Posted: 9/27/2010 3:20:10 PM EDT
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So I traded into a CZ over the weekend. I've read plenty of good things about the CZ75 family of pistols here and other places, so when the opportunity came up to trade for a CZ75 P-01 I thought, why not? I have or had most all the major 9mms over the years, including Beretta, SIG, H&K, FN, Glock, Ruger, Walther, etc., and I must say I'm impressed with this little gun.
It was built in '08, and looks to have been shot some but not too extensively. I put 194 rounds through it, mostly fmj but some hps, and it ran flawlessly. And for a compact it's very accurate! After the first mag I was shooting it as well as I shoot my Berettas, which I have a lot of trigger time on. Ergonomics are very good - feels good in the hand. There might be something to all the CZ75 propaganda I've heard all these years. 
I like this little pistol! Here's the obligatory pic: 
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Ergonomics are very good - feels good in the hand. http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp146/dkm455/cz1.jpg Yep, Nice ain't it. 
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So I traded into a CZ over the weekend. I've read plenty of good things about the CZ75 family of pistols here and other places, so when the opportunity came up to trade for a CZ75 P-01 I thought, why not? I have or had most all the major 9mms over the years, including Beretta, SIG, H&K, FN, Glock, Ruger, Walther, etc., and I must say I'm impressed with this little gun. It was built in '08, and looks to have been shot some but not too extensively. I put 194 rounds through it, mostly fmj but some hps, and it ran flawlessly. And for a compact it's very accurate! After the first mag I was shooting it as well as I shoot my Berettas, which I have a lot of trigger time on. Ergonomics are very good - feels good in the hand. There might be something to all the CZ75 propaganda I've heard all these years.
I like this little pistol! Here's the obligatory pic: http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp146/dkm455/cz1.jpg some people take a little longer to figure things out. |
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75s are made all over the world - including those made by CZ.
-Bren 10 is a 75. -Armalite AR-24 is a 75. -the Magnum Research Jericho or baby eagle is a 75 -Tanfoglio is a 75. -Colt Z-40 and Springfield Armory P9s were 75s. 75 is just a basic design - like the 1911. Lots of variations on that. 
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75s are made all over the world - including those made by CZ. -Bren 10 is a 75. -Armalite AR-24 is a 75. -the Magnum Research Jericho or baby eagle is a 75 -Tanfoglio is a 75. -Colt Z-40 and Springfield Armory P9s were 75s. 75 is just a basic design - like the 1911. Lots of variations on that. But all of those are based on the CZ 75. I've never heard anyone refer to those CZ 75 copies as "75s". If someone tells me they have a "75", I expect it to be a CZ. |
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75s are made all over the world - including those made by CZ. -Bren 10 is a 75. -Armalite AR-24 is a 75. -the Magnum Research Jericho or baby eagle is a 75 -Tanfoglio is a 75. -Colt Z-40 and Springfield Armory P9s were 75s. 75 is just a basic design - like the 1911. Lots of variations on that. With the exception of the abortive Colt Z40, none of those are CZs. They are clones, and by and large not as good as the originals. Real CZ 75s are made in the Czech Republic, not in Turkey, Italy, Israel, or Florida (Gaaaak). Accept no substitutes, there can be only one. |
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75s are made all over the world - including those made by CZ. -Bren 10 is a 75. -Armalite AR-24 is a 75. -the Magnum Research Jericho or baby eagle is a 75 -Tanfoglio is a 75. -Colt Z-40 and Springfield Armory P9s were 75s. 75 is just a basic design - like the 1911. Lots of variations on that. With the exception of the abortive Colt Z40, none of those are CZs. They are clones, and by and large not as good as the originals. Real CZ 75s are made in the Czech Republic, not in Turkey, Italy, Israel, or Florida (Gaaaak). Accept no substitutes, there can be only one. Bit like saying "Only COLT-brand 1911s! Accept no substitutes, there can be only one." You are entitled to your opinion. Fact is, the 1911 is simply a pattern which many makers follow, just like the 75. I like all 75s - including those made by CZ. Also, your list is not complete (nor is mine): "Turkey, Italy, Israel, or Florida (Gaaaak)" Switzerland, China, Brazil, Russia, Spain, and a few others I don't recall or can't remember. |
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75s are made all over the world - including those made by CZ. -Bren 10 is a 75. -Armalite AR-24 is a 75. -the Magnum Research Jericho or baby eagle is a 75 -Tanfoglio is a 75. -Colt Z-40 and Springfield Armory P9s were 75s. 75 is just a basic design - like the 1911. Lots of variations on that. With the exception of the abortive Colt Z40, none of those are CZs. They are clones, and by and large not as good as the originals. Real CZ 75s are made in the Czech Republic, not in Turkey, Italy, Israel, or Florida (Gaaaak). Accept no substitutes, there can be only one. Bit like saying "Only COLT-brand 1911s! Accept no substitutes, there can be only one." You are entitled to your opinion. Fact is, the 1911 is simply a pattern which many makers follow, just like the 75. I like all 75s - including those made by CZ. Also, your list is not complete (nor is mine): "Turkey, Italy, Israel, or Florida (Gaaaak)" Switzerland, China, Brazil, Russia, Spain, and a few others I don't recall or can't remember. The CZ is the best by far. Other companies have tried to copy it or improve it with little success. Get a CZ. |
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75s are made all over the world - including those made by CZ. -Bren 10 is a 75. -Armalite AR-24 is a 75. -the Magnum Research Jericho or baby eagle is a 75 -Tanfoglio is a 75. -Colt Z-40 and Springfield Armory P9s were 75s. 75 is just a basic design - like the 1911. Lots of variations on that. With the exception of the abortive Colt Z40, none of those are CZs. They are clones, and by and large not as good as the originals. Real CZ 75s are made in the Czech Republic, not in Turkey, Italy, Israel, or Florida (Gaaaak). Accept no substitutes, there can be only one. Bit like saying "Only COLT-brand 1911s! Accept no substitutes, there can be only one." You are entitled to your opinion. Fact is, the 1911 is simply a pattern which many makers follow, just like the 75. I like all 75s - including those made by CZ. Also, your list is not complete (nor is mine): "Turkey, Italy, Israel, or Florida (Gaaaak)" Switzerland, China, Brazil, Russia, Spain, and a few others I don't recall or can't remember. That line does not compute. A 75 is a CZ. The name "1911" is a long established term at this point, just like "AR15". You're the first person I've ever heard that's referred to 75 copies as 75s, and certainly the first to refer to the CZ 75 as "one of the 75s". I see where you're going with it, but the terminology as of now is simply not recognized in that way, nor do I think it should be. |
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Bit like saying "Only COLT-brand 1911s! Accept no substitutes, there can be only one." You are entitled to your opinion. Fact is, the 1911 is simply a pattern which many makers follow, just like the 75. I can buy any 1911 trigger and it will fit within any 1911 (barring the usual 1911 fitting required) If I buy a CZ75 trigger and try to throw it into a Turkish or Italian gun, I'm more than likely going to encounter troubles. Try again. |
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Bit like saying "Only COLT-brand 1911s! Accept no substitutes, there can be only one." You are entitled to your opinion. Fact is, the 1911 is simply a pattern which many makers follow, just like the 75. I can buy any 1911 trigger and it will fit within any 1911 (barring the usual 1911 fitting required)If I buy a CZ75 trigger and try to throw it into a Turkish or Italian gun, I'm more than likely going to encounter troubles. Really? Including a Para Ord P14? Or a STII Edge? Or a Bul 5.0? Or any widebody for that matter? BTW - the ONLY dimensional difference between 75s made by CZ & those made in Italy is the diameter of the pivot pin. Otherwise, they are identical. |
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75s are made all over the world - including those made by CZ. -Bren 10 is a 75. -Armalite AR-24 is a 75. -the Magnum Research Jericho or baby eagle is a 75 -Tanfoglio is a 75. -Colt Z-40 and Springfield Armory P9s were 75s. 75 is just a basic design - like the 1911. Lots of variations on that. With the exception of the abortive Colt Z40, none of those are CZs. They are clones, and by and large not as good as the originals. Real CZ 75s are made in the Czech Republic, not in Turkey, Italy, Israel, or Florida (Gaaaak). Accept no substitutes, there can be only one. Bit like saying "Only COLT-brand 1911s! Accept no substitutes, there can be only one." You are entitled to your opinion. Fact is, the 1911 is simply a pattern which many makers follow, just like the 75. I like all 75s - including those made by CZ. Also, your list is not complete (nor is mine): "Turkey, Italy, Israel, or Florida (Gaaaak)" Switzerland, China, Brazil, Russia, Spain, and a few others I don't recall or can't remember. The name "1911" is a long established term at this point, just like "AR15". You're the first person I've ever heard that's referred to 75 copies as 75s, and certainly the first to refer to the CZ 75 as "one of the 75s". I see where you're going with it, but the terminology as of now is simply not recognized in that way, nor do I think it should be. Have to start someplace. Besides, too few buyers understand how similar these guns all are. Thus, they treat every "new" gun on the market (i.e. the AR-24) just like its a completely new invention rather than a variation on a design introduced in 1975 (by CZ). |
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I had a CZ P-01 and loved it, but I sold it all too cheap to my son-in-law who now makes thrice the money I make. Want another one badly. I also have a Beretta 92FS and it is fantastic, but still want to get me another CZ75 P-01 or SP01.
By the way, CZ makes awfully fine shooting rifles as well. I have a CZ527 in .223 with a single-set trigger that goes off at about 6 oz. without work. CZ –– except for the years they were co-opted into making junk for the USSR –– makes a lot of high end firearms at reasonable prices. |
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Bit like saying "Only COLT-brand 1911s! Accept no substitutes, there can be only one." You are entitled to your opinion. Fact is, the 1911 is simply a pattern which many makers follow, just like the 75. I can buy any 1911 trigger and it will fit within any 1911 (barring the usual 1911 fitting required)If I buy a CZ75 trigger and try to throw it into a Turkish or Italian gun, I'm more than likely going to encounter troubles. Really? Including a Para Ord P14? Or a STII Edge? Or a Bul 5.0? Or any widebody for that matter? BTW - the ONLY dimensional difference between 75s made by CZ & those made in Italy is the diameter of the pivot pin. Otherwise, they are identical. Actually that's not true. They are similar but not identical. On witness pistols when the trigger is pulled the firing pin safety comes down out of the slide. On the cz the trigger mechanism pushes up against the firing pin safety and spring. Also the firing pin is held in the cz with a roll pin while the witness is similar to a 1911 with the firing pin plate. As for other parts I'm not sure. Mark |
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Bit like saying "Only COLT-brand 1911s! Accept no substitutes, there can be only one." You are entitled to your opinion. Fact is, the 1911 is simply a pattern which many makers follow, just like the 75. I can buy any 1911 trigger and it will fit within any 1911 (barring the usual 1911 fitting required)If I buy a CZ75 trigger and try to throw it into a Turkish or Italian gun, I'm more than likely going to encounter troubles. Really? Including a Para Ord P14? Or a STII Edge? Or a Bul 5.0? Or any widebody for that matter? BTW - the ONLY dimensional difference between 75s made by CZ & those made in Italy is the diameter of the pivot pin. Otherwise, they are identical. Actually that's not true. They are similar but not identical. On witness pistols when the trigger is pulled the firing pin safety comes down out of the slide. On the cz the trigger mechanism pushes up against the firing pin safety and spring. Also the firing pin is held in the cz with a roll pin while the witness is similar to a 1911 with the firing pin plate. As for other parts I'm not sure. Mark I should have been more clear: I was referring to the actual triggers (which are identiacal other than the diameter of the pivot pin). As for the other supposed "difference" you mentioned, that is not true for all CZs. The pre-B 75s did not use the role pin to retain the FP. They had a stop just like the BHP or 1911 (or Tanfoglio). There have been many variations on the FP used BTW. Futhermore, the 85 Combat does not have any "Series 80" type FP safety at all, nor does the CZ Champion or certain models of the past & current Gold Team Tanfoglios. Look - there are certainly variations on 1911s; no one argues that a Colt series 80 1911 is NOT a 1911 simply because some of the parts are different. |
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My first experience with a CZ was a surplus CZ-82 (9x18) that I purchased for $189. I was shocked and impressed that a $189 gun could be so good. Perfect ergonomics, better accuracy than should be expected, and as reliable as they come. Even at $400 it would rate a "buy". At $189, it was (and still is) an absolute steal. Where else can you get an excellent condition, military-quality, "I'd trust my life to this" pistol for under $200?
With this experience in mind, I bought a CZ P-01. And while it wasn't the bargain that my 82 was, it is just as fine of a gun. I'd go so far as to say the CZ-75/P-01 belongs on any "Top Five 9mm's" list. I'm just amazed they haven't caught on even more in the U.S. The combination of ergonomics, accuracy, durability and reliablity is tough to beat. Then again, there are a lot of under-rated pistols that come out of Eastern Europe, such as the Arcus 98DAC and the Grand Power K100 (STI GPX6 in America) |
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Bit like saying "Only COLT-brand 1911s! Accept no substitutes, there can be only one." You are entitled to your opinion. Fact is, the 1911 is simply a pattern which many makers follow, just like the 75. I can buy any 1911 trigger and it will fit within any 1911 (barring the usual 1911 fitting required)If I buy a CZ75 trigger and try to throw it into a Turkish or Italian gun, I'm more than likely going to encounter troubles. Really? Including a Para Ord P14? Or a STII Edge? Or a Bul 5.0? Or any widebody for that matter? BTW - the ONLY dimensional difference between 75s made by CZ & those made in Italy is the diameter of the pivot pin. Otherwise, they are identical. Actually that's not true. They are similar but not identical. On witness pistols when the trigger is pulled the firing pin safety comes down out of the slide. On the cz the trigger mechanism pushes up against the firing pin safety and spring. Also the firing pin is held in the cz with a roll pin while the witness is similar to a 1911 with the firing pin plate. As for other parts I'm not sure. Mark I should have been more clear: I was referring to the actual triggers (which are identiacal other than the diameter of the pivot pin). As for the other supposed "difference" you mentioned, that is not true for all CZs. The pre-B 75s did not use the role pin to retain the FP. They had a stop just like the BHP or 1911 (or Tanfoglio). There have been many variations on the FP used BTW. Futhermore, the 85 Combat does not have any "Series 80" type FP safety at all, nor does the CZ Champion or certain models of the past & current Gold Team Tanfoglios. Look - there are certainly variations on 1911s; no one argues that a Colt series 80 1911 is NOT a 1911 simply because some of the parts are different. 
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So I traded into a CZ over the weekend. I've read plenty of good things about the CZ75 family of pistols here and other places, so when the opportunity came up to trade for a CZ75 P-01 I thought, why not? I have or had most all the major 9mms over the years, including Beretta, SIG, H&K, FN, Glock, Ruger, Walther, etc., and I must say I'm impressed with this little gun. It was built in '08, and looks to have been shot some but not too extensively. I put 194 rounds through it, mostly fmj but some hps, and it ran flawlessly. And for a compact it's very accurate! After the first mag I was shooting it as well as I shoot my Berettas, which I have a lot of trigger time on. Ergonomics are very good - feels good in the hand. There might be something to all the CZ75 propaganda I've heard all these years.
I like this little pistol! Here's the obligatory pic: http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp146/dkm455/cz1.jpg Dude, it AIN'T propaganda if it's true!! 
(P.S.- I have a CZ 75B in .40. It is my daily CCW and the 2nd best service pistol I ever owned (after my 1911A1 of course!)). |
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My first experience with a CZ was a surplus CZ-82 (9x18) that I purchased for $189. I was shocked and impressed that a $189 gun could be so good. Perfect ergonomics, better accuracy than should be expected, and as reliable as they come. Even at $400 it would rate a "buy". At $189, it was (and still is) an absolute steal. Where else can you get an excellent condition, military-quality, "I'd trust my life to this" pistol for under $200? With this experience in mind, I bought a CZ P-01. And while it wasn't the bargain that my 82 was, it is just as fine of a gun. I'd go so far as to say the CZ-75/P-01 belongs on any "Top Five 9mm's" list. I'm just amazed they haven't caught on even more in the U.S. The combination of ergonomics, accuracy, durability and reliablity is tough to beat. Then again, there are a lot of under-rated pistols that come out of Eastern Europe, such as the Arcus 98DAC and the Grand Power K100 (STI GPX6 in America) me too, but that just leave more for me. i just wish i had bought more before the prices gone up. but it still doesnt keep me from buying them. |
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So I traded into a CZ over the weekend. I've read plenty of good things about the CZ75 family of pistols here and other places, so when the opportunity came up to trade for a CZ75 P-01 I thought, why not? I have or had most all the major 9mms over the years, including Beretta, SIG, H&K, FN, Glock, Ruger, Walther, etc., and I must say I'm impressed with this little gun. It was built in '08, and looks to have been shot some but not too extensively. I put 194 rounds through it, mostly fmj but some hps, and it ran flawlessly. And for a compact it's very accurate! After the first mag I was shooting it as well as I shoot my Berettas, which I have a lot of trigger time on. Ergonomics are very good - feels good in the hand. There might be something to all the CZ75 propaganda I've heard all these years.
I like this little pistol! Here's the obligatory pic: http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp146/dkm455/cz1.jpg Good purchase. I love my P01. |
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OP have you put any more rounds through your P-01 yet? How are you liking the trigger? I am thinking about picking up a P-01 soon. I've put another 200 or so through it. Trigger is fine in SA, so-so in DA. Accuracy continues to impress, as does the overall feel to me (which I realize is highly subjective), and I've had no stoppages or malfunctions. I'm really bad to swap pistols around - I like to try different stuff. For example I just traded an XD45 that I liked for an M&P 45 just to see how the M&P is. But I'm thinking the P-01 is a keeper. I might keep my eye out for an SP-01........
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OP have you put any more rounds through your P-01 yet? How are you liking the trigger? I am thinking about picking up a P-01 soon. I've put another 200 or so through it. Trigger is fine in SA, so-so in DA. Accuracy continues to impress, as does the overall feel to me (which I realize is highly subjective), and I've had no stoppages or malfunctions. I'm really bad to swap pistols around - I like to try different stuff. For example I just traded an XD45 that I liked for an M&P 45 just to see how the M&P is. But I'm thinking the P-01 is a keeper. I might keep my eye out for an SP-01........ If you do get an SP-01, I would suggest a DA/SA version and not the decocker. The trigger is usually better and trigger jobs are much easier to do. |
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OP have you put any more rounds through your P-01 yet? How are you liking the trigger? I am thinking about picking up a P-01 soon. I've put another 200 or so through it. Trigger is fine in SA, so-so in DA. Accuracy continues to impress, as does the overall feel to me (which I realize is highly subjective), and I've had no stoppages or malfunctions. I'm really bad to swap pistols around - I like to try different stuff. For example I just traded an XD45 that I liked for an M&P 45 just to see how the M&P is. But I'm thinking the P-01 is a keeper. I might keep my eye out for an SP-01........ If you do get an SP-01, I would suggest a DA/SA version and not the decocker. The trigger is usually better and trigger jobs are much easier to do. thats what i just got and i'm extremely impressed with it so far. I'll put a few hundred rounds through it in the next couple days. |
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OP have you put any more rounds through your P-01 yet? How are you liking the trigger? I am thinking about picking up a P-01 soon. I've put another 200 or so through it. Trigger is fine in SA, so-so in DA. Accuracy continues to impress, as does the overall feel to me (which I realize is highly subjective), and I've had no stoppages or malfunctions. I'm really bad to swap pistols around - I like to try different stuff. For example I just traded an XD45 that I liked for an M&P 45 just to see how the M&P is. But I'm thinking the P-01 is a keeper. I might keep my eye out for an SP-01........ Thanks. I too am trying to find the perfect 9mm. I am selling my M&P 9 right now to fund a CZ, just can't figure out which CZ! |
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OP have you put any more rounds through your P-01 yet? How are you liking the trigger? I am thinking about picking up a P-01 soon. I've put another 200 or so through it. Trigger is fine in SA, so-so in DA. Accuracy continues to impress, as does the overall feel to me (which I realize is highly subjective), and I've had no stoppages or malfunctions. I'm really bad to swap pistols around - I like to try different stuff. For example I just traded an XD45 that I liked for an M&P 45 just to see how the M&P is. But I'm thinking the P-01 is a keeper. I might keep my eye out for an SP-01........ Thanks. I too am trying to find the perfect 9mm. I am selling my M&P 9 right now to fund a CZ, just can't figure out which CZ! If you dont mind the weight or the price look at the SP-01 Shadow or the TS. They are excellent. 
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