Posted: 1/27/2014 8:01:27 PM EDT
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Ok so I need your help. Im working on a project but before I can go any further I need some input from CZ fans.
Lets say you were to attend a "dynamic", "Combat".........pistol course and you could/had to run a CZ, what would it be and what caliber? This course would have some fundamentals, barricade shooting, positional shooting, malfunctions..... and so on. Why would you want to run that specific model? I would really appreciate any input you guys can give me. Thanks |
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SP-01 tactical in 9mm. Heavy so I could shoot it all day without any discomfort, forward slide serrations would help with malfunction drills, high cap magazines and beveled magwell makes reloads quicker, longer magazines are easier to manipulate, decocker version is arguably safer/easier for less experienced shooters For smaller shooters that didn't like the heft of the SP-01, a P-01 would be a good alternative. |
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High round count class I'd go 9mm. Easier on pocketbook and hands. I personally like the SP01 w/ safety. If you go with the decock models I'd practice that first long pull. Secondly test the ammo you are going to use especially the Russian steel case stuff. Primers are hard and ammo is weak but available and cheaper. That said most of it will go boom you just might have an occasional stove pipe or require a second strike and not really a big deal. Have a good belt and holster.
Classes are fun. |
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Partly it depends on your own experience and familiarity not only with CZ's, but pistols in general. Have you ever taken a course before? Is this a level 1, 2, or 3 course? Caliber: 9mm Ammunition is quite a bit less expensive, and easier to handle with a full day, or days, of shooting. I have taken these classes with a 75B DA/SA model in 9mm. One class I had to manually decock every round of shooting, the others you could run it like you normally would (in my case, SA only). Taking another course soon, I will probably take my P-07 as the DA pull is pretty good and decocking it is a breeze. The P-07 will have more recoil, which will of course lead to more fatigue. It weighs less though...
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In a CZ, like a Hi Power, I'd stay with 9mm Para as that's the round it was designed for and it is extremely reliable with the 9mm Para round.
The additional magazine capacity in 9mm Para is also a plus, Finally, the lighter recoil tends to promote faster double taps and controlled pairs. My preference in CZs is a CZ75 Compact and since I carry it, I'd use it in the course. It has a steel frame and the additional weight lends itself to faster reduced recoil and faster follow up shots. As noted above, some instructors may have issue with it being a DA pistol and insist on it being carried in DA mode despite the option to carry it either in Condition 1 (cocked and locked over a loaded chamber, or carried hammer down and safety off, but with the hammer on the quarter cock notch to shorten the trigger reach and trigger pull. Personally, I don't think having to decoct the non-decocker equipped CZ75s is all that difficult, so I'd still stay with a non decocker model. |
| If you do not know the instructor, or someone who has taken classes from them, call and ask if they have a preference, or the range does. While manually decocking is not hard, it does get really tedious doing it over 100 times in a day (for 2 days). While I like the instructors, I just won't take that pistol for those courses. |
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There are a couple of CZ075's that I would use, all of them 9mm. Personally I would stick with the steel frame guns and with a de-cocker model. That leaves you a couple of choices as have been brought up. There are good reasons for de-cockers but as you have seen its a personal preference thing, I will save that battle for another day. (Besides the "cocked and locked" crowd is never going to change anyway). The full sized steel guns are heavier which is good when shooting a lot. I have one full sized steel gun and a lighter P-01 to compare. The smaller gun is easier to carry, the larger model is better to shoot a lot of ammo through.
The CZ's are stone reliable and you have magazine choices. For high round count days I like the 75-BD or the SP-01 Tactical....but everyone has their favorite. I love the P-07 but not for massive amounts of shooting. You can never just own one... |
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Any proper CZ, in 9mm.
Proper CZs are: - All steel (none of this lightweight-alloy or polymer stuff) - Safety-equipped (none of this silly decocker stuff) And can be either DA/SA or SAO. I personally would run either my CZ75B-SA or my standard SP-01; if low-light is involved, then the SP-01. (As I run it with a TLR-1, and it also has night sights. The SA is set up with all-black sights, as are most all of my pistols.) |
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Thanks for all the responses. I'm not taking a class, working in something else.
I have another question if you don't mind. What would you like to see in a basic, intermediate and advanced pistol class focusing on CZ pistols? Any thing you have done in other classes that you wouldn't do or something you didn't you you would have like to or felt you should have? Thanks again guys, I appreciate it. |
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Any proper CZ, in 9mm. Proper CZs are: - All steel (none of this lightweight-alloy or polymer stuff) - Safety-equipped (none of this silly decocker stuff) And can be either DA/SA or SAO. I personally would run either my CZ75B-SA or my standard SP-01; if low-light is involved, then the SP-01. (As I run it with a TLR-1, and it also has night sights. The SA is set up with all-black sights, as are most all of my pistols.) I'll counter - P-07 9mm TLR-1s Night sights Cajun Gun works internals (double action is a LOT better) Decocker |
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I've used an SA and my 75 stainless in classes and prefer the SA overall. The extended beavertail and single action trigger are improvements over the standard 75.
I'm not a fan of 3 dot sights and before I had the CGW fiber optic on the SA had blacked out the rears and painted the front sight white. |
| One I wouldn't overlook for such a class would be the CZ 85 Combat model. That's a very nice 9mm CZ with ambidextrous controls, external safety, and adjustable sights. Look up the features list, its not under-equipped for its price point. Now as a right eye/hand shooter the ambi stuff doesn't call to me as much as the 75's but the 85 has a handful of desirable features at its price point. |
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I'll counter - P-07 9mm TLR-1s Night sights Cajun Gun works internals (double action is a LOT better) Decocker Quoted:
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Any proper CZ, in 9mm. Proper CZs are: - All steel (none of this lightweight-alloy or polymer stuff) - Safety-equipped (none of this silly decocker stuff) And can be either DA/SA or SAO. I personally would run either my CZ75B-SA or my standard SP-01; if low-light is involved, then the SP-01. (As I run it with a TLR-1, and it also has night sights. The SA is set up with all-black sights, as are most all of my pistols.) I'll counter - P-07 9mm TLR-1s Night sights Cajun Gun works internals (double action is a LOT better) Decocker Want to sell or trade that P-07? 
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Want to sell or trade that P-07?
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Any proper CZ, in 9mm. Proper CZs are: - All steel (none of this lightweight-alloy or polymer stuff) - Safety-equipped (none of this silly decocker stuff) And can be either DA/SA or SAO. I personally would run either my CZ75B-SA or my standard SP-01; if low-light is involved, then the SP-01. (As I run it with a TLR-1, and it also has night sights. The SA is set up with all-black sights, as are most all of my pistols.) I'll counter - P-07 9mm TLR-1s Night sights Cajun Gun works internals (double action is a LOT better) Decocker Want to sell or trade that P-07?
That's flattering but it was a valentine's day gift from my wife years ago. I'd like to get the ATEi top wave serrations done and a patriot brown cerakote. Threaded barrel is also in the works as well as a full grip stipple 
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I'm not a fan of 3 dot sights and before I had the CGW fiber optic on the SA had blacked out the rears and painted the front sight white. I am however a big fan of 3 dot tritium night sights and feel they are essential on a personal defense pistol. The two preferences work well together though as you can use a black sharpie to color over the tritium dots on either the rear sights alone or both the front and rear sights based on your front sight preferences. In the dark the tritium will glow right through the sharpie, but in daylight you'll still have nice black sights. |