Posted: 6/2/2016 8:33:21 PM EDT
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For the first time in years, I am Glock free in my collection.
I sold my 20SF & 29 to fund buys of 10mm 1911s. I just sold my 19 to help fund the purchase of a FN 9mm with night sights. I got the hammer version as I'm just not crazy about striker fired guns. Despite changing all of the Glock OEM triggers to 3.5lb models, I just could never come to like them, much less love them. Felt like squeezing an over-ripe orange or something. Not to mention, Glocks simply have no soul what so ever, IMO. This is my second FN handgun, my first being their .45acp hammer version. I also look forward to much better accuracy. Even my inexpensive ATI 10mm 2011 out shot my Glock 20SF. 
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Quoted: Why would anyone want that if they could have a single stack 45 Quoted: Quoted: See ya when Glock comes out with a 10mm single stack. Why would anyone want that if they could have a single stack 45 "For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.” |
| Sometimes it's like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. Some people are never going to like Glocks no matter how hard they try. I love their reliability and durability but I'll never like shooting them. For me, there are many guns that feel better in my hands and are easier to shoot well. |
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I sold all 4 glocks years ago and have stuck with sig, fnx tactical and even xdm's (which i perfer over glocks). I still often recommend novice first time handgunners to look at the g19 just because total value of cost, function and aftermarket support is still top of the scale.
i could never shoot my gen3 glocks as good as i ever shot my gen2 19. |
| I won a 19 in a raffle a few years back and even at the price of free (well except the stupid tax forms they sent me) I felt like it was overpriced. Never could understand the obsession with them and sold it shortly after. Bought a sig p320 a few months back and it feels like this is what other polymer guns were trying to accomplish but just never could. |
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Sometimes it's like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. Some people are never going to like Glocks no matter how hard they try. I love their reliability and durability but I'll never like shooting them. For me, there are many guns that feel better in my hands and are easier to shoot well. That's my take. While I like most guns and admire Glock for their simplicity, it's not a natural shooter for me. Everyone suggests you get used to it and such, but it'd be the oddball of my bunch in that respect. If issued I would have been happy to use one. I'm not investing in it myself. Some Glock owners seem to take a personal affront if you don't own one. It's quite peculiar. It's just another gun. The 1980's are long past. There's other choices. |
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That's my take. While I like most guns and admire Glock for their simplicity, it's not a natural shooter for me. Everyone suggests you get used to it and such, but it'd be the oddball of my bunch in that respect. If issued I would have been happy to use one. I'm not investing in it myself. Some Glock owners seem to take a personal affront if you don't own one. It's quite peculiar. It's just another gun. The 1980's are long past. There's other choices. Quoted:
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Sometimes it's like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. Some people are never going to like Glocks no matter how hard they try. I love their reliability and durability but I'll never like shooting them. For me, there are many guns that feel better in my hands and are easier to shoot well. That's my take. While I like most guns and admire Glock for their simplicity, it's not a natural shooter for me. Everyone suggests you get used to it and such, but it'd be the oddball of my bunch in that respect. If issued I would have been happy to use one. I'm not investing in it myself. Some Glock owners seem to take a personal affront if you don't own one. It's quite peculiar. It's just another gun. The 1980's are long past. There's other choices. Yeah there really are alot who get really butthurt if you dont like thier glock. I can get them at blue label and i still perfer to buy other guns. |
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Just traded my last Glock for the M&P. Other than the increase in mag prices, I couldn't be happier. I did the same 5-6 years ago. Now I love my M&P's! And yes they are all Apex'd out with night sights and great holsters too to boot. But... I've been kicking the idea around of trading the M&P's for more CZ P-01's and SP-01 models; and at least a 97B in .45acp. They, along with my one and only Springer 1911; are the best semi-auto pistols I've ever owned or shot. |
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Glocks aren't for everyone - you need good trigger control. Most people blame the arrow - but it's the Indians skill that's important. Let's see: I own a S&W 41, S&W 52, Anschutz, Les Baers, Sig P-210, H&K P7M8, multiple H&K USP's, etc. I don't seem to have any trigger control issues with any of those.
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So you bought Glock handguns even though you aren't crazy about striker fired handguns and then say you decided to get rid of all your Glocks. Very interesting indeed  .Not the striker issue that bothered me, it was the spongy trigger. The Sig 320 has a damn fine trigger, as does the H&K VP9. Both of the latter are polymer guns, both have souls. The Glocks do not............ |
I really don't get that Bob. A soul? To me it's a beautiful thing when you find a piece of machinery you've come to trust with useage. The more useage and reliability, the more "soul" it gets. Glock doesn't have a corner on that market but I know many people would say their's fit the bill. That soul thing is definitely subjective. 
It's like I had a couple of pretty vanilla cars that fit me right. I drove all over creation. And eventually you get sentimental about the car even though the paint looks like crap, there are coffee stains on the seats and you took the hubcaps off because they look worse than the steel wheels underneath. Kind of a thing. Now that's soul baby. 
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Been there, done that. Currently switching back to Glock.
I went like this: G19 Gen 3--> G19 Gen 4--> M&P 9 FS--> G17 Gen 4--> Beretta 92 Brigadier--> Vickers G17 I thought the M&P would get me out of a Glock--no dice. I thought the smooth lines and "soul" of a Beretta 92 Brigadier would make me stay away from Glock--it didn't. My main reasons for getting back into the Glock are 1) Aftermarket support and 2) consistency. Many other guns can be accurate and reliable, but the most compelling reasons to stay Glock are the ability to have a gun in any size and caliber you want but still have the same trigger pull and controls, and the aftermarket support. As an interesting aside, I've found that after shooting, dry firing, and owning the Beretta 92 for about a year before selling, that the Glock doesn't point naturally for me anymore (because I trained with the 92 and got used to the higher bore axis). I think this is easily overcome with training, but when I first got a Glock again I couldn't believe how high it pointed for me. Also, I never realized how heavy that Beretta was until I got a Glock 17 again. Same amount of ammo, but WOW there is a huge difference in weight. |
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For the first time in years, I am Glock free in my collection. I sold my 20SF & 29 to fund buys of 10mm 1911s. I just sold my 19 to help fund the purchase of a FN 9mm with night sights. I got the hammer version as I'm just not crazy about striker fired guns. Despite changing all of the Glock OEM triggers to 3.5lb models, I just could never come to like them, much less love them. Felt like squeezing an over-ripe orange or something. Not to mention, Glocks simply have no soul what so ever, IMO. This is my second FN handgun, my first being their .45acp hammer version. I also look forward to much better accuracy. Even my inexpensive ATI 10mm 2011 out shot my Glock 20SF. |
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For the first time in years, I am Glock free in my collection. I sold my 20SF & 29 to fund buys of 10mm 1911s. I just sold my 19 to help fund the purchase of a FN 9mm with night sights. I got the hammer version as I'm just not crazy about striker fired guns. Despite changing all of the Glock OEM triggers to 3.5lb models, I just could never come to like them, much less love them. Felt like squeezing an over-ripe orange or something. Not to mention, Glocks simply have no soul what so ever, IMO. This is my second FN handgun, my first being their .45acp hammer version. I also look forward to much better accuracy. Even my inexpensive ATI 10mm 2011 out shot my Glock 20SF. |
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Same here .... Jumped into the HK vp series, and Sig 226 series to step up to better firearms. But found a new liking for the glock after I left it . I'm back now. Fucker just works. WD Quoted:
Been there, done that. Currently switching back to Glock. I went like this: G19 Gen 3--> G19 Gen 4--> M&P 9 FS--> G17 Gen 4--> Beretta 92 Brigadier--> Vickers G17 I thought the M&P would get me out of a Glock--no dice. I thought the smooth lines and "soul" of a Beretta 92 Brigadier would make me stay away from Glock--it didn't. My main reasons for getting back into the Glock are 1) Aftermarket support and 2) consistency. Many other guns can be accurate and reliable, but the most compelling reasons to stay Glock are the ability to have a gun in any size and caliber you want but still have the same trigger pull and controls, and the aftermarket support. As an interesting aside, I've found that after shooting, dry firing, and owning the Beretta 92 for about a year before selling, that the Glock doesn't point naturally for me anymore (because I trained with the 92 and got used to the higher bore axis). I think this is easily overcome with training, but when I first got a Glock again I couldn't believe how high it pointed for me. Also, I never realized how heavy that Beretta was until I got a Glock 17 again. Same amount of ammo, but WOW there is a huge difference in weight. |
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If Glock ever gets rid of this bump, maybe. http://www.brownells.com/UserDocs/Miscellaneous/DSCN1996.jpg As of right now I'd almost rather have a S&W SD You might already know this, but if you take a 1911 with a curved MSH, it pretty much follows the Glock's profile exactly. I think it's just less drastic feeling because the curved part is not as thick. Plus I always put a flat one on. |
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If Glock ever gets rid of this bump, maybe. http://www.brownells.com/UserDocs/Miscellaneous/DSCN1996.jpg As of right now I'd almost rather have a S&W SD I have a 20 and a 19 that I like but I hate the bump as well. I think I am going to do a DIY grip reduction. Honestly Gen 5 should have the option of bump or no bump. |
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I did the same 5-6 years ago. Now I love my M&P's! And yes they are all Apex'd out with night sights and great holsters too to boot. But... I've been kicking the idea around of trading the M&P's for more CZ P-01's and SP-01 models; and at least a 97B in .45acp. They, along with my one and only Springer 1911; are the best semi-auto pistols I've ever owned or shot. Quoted:
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Just traded my last Glock for the M&P. Other than the increase in mag prices, I couldn't be happier. I did the same 5-6 years ago. Now I love my M&P's! And yes they are all Apex'd out with night sights and great holsters too to boot. But... I've been kicking the idea around of trading the M&P's for more CZ P-01's and SP-01 models; and at least a 97B in .45acp. They, along with my one and only Springer 1911; are the best semi-auto pistols I've ever owned or shot. You should try a Tanfoglio, they make CZ's feel like piles of shit. And I love CZ's. |
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You should try a Tanfoglio, they make CZ's feel like piles of shit. And I love CZ's. Quoted:
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Just traded my last Glock for the M&P. Other than the increase in mag prices, I couldn't be happier. I did the same 5-6 years ago. Now I love my M&P's! And yes they are all Apex'd out with night sights and great holsters too to boot. But... I've been kicking the idea around of trading the M&P's for more CZ P-01's and SP-01 models; and at least a 97B in .45acp. They, along with my one and only Springer 1911; are the best semi-auto pistols I've ever owned or shot. You should try a Tanfoglio, they make CZ's feel like piles of shit. And I love CZ's. I disagree with this statement. |
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I have a 20 and a 19 that I like but I hate the bump as well. I think I am going to do a DIY grip reduction. Honestly Gen 5 should have the option of bump or no bump. Quoted:
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If Glock ever gets rid of this bump, maybe. http://www.brownells.com/UserDocs/Miscellaneous/DSCN1996.jpg As of right now I'd almost rather have a S&W SD I have a 20 and a 19 that I like but I hate the bump as well. I think I am going to do a DIY grip reduction. Honestly Gen 5 should have the option of bump or no bump. I agree with this statement. That may be the day I buy one. |
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Not the striker issue that bothered me, it was the spongy trigger. The Sig 320 has a damn fine trigger, as does the H&K VP9. Both of the latter are polymer guns, both have souls. The Glocks do not............ Quoted:
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So you bought Glock handguns even though you aren't crazy about striker fired handguns and then say you decided to get rid of all your Glocks. Very interesting indeed .Not the striker issue that bothered me, it was the spongy trigger. The Sig 320 has a damn fine trigger, as does the H&K VP9. Both of the latter are polymer guns, both have souls. The Glocks do not............ One consistent problem with Glocks is the people that own them. They fix a perfectly good pistol until it quits working. The ( ) connector at 5.5# in Gen 1-3 and the (.) connector at 5.0# in Gen4 are fairly crisp. You screw with them at your own risk. (much less all the after market craziness add ins and add ons and change this and that until they fail to work). The spongy triggers are the result of 3.5# now correctly called 4.5# (-) connectors being installed. The lighter the pull the longer the pull and the less crisp it feels. Mushy is exactly how they feel. Indistinct. If you are proficient with DA revolvers, a Glock trigger is a joy. If Glocks are all you shoot, they are easy. Did I mention they work 100% everywhere except in Internet Land. You can use any thing that makes you happy. But with multiple kids, spouses, calibers, AA .22LR kits for each model, and spare mags for the next ban, not likely to change a system. A system that works. Did I mention they work? A dozen guns since 1996 used endlessly and one untraceable failure to eject a WW115FMJ bulk pack round. And one daughter who thought the extended hold open was a random use trumb rest for one training class. Otherwise Perfection. Nothing breaks, nothing needs fitted, RSAs now and then, HiViz sights on some, Glock steel on the others, did I mention they work? Before the fan boy BS starts, read some of my longer posts on Ruger LCP, SR22, and LCRs. And snubby carry guns by Smithinski of Mass. Hell, they are just guns. A tool. Pick one up and learn the controls and make it go bang. One brand or another is interesting. Reliability is where you put your money. My experience is that people who can actually shoot well can shoot anything well if it has a trigger. The rest BullFart over this and that feature or feel a guns soul. For crying out loud, it a tool. |
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One consistent problem with Glocks is the people that own them. They fix a perfectly good pistol until it quits working. The ( ) connector at 5.5# in Gen 1-3 and the (.) connector at 5.0# in Gen4 are fairly crisp. You screw with them at your own risk. (much less all the after market craziness add ins and add ons and change this and that until they fail to work). The spongy triggers are the result of 3.5# now correctly called 4.5# (-) connectors being installed. The lighter the pull the longer the pull and the less crisp it feels. Mushy is exactly how they feel. Indistinct. If you are proficient with DA revolvers, a Glock trigger is a joy. If Glocks are all you shoot, they are easy. Did I mention they work 100% everywhere except in Internet Land. You can use any thing that makes you happy. But with multiple kids, spouses, calibers, AA .22LR kits for each model, and spare mags for the next ban, not likely to change a system. A system that works. Did I mention they work? A dozen guns since 1996 used endlessly and one untraceable failure to eject a WW115FMJ bulk pack round. And one daughter who thought the extended hold open was a random use trumb rest for one training class. Otherwise Perfection. Nothing breaks, nothing needs fitted, RSAs now and then, HiViz sights on some, Glock steel on the others, did I mention they work? Before the fan boy BS starts, read some of my longer posts on Ruger LCP, SR22, and LCRs. And snubby carry guns by Smithinski of Mass. Hell, they are just guns. A tool. Pick one up and learn the controls and make it go bang. One brand or another is interesting. Reliability is where you put your money. My experience is that people who can actually shoot well can shoot anything well if it has a trigger. The rest BullFart over this and that feature or feel a guns soul. For crying out loud, it a tool. Quoted:
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So you bought Glock handguns even though you aren't crazy about striker fired handguns and then say you decided to get rid of all your Glocks. Very interesting indeed .Not the striker issue that bothered me, it was the spongy trigger. The Sig 320 has a damn fine trigger, as does the H&K VP9. Both of the latter are polymer guns, both have souls. The Glocks do not............ One consistent problem with Glocks is the people that own them. They fix a perfectly good pistol until it quits working. The ( ) connector at 5.5# in Gen 1-3 and the (.) connector at 5.0# in Gen4 are fairly crisp. You screw with them at your own risk. (much less all the after market craziness add ins and add ons and change this and that until they fail to work). The spongy triggers are the result of 3.5# now correctly called 4.5# (-) connectors being installed. The lighter the pull the longer the pull and the less crisp it feels. Mushy is exactly how they feel. Indistinct. If you are proficient with DA revolvers, a Glock trigger is a joy. If Glocks are all you shoot, they are easy. Did I mention they work 100% everywhere except in Internet Land. You can use any thing that makes you happy. But with multiple kids, spouses, calibers, AA .22LR kits for each model, and spare mags for the next ban, not likely to change a system. A system that works. Did I mention they work? A dozen guns since 1996 used endlessly and one untraceable failure to eject a WW115FMJ bulk pack round. And one daughter who thought the extended hold open was a random use trumb rest for one training class. Otherwise Perfection. Nothing breaks, nothing needs fitted, RSAs now and then, HiViz sights on some, Glock steel on the others, did I mention they work? Before the fan boy BS starts, read some of my longer posts on Ruger LCP, SR22, and LCRs. And snubby carry guns by Smithinski of Mass. Hell, they are just guns. A tool. Pick one up and learn the controls and make it go bang. One brand or another is interesting. Reliability is where you put your money. My experience is that people who can actually shoot well can shoot anything well if it has a trigger. The rest BullFart over this and that feature or feel a guns soul. For crying out loud, it a tool. The bolded part rings true. You can buy any gun you want, and while some might naturally feel better, point better, or shoot slightly better than others, at the end of the day dry firing and actually shooting the gun is what makes you good with it. As I stated previously, I've had a few different handguns and keep coming back to Glock because of reliability, parts availability, and aftermarket. The first time I shot my Beretta 92 after getting rid of a previous Glock 17, I shot one ragged hole with it--not because the gun shot better for me, but because I knew coming from a striker fired gun to a DA/SA gun would take a lot of practice, so that's what I did. I dry fired multiple times per week and by the time I took it to the range I was already proficient with it even though the trigger was 8-9lbs in DA. Fast forward to last week when I took my new G17 out after getting rid of the Beretta, I did the opposite. I dry fired multiple times per week at home before going to the range, and what do you know? One ragged hole with the G17.
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Quoted: One consistent problem with Glocks is the people that own them. They fix a perfectly good pistol until it quits working. The ( ) connector at 5.5# in Gen 1-3 and the (.) connector at 5.0# in Gen4 are fairly crisp. You screw with them at your own risk. (much less all the after market craziness add ins and add ons and change this and that until they fail to work). The spongy triggers are the result of 3.5# now correctly called 4.5# (-) connectors being installed. The lighter the pull the longer the pull and the less crisp it feels. Mushy is exactly how they feel. Indistinct. If you are proficient with DA revolvers, a Glock trigger is a joy. If Glocks are all you shoot, they are easy. Did I mention they work 100% everywhere except in Internet Land. You can use any thing that makes you happy. But with multiple kids, spouses, calibers, AA .22LR kits for each model, and spare mags for the next ban, not likely to change a system. A system that works. Did I mention they work? A dozen guns since 1996 used endlessly and one untraceable failure to eject a WW115FMJ bulk pack round. And one daughter who thought the extended hold open was a random use trumb rest for one training class. Otherwise Perfection. Nothing breaks, nothing needs fitted, RSAs now and then, HiViz sights on some, Glock steel on the others, did I mention they work? Before the fan boy BS starts, read some of my longer posts on Ruger LCP, SR22, and LCRs. And snubby carry guns by Smithinski of Mass. Hell, they are just guns. A tool. Pick one up and learn the controls and make it go bang. One brand or another is interesting. Reliability is where you put your money. My experience is that people who can actually shoot well can shoot anything well if it has a trigger. The rest BullFart over this and that feature or feel a guns soul. For crying out loud, it a tool. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So you bought Glock handguns even though you aren't crazy about striker fired handguns and then say you decided to get rid of all your Glocks. Very interesting indeed .Not the striker issue that bothered me, it was the spongy trigger. The Sig 320 has a damn fine trigger, as does the H&K VP9. Both of the latter are polymer guns, both have souls. The Glocks do not............ One consistent problem with Glocks is the people that own them. They fix a perfectly good pistol until it quits working. The ( ) connector at 5.5# in Gen 1-3 and the (.) connector at 5.0# in Gen4 are fairly crisp. You screw with them at your own risk. (much less all the after market craziness add ins and add ons and change this and that until they fail to work). The spongy triggers are the result of 3.5# now correctly called 4.5# (-) connectors being installed. The lighter the pull the longer the pull and the less crisp it feels. Mushy is exactly how they feel. Indistinct. If you are proficient with DA revolvers, a Glock trigger is a joy. If Glocks are all you shoot, they are easy. Did I mention they work 100% everywhere except in Internet Land. You can use any thing that makes you happy. But with multiple kids, spouses, calibers, AA .22LR kits for each model, and spare mags for the next ban, not likely to change a system. A system that works. Did I mention they work? A dozen guns since 1996 used endlessly and one untraceable failure to eject a WW115FMJ bulk pack round. And one daughter who thought the extended hold open was a random use trumb rest for one training class. Otherwise Perfection. Nothing breaks, nothing needs fitted, RSAs now and then, HiViz sights on some, Glock steel on the others, did I mention they work? Before the fan boy BS starts, read some of my longer posts on Ruger LCP, SR22, and LCRs. And snubby carry guns by Smithinski of Mass. Hell, they are just guns. A tool. Pick one up and learn the controls and make it go bang. One brand or another is interesting. Reliability is where you put your money. My experience is that people who can actually shoot well can shoot anything well if it has a trigger. The rest BullFart over this and that feature or feel a guns soul. For crying out loud, it a tool. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_5_4/160140_High_round_count_pistols__100_000___observations.html&page=18#i1861399 |