[ARCHIVED THREAD] - New 92FS (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 12/20/2007 2:33:17 PM EDT
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I just put a new 92FS on layaway!! I stopped by my local shop, and he had a police special, brand new with the 3 mags, etc. for $465. I drove home, thought about it awhile, and then went back and put that thing in layaway!!  Hopefully I will pay it off in a few weeks and get a new toy. This will be my first Beretta, but I used to own a Taurus PT-92 and loved it. I have missed it every since I sold it, so I am really excited to be replacing it with something better! Been thinking about one for a couple of months now, and that was too sweet a deal to pass up. |
 May I suggest you get two things to improve this gun? 1) Get a reduced mainspring from Wolff Gunsprings. This reduces the trigger pull weight & allows one to achieve a bit lighter trigger without sacrificing reliability. 2) Get a new "trigger return spring assembly" also. This seems to be THE weak point in the 92FS design for some reason. The aftermarket version is MUCH stouter & more reliable. My .o2 
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3. Clean the pistol before shooting it, and remember to lube the hell out of the barrel lock and it's plunger as well. If left dry during break in, ythis could cause some stroking problem. 4. While your ordering a D hammer model spring from Wolff, pick up a 14lb recoil spring as well. The 13lb factory spring is a bit weak for about everything short of light target loads unless you have a tendency to limp wrist; especially once the pistol has broken in. |
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Speaking of plastic-coated parts; where can I get the metal trigger, safety, and guide rod? BerettaUsa was a no-go for the safety and trigger.... |
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For the trigger, check with Numrich to see if they have any USGI M-9 steel triggers in stock. Note:a M-9 is the same as a 92fs with all metal parts. Wolff sells both the springs and steel recoil rods, and they can be ordered direct for them or bought through Brownells. Note: Brownells used to carry M-9 replacement parts, but looks like they dropped the line (in cat #57 and older). I just went through #59 and #60 and can no longer find them. |
So if one is going Beretta shopping, an M9 is preferable? |
Older M-9's, yes, but since you would be buying a new commercial M-9, it may be loaded with polymer components (Berretta upgrades?) as well. Bottom line is before you buy any 92/M-9, pull the slide and check out what parts are in it. |
It all depends on what you want on the slide. The M9 has the M9 stamping The 92F "Police Special" has a shield with a PS in on the slide 92f has the 92f stamping etc, etc, etc Do you want the M9A1 with the rail that is yet another option. All current production has the non metal parts. |
Had the factory trigger job done by Beretta which apparently replaces the D spring. Really an improvement, but the Beretta .22 kit does not work reliably with this configuration. About 20% no-fires due to light firing pin hits. Not a huge detail, but annoying. Beretta Customer Service denies that the D spring is replaced during this mod, but one of their write-ups lists the spring change as part of the procedure. Single action trigger pull dropped about 50% with the mod. |
5. Get a solid steel guide rod to replace the plastic one. |
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If I were you, I would just leave the gun as is and shoot the hell out if. 1) The factory recoil spring will allow you to fire any ammo reliably. If you shoot 95% UMC, WWB, and Wolf, it doesn't make sense to put a heavier recoil spring in to prevent theoretical damage from +P ammo. 2) The plastic guiderod is a quality part. I've never heard of a problem with them. Same for the plastic mag release button and trigger. 3) The trigger return springs do have a reputation for occasional failures. I bought one of the metal M9 parts kits when I got my 92FS. If the trigger return spring on mine fails, I'll replace the plastic trigger and install the Wolff trigger spring pack. Until then, I'll just keep shooting. |
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My M9 was my CCW gun and my primary go-to-gun....it even saved my life once. I have moved on to other guns, more suited to my purpose but I still love my Beretta. I shot it again not that long ago just for fun and fell in love all over again.Its probably the smoothest/softest shooting 9mm out there. Reliability/accuracy are superior. I had circa 2006 logo CTC lasergrips installed until I replaced them with the new"milspec" model recently. While it doesn't ride shotgun with me daily like it did in days past, I still trust it with my life and will keep it until I give it to my son. My trigger return spring broke too. I hadn't shot it in months before this happened. I took it out of the box to give it a once over and make sure it was good-to-go and sufficiently oiled. I dry fired it once to put it away and the return spring snapped. This gun hasn't had nearly enough rounds to expect this breakage and thus it was a suprise. I replaced this part with a Beretta factory spring, and all is well. This definatly seems like a weak link and I would be interested in a better spring. Does Wolff really make a better spring than Beretta for this application an is it a drop in mod? I have both a black metal guide rod with silver spring and chrome guide rod with gold spring for my M9. The black/silver combo seems a little light when using +P loads, whereas the the chrome/gold seems a little stiffer. It could be because the black assembly is a little older, or maybe its in my head...  I have a SERPA drop leg and CQC SERPA and appropirate mag pouches/light clips for my Beretta. I don't know if there is a better holster for the M9 than the SERPA...I ve had several and if there is better, I haven't found it yet. I have SERPAs for all my guns except my G21SF, for which no holster seems to exist.  I also have a Tick rail which works famously. I would like a M9A1, but I just cant give up the classic McLean/Riggs lines of the M9/92FS and the Tick rail gives me all the benefit of the M9A1. I have around 26 or 28 factory post ban 15 round magazines and around 16 or 18 17 round 90-Two magazines, which I primarly use. I also have 10 Mecgar 15 round magazines which I use for practice. Did I mention that I also have the Beretta M9/92FS tactical folder w/bi tone tanto blade? Being that I love my M9, it saved my life and I am balls deep in it, I will never get rid of it.Everyone who is 21 years old, can legally own a handgun and pays taxes should be issued a M9 in the mail. It should be the right of every American citizen to own the current standard serivce pistol, just for paying taxes an being a responsible citizen. Much like the border regions in der Scwiez...Since this is only a fantasy and will never happen, every gun owner should buy one. These are amazing guns, certainly one of the best fighting 9mm's out there. |
The Wolff spring is a drop in and it's very much worth it. It's a different kind of spring, when you see it you will know what I mean. |
I just picked up a new 92fs last week. It is my 3rd one. The other two were sold a long time ago The funny thing was that when I bought this one my Glock 23 was on my hip. I sold my last 92 12 years ago to buy that G23! I figured since I carry a Ber. 92D Cent. on duty and like it alot I should get another 92fs since I have always liked them.P.S. Don't beat me beacuse I got rid of a gun! I've done that enough already
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What kind of jam is it? FTF, FTE? stovepipe? |
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Failure to Load. I fire the round in the chamber, it ejects properly, but the round coming off of the magazine doesn't go into the chamber, instead tipping up and proping open the slide. I figured it might be a magazine, but I've had the same result with three different magazines and only fromt he Federal Whitebox 115gr ball ammo. |
What does the new round do? Do you get a stove pipe or does the slide just not go all the way? If it's the latter, try a new reciol spring, if it's the former, you may be limpwristing. Either that or something is screwed up with the pistol. |
| The new round will pop part way out of the ejection port and when the slide goes forward the round will actually keep the slide from going all the way forward. But it only does it for the one type of ammunition and didn't start until about 300 rounds in. The local gunsmith couldn't find a cause. |
Sounds like the bullet is hitting the feed ramp and bouncing up instead of going into the chamber. The Beretta typically feeds by shooting the round straight into the chamber. It could be that your magazines sit too low or hold the bullet at too low of an angle. You said you have this problem with all your mags -- what mags exactly are you using? Other than that, take a look at the ramp at the 6 o'clock of the barrel's chamber. Any bumps, scratches, or otherwise unsmooth surfaces that could contribute to this? ETA: That sucks that you're having problems. I've found the Beretta to be one of THE most reliable designs around. It will quite honestly feed, fire, and eject without a hitch stuff that brings down my Glocks and my dad's Sig 9mm (low-powered handloads that seem to be too long a profile for the other guns). It's as reliable as my best 1911s. |
The magazines I am using are 15 rd Beretta magazines. I mean, they were manufactured by Beretta and aren't aftermarket or third party magazines. I don't see any scratches/dings/pitting/bumps/anything else on the feed ramp or any of the surfaces a round would come in contact with. I dunno what else it could be to be honest, and like I mentioned, neither did the local gunsmith I took it to. Maybe I'll give Beretta a call if I can't get any better results after changing out the recoil spring. |
You mentioned one kind of ammo. What kind is it? |
I dunno bro. That is definitely weird. I'm sorry that you're having such trouble -- like I said, mine is my model for reliability. I know that I can feed it my trouble ammo and it'll run without a hitch. |
I said Federal White box, but it's the Winchester White Box 115gr FMJ ammo. I took a look at the feed ramp again and noticed som small scratches in the polished surface. I don't know that they'd be large enough to make a difference because I had to really look to see them, but who knows. I did notice that the slide seemed to hiccup or hesitate for a second before cycling forward after reassembling it. |
That's something -- the Berettas are usually butter smooth in their cycling. Take a look at the rails on the frame and slide. Anything there? How are you lubing the gun? |
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I believe the 92FS is better, but my Brothers 96 INOX beretta was an absolute piece of shit that could not hit the same AREA twice. You honestly couldn't shoot a full sized man at 10 yards, that bitch was all over the place, and sucked at extraction too. I believe the 92 is a better platform though, from what i've heard, and people have actually said it's accurate..which makes me wonder what the fuck happened to the 96... |
My M9 is scary accurate. Uber-reliable, super accurate, a real soft shooter, and it has a great trigger in SA (and it's pretty smooth, although heavy in DA). I can get some fantastic groups at 25 and 50 yards -- especially for a sub-$500 production gun. It's not super-sexy or the newest thing on the planet, but I'm sold on it -- it's an amazing platform. It's just HUGE for a 9mm carry gun. If I had to take a 9mm to go to battle with, this would be it. |
Try different ammo as well. Maybe some 124gr from GA Arms, perhaps? There's the rare occurance when a gun just does NOT like a particular brand of ammo for whatever reason. Good luck!
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