the trigger to keep the trigger axis pin in place...I would be tempted to carry a Beretta M21 in .22lr if the grip was the thickness of an LCP
a couple of mouse guns for relative size comparison... LCP, P3AT, Beretta 21, Beretta 950, Wilkinson Sherry, NAA 
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Quoted: Actually, it is. In fact, dry-firing my DB sounds just like a Glock dry-firing. Only difference is that while the Glock trigger bar moves in a linear fashion, the DB is rotary. The DB does have a longer trigger reset than the Glocks, but at least it's only one click.Quoted: Is the trigger more like a Glock's on the DB? No. It is nothing like a glock trigger. ETA: Clarification - the "feel" of the trigger is not very similar to a Glock. The way it operates, mechanically, is. |
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Actually, it is. In fact, dry-firing my DB sounds just like a Glock dry-firing. Only difference is that while the Glock trigger bar moves in a linear fashion, the DB is rotary. The DB does have a longer trigger reset than the Glocks, but at least it's only one click.
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Is the trigger more like a Glock's on the DB? No. It is nothing like a glock trigger. ETA: Clarification - the "feel" of the trigger is not very similar to a Glock. The way it operates, mechanically, is. Must be a subjective thing. Was nothing like it to me. The striker on the glock is "half-cocked" while the striker on the DB is not. The trigger pull is a long, but pretty smooth and not especially heavy on the DB. The reset on the DB requires the trigger to go pretty much all the way out. I have yet to find another gun that has a trigger like a Glock. I had game ending issues with DB, and will not recommend them to anyone. That said, the trigger was not a complaint of mine. While I didn't think it was anything like my Glock, I do think it has a pretty good trigger compared to the LCP and the P3AT. Full disclosure, my pocket gun now is a Kahr in 9mm. I almost never carry that. EDC is Glock 26 IWB. |
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I have a Ruger LCP and I HATE, HATE, HATE the trigger. Trying to keep the gun on target while pulling that heavy creapy trigger on that tiny little gun is difficult, and I don't have huge hands. I wish it had the trigger of my brother's TCP. I've thought about buying a TCP to carry instead. I just don't know if the Taurus is as reliable. |
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Must be a subjective thing. Was nothing like it to me. The striker on the glock is "half-cocked" while the striker on the DB is not. The trigger pull is a long, but pretty smooth and not especially heavy on the DB. The reset on the DB requires the trigger to go pretty much all the way out. I have yet to find another gun that has a trigger like a Glock. I had game ending issues with DB, and will not recommend them to anyone. That said, the trigger was not a complaint of mine. While I didn't think it was anything like my Glock, I do think it has a pretty good trigger compared to the LCP and the P3AT. Full disclosure, my pocket gun now is a Kahr in 9mm. I almost never carry that. EDC is Glock 26 IWB. DB9 had the best trigger of any of the double action 9mm pocket pistols I handled, and I handled basically all of them and most newer .380 designs. It also has usable sights, something not terribly common in pocket pistols. Excellent size and weight, good price, its a pistol you really want to like, but it keeps failing, atleast mine does, and if you do a quick search you'll find I'm far from being alone. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. |
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I have a Ruger LCP and I HATE, HATE, HATE the trigger. Trying to keep the gun on target while pulling that heavy creapy trigger on that tiny little gun is difficult, and I don't have huge hands. I wish it had the trigger of my brother's TCP. I've thought about buying a TCP to carry instead. I just don't know if the Taurus is as reliable. Don't worry. Taurus usually isn't reliable. They make two guns that are reliable. The one is the Beretta 92 clone, the second is their revolvers (and even that is a crap shoot). |
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it is hard to beat the LCP.
Mine functions. The trigger is lousy but it is a last ditch kind of affair. It really could stand a better set of sights and I have considered getting a better pair machined into the wee thing. I carry it in a Desantis Superfly pocket holster. In size it is about the same as a wallet. I would buy another LCP if something nasty happened to the one I have. |
| Can't go wrong with the LCP. It's so thin and flat it's easy to carry. Better to carry something than nothing. I don't mind the trigger. It's nothing special but it'll do the job. Have not had one malfunction with it. I only have one spare mag for it though, so expensive for some reason. |
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Must be a subjective thing. Was nothing like it to me. The striker on the glock is "half-cocked" while the striker on the DB is not. The trigger pull is a long, but pretty smooth and not especially heavy on the DB. The reset on the DB requires the trigger to go pretty much all the way out. I have yet to find another gun that has a trigger like a Glock. I had game ending issues with DB, and will not recommend them to anyone. That said, the trigger was not a complaint of mine. While I didn't think it was anything like my Glock, I do think it has a pretty good trigger compared to the LCP and the P3AT. Full disclosure, my pocket gun now is a Kahr in 9mm. I almost never carry that. EDC is Glock 26 IWB. DB9 had the best trigger of any of the double action 9mm pocket pistols I handled, and I handled basically all of them and most newer .380 designs. It also has usable sights, something not terribly common in pocket pistols. Excellent size and weight, good price, its a pistol you really want to like, but it keeps failing, atleast mine does, and if you do a quick search you'll find I'm far from being alone. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. I could have written this exact statement. I agree 100%. |
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I want a pocket CC pistol for times when I don't want to / can't dress properly to wear my G19 iwb. I'm looking for semi-auto, flat, "just pull the trigger," .380. Is the Ruger LCP the best in its class for what it is as far as quality and cost? All things considered, I landed on the LCP as my answer to that question. I added a CT laser unit to it and I've been happy with it. It's been reliable and it's plenty accurate if I do my part on the trigger. |
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I have not shot the LCP but I hear it is much like the LC9 which I have just sold. The reason was the trigger it is a very very long trigger pull and even with practice I find grouping my shots very difficult. Follow up shots also are more difficult to acquire IMHO due to the long reset of the trigger.
Having a gun is better then not having one and it is very easy to conceal and carry which is why I bought it and even debated if I should sell it. However after my wife bought the Sig p938 and I tried a P238 I would highly recommend either over a LCP. |
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Diamondback DB9.
Why carry a 380 when you can carry a 9mm at almost the exact same size? Not to mention the fit and finish is great, the sights are actually usable, and it has the best trigger I've ever felt on a pocket gun. Long enough for a pocket gun, but not too heavy with a very crisp break and a definitive reset. Most of the pocket 380s have triggers like a staple gun. I have had no issues with mine at all. I know other people have not had the same results. For what it is worth though several co-workers of mine bought one after I did and also had no issues. I hand cycled the slide 200+ times when I got it to break it in a bit then cleaned and lubed it and went out and shot 100 rds of various ammo with no issues. |
| I have had the Ruger LCP nothing wrong with it worked fine just no fun to shoot. Then purchased the Diamondback .380 don't get me started. Don't buy one as a matter of fact avoid at all cost until they can get over half of them to work. I now have the Kahr P380 with night sights. Great shooter and you can go to the range and blast with it and not feel like your hand fell off. Had a few others but by far the Kahr has been the best. |
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I've got an LCP and don't understand all the hate for the trigger, unless I just got a very good one. Sure, it's a little long, but if you just treat it as a DA revolver trigger, it works out very well, for me anyway. Just pull it, smoothly and evenly. Hell, even my wife and 12 year old daughter do very well with my LCP. Mine, anyway, is smooth as can be and works out very well. My only bitch with the LCP is that it only comes in blued. I'd go out and buy 2 more tomorrow if they came out with a stainless version with stainless mags.
The LCP, and the other mouse guns, are compromises. They are as small and light as can be while still being kinda, sorta shootable and reliable. The long DA trigger is a concession to the fact that a lot of people will, wisely or not, load it up and just throw it in a pocket or purse when carrying. I think, if I was doing it, I'd design a Glock-style trigger, light and pretty short pull, to make the gun as easy to shoot as possible. However, companies like Ruger are so law-suit sensitive that they won't do that for legal reasons. Maybe they are right, maybe they are wrong, but it is what it is. Just be glad that the LCP and others weren't designed now. If they were, with the new laws in various states about safeties and loaded chamber indicators, we'd be seeing an LCP that looks like the LC9, with all kinds of extraneous safeties and projections. Bub75 |
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Although the Kahr seems to be well thought of, I have no experiance with it and so would not offer an opinion on it. I have a Beretta 21A and a 950, an NAA .32 Guardian, a KelTec P3AT, a pair of NAA 22 Mags (1&1/8" bbl), and a Ruger LCP. I suppose I should include a Schmeiser .25, a Colt 1908 Vest Pocket and a pair of Astras, a 22 short and a 25. I trust the Ruger and the KelTec to go bang every time I pull the trigger!
I assume that you will automatically discount the opinion of anyone comparing an LCP to a Glock trigger, since other then setting in a trigger guard, they have absolutely nothing in common.  LCPs are not target, plinking or IDPA match guns, they are for close range, "get the hell off of me" type use and as such, fill that ticket perfectly.
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I shot a friends Sig P238 last night. It's an amazing little gun. It performed perfectly out of the box, but it was also a pleasure to shoot. The sights were excellent, and the trigger was excellent....1911esq. It's still small enough to ride comfortably in my pocket.
Though a little more pricey...I may have found my mouse gun. |
| Hey, the Sig P238 is a really good pistol. Had heard of the reviews and bought one last November and loved it right out. Some people will not like it because it is single action only, but it fits a pocket good. Get a good pocket holster and no one will be able to see it. |