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7/14/2004 1:28:42 PM EDT
Is Failure to Feed a common problem with Glock pistols?
I bought a Gen 3 Glock 19 a couple weeks ago, and have put about 100rds thru it.
Every other magazine I have a failure to feed, where the slide is held openand the bullet is half out of the mag.
If I retract the slide and let it go, the bullet will then feed, but it is a temporary loss of firepower; as I have to stop, take eyes & focus off target to get the bullet into the chamber.
I am wondering if this is a common issue for Glock pistols, and how it can be fixed. I have owned nothing but Hk for many years, and now I am regreting this purchase. At least for the moment.
It is a nice weapon, but this is just not the reliability that I want or need when it comes to a personal CCW. Oh and it doesn't matter which ammo or mag I use ( have six 10rd & 1 17rd mags)

Thanks~db

**Edit to add**

I did read the post below about the Glocks jamming. . .
I used to own a Glock 27 with no problems, and now carry a HK USP .45 compact also with no problems like I am having with the new G19
7/14/2004 1:41:09 PM EDT
[#1]
I would say it is probably a very uncommon issue with Glocks.  My G23 has well over 10K rounds through it with zero problems, and a friend's G19 has the same flawless record.  Could it be an issue with the magazine, or do they all do it?  
7/14/2004 1:47:35 PM EDT
[#2]
I heard Klinton 2183 mag followers causing problems for G19s. While mine doesn't, it might be worth while to try 9mm1/9mm3 etc folloers instead.

If that doesn't work, take it to armorer, or detail strip it and see anything is wrong.

7/14/2004 1:50:53 PM EDT
[#3]
You are the problem with the GLOCK. You are limp wristing it. Glocks are balanced so well , that if you do not grip it correctly you will  cause  a FTF. You need a glock shooter to shoot it and you'll see it functions fine. You are probably not holding it high enough.

J
7/14/2004 3:14:12 PM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
You are the problem with the GLOCK. You are limp wristing it. Glocks are balanced so well , that if you do not grip it correctly you will  cause  a FTF. You need a glock shooter to shoot it and you'll see it functions fine. You are probably not holding it high enough.

J



I find it odd that the Glock guys always blame the ammo or the shooter when they're 100% reliable pistol, isn't quite 100% reliable.
7/14/2004 3:22:30 PM EDT
[#5]
I'd say strip it. Clean it really good while inspecting the rails and slide for any high/rough spots or burrs. Oil it per the Glock instructions and try it again. I use a bit more oil than Glock suggests.
If that dont work, send it back. It should run fine out of the box.
7/14/2004 4:08:12 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
I'd say strip it. Clean it really good while inspecting the rails and slide for any high/rough spots or burrs. Oil it per the Glock instructions and try it again. I use a bit more oil than Glock suggests.
If that dont work, send it back. It should run fine out of the box.



A GLOCK only has 5 points to lube. Anything more is a waste of your cleaning product.
#1 inside of slide under your front sight where the barrel rest
#2&3 Side rails of the slide. Stand slide upright and let one drop run down each side.
#4 Barrel.. Around the outside and inside the barrel lug.
#5 The most important part, Where the trigger bar and connector make contact. Place the frame on it's side ejection port facing up ( as if the slide were still attached ) and apply one small drop where the two meet in the trigger housing.

Let an experienced GLOCK shooter run it. 99.9% of the time it's the shooter limp wristing the gun.

J

7/14/2004 4:12:02 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I'd say strip it. Clean it really good while inspecting the rails and slide for any high/rough spots or burrs. Oil it per the Glock instructions and try it again. I use a bit more oil than Glock suggests.
If that dont work, send it back. It should run fine out of the box.



A GLOCK only has 5 points to lube. Anything more is a waste of your cleaning product.
#1 inside of slide under your front sight where the barrel rest
#2&3 Side rails of the slide. Stand slide upright and let one drop run down each side.
#4 Barrel.. Around the outside and inside the barrel lug.
#5 The most important part, Where the trigger bar and connector make contact. Place the frame on it's side ejection port facing up and apply one small drop where the two meet in the trigger housing.

Let an experienced GLOCK shooter run it. 99.9% of the time it's the shooter limp wristing the gun.

J




Is someone writing all of this down!    If it's a glock....it the shooter.    If it's anything else, get a glock and it won't happen.  



7/14/2004 4:14:09 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
Is Failure to Feed a common problem with Glock pistols?
I bought a Gen 3 Glock 19 a couple weeks ago, and have put about 100rds thru it.
Every other magazine I have a failure to feed, where the slide is held openand the bullet is half out of the mag.
If I retract the slide and let it go, the bullet will then feed, but it is a temporary loss of firepower; as I have to stop, take eyes & focus off target to get the bullet into the chamber.
I am wondering if this is a common issue for Glock pistols, and how it can be fixed. I have owned nothing but Hk for many years, and now I am regreting this purchase. At least for the moment.
It is a nice weapon, but this is just not the reliability that I want or need when it comes to a personal CCW. Oh and it doesn't matter which ammo or mag I use ( have six 10rd & 1 17rd mags)

Thanks~db

**Edit to add**

I did read the post below about the Glocks jamming. . .
I used to own a Glock 27 with no problems, and now carry a HK USP .45 compact also with no problems like I am having with the new G19




Nope.   It the shooter....It can't be the Glock.  

7/14/2004 4:14:31 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I'd say strip it. Clean it really good while inspecting the rails and slide for any high/rough spots or burrs. Oil it per the Glock instructions and try it again. I use a bit more oil than Glock suggests.
If that dont work, send it back. It should run fine out of the box.



A GLOCK only has 5 points to lube. Anything more is a waste of your cleaning product.
#1 inside of slide under your front sight where the barrel rest
#2&3 Side rails of the slide. Stand slide upright and let one drop run down each side.
#4 Barrel.. Around the outside and inside the barrel lug.
#5 The most important part, Where the trigger bar and connector make contact. Place the frame on it's side ejection port facing up ( as if the slide were still attached ) and apply one small drop where the two meet in the trigger housing.

Let an experienced GLOCK shooter run it. 99.9% of the time it's the shooter limp wristing the gun.

J





What I meant was that I put a little more oil on than the one drop that Glock recommends.
7/14/2004 4:49:39 PM EDT
[#10]
I actually stripped & lubed it when I got it, and again after I shot 50-80rds thru it.
I removed the copper colored grease that came on it out of the box and used CLP after 100rds as it was getting all over the exterior of the slide & grip leaving the copper everywhere.
So I guess it is me....even though I owned a Glock prior and never had this trouble. right?

This is the second new weapon I have bought that wouldn't function properly out of the box in the last two months. The other was a Springfield M1A Scout and it just came back from the factory.
I have yet to try it out, but I can say one thing IMHO ... Springfield's customer service sucks!
They could give a rat's ass if your weapon didn't work, and wouldn't say anything other than send it back . . . and even after that, they didn't communicate with me once. Hopefully they fixed the damn thing so I can sell it. I knew I should have stuck with HK which I have never had any troubles with. But I guess this is all circumstance & the shooter  
7/14/2004 6:36:06 PM EDT
[#11]
The copper thing is to help the break-in process.

Try to detail strip that thing and see if any of them has defect. Glocks should run 100% out of the box. If not either the parts are not to spec or someone did not assemble it correctly.
7/14/2004 6:52:27 PM EDT
[#12]
My glock pistols have not done this.
7/14/2004 6:55:51 PM EDT
[#13]
Is it the last round out of the mag doing this?

What ammo are you feeding it?
7/14/2004 7:09:54 PM EDT
[#14]
I've had this happen, but the problem was most likely weak mag springs or bad mags.  This caused rounds not to be pushed up quickly enough.  In some cases, the follower appeared to be grinding against the inside of the mag; in others, the spring was just too weak and introduced a noticeable delay.  Going with Glock factory mags fixed this.
7/14/2004 7:15:13 PM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:
I actually stripped & lubed it when I got it, and again after I shot 50-80rds thru it.
I removed the copper colored grease that came on it out of the box and used CLP after 100rds as it was getting all over the exterior of the slide & grip leaving the copper everywhere.
So I guess it is me....even though I owned a Glock prior and never had this trouble. right?

This is the second new weapon I have bought that wouldn't function properly out of the box in the last two months. The other was a Springfield M1A Scout and it just came back from the factory.
I have yet to try it out, but I can say one thing IMHO ... Springfield's customer service sucks!
They could give a rat's ass if your weapon didn't work, and wouldn't say anything other than send it back . . . and even after that, they didn't communicate with me once. Hopefully they fixed the damn thing so I can sell it. I knew I should have stuck with HK which I have never had any troubles with. But I guess this is all circumstance & the shooter  


Wow, my experience with Springfield Armory's customer service was overwhelmingly positive.  Must've been the phone operator's bad day or something.
7/14/2004 7:18:56 PM EDT
[#16]
I'v bought 3 Glocks new, G21, G30, and G21, in that order, and no I haven't had the problems you are talking about. Other problems, maybe.

Strip it, clean it, oil it "good".

Next class, most problems in semi-auto firearms are caused by what? MAGAZINES.

Keep track of the FTF, it just may be that 1 mag is involved in all the problems, capeche?
7/14/2004 7:26:19 PM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:
I would say it is probably a very uncommon issue with Glocks.  My G23 has well over 10K rounds through it with zero problems, and a friend's G19 has the same flawless record.  Could it be an issue with the magazine, or do they all do it?  



I have a 3rd gen G19 with the same flawless record.

If you have a big enough barrel of apples you may find a bad one... you may just have that one bad one.

YOu may want to consider sending it to Glock to look at.  Glock's cust service is great.
7/15/2004 6:00:12 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:
I actually stripped & lubed it when I got it, and again after I shot 50-80rds thru it.
I removed the copper colored grease that came on it out of the box and used CLP after 100rds as it was getting all over the exterior of the slide & grip leaving the copper everywhere.
So I guess it is me....even though I owned a Glock prior and never had this trouble. right?

This is the second new weapon I have bought that wouldn't function properly out of the box in the last two months. The other was a Springfield M1A Scout and it just came back from the factory.
I have yet to try it out, but I can say one thing IMHO ... Springfield's customer service sucks!
They could give a rat's ass if your weapon didn't work, and wouldn't say anything other than send it back . . . and even after that, they didn't communicate with me once. Hopefully they fixed the damn thing so I can sell it. I knew I should have stuck with HK which I have never had any troubles with. But I guess this is all circumstance & the shooter  



Removing that "copper colored grease" was a bad idea. That "grease" is a special anti-seize lubricant manufactured by Fel-Pro, INC. It has a temperature range from -95 to +1800 degrees.

Over lubing it will cause a build up of oil,grease, and unburned powder residue. That will cause failures. Which in-turn is still the shooter's fault. 70% of L.E.O.'s wouldn't carry GLOCKS if they were not reliable.

J
7/15/2004 6:21:10 PM EDT
[#19]
like I said J ... it's all me
That greese doesn't need to be so thick that it spreads everywhere onto the frame and grip everytime I touch the damn thing. I didn't remove it ALL, just the extra pain in the ass stuff that was leaving copper residue everywhere because whoever put it on, friggin got it all over the thing like spilled toothpaste.     So give me a friggin break!
7/15/2004 6:41:26 PM EDT
[#20]
Dude i'll tell you! I am not doubting with you are saying but I have a Glock 19, my brother had a Glock 19 and other family members have Glocks. I have never seen a Glock jam even once in my life. I trained with one at Blackwater and put prolly a 1000 rounds through it as did a couple of the guys I was training with (had their own Glocks). As I say i've never seen one jam. However there was an issue with those mag followers previously mentioned. While mine personally has never jammed, I know some who have had them jam on the last round out of the clip. I called Glock and they are going to replace mine anyways as soon as they get some in.

I'd have to agree with the others on this forum. 1. Removing the copper colored lube was a bad idea. The Glock manual specifically tells you not to remove the lube. 2. You are or have done something wrong to or with the pistol. Limp wristed shooting can occassionally cause failures to feed and will sometimes prevent the slide locking back on the last round (again the manual says so). I suggest calling Glock to see what they tell you. Oh and M1A's don't jam either!