Posted: 9/30/2013 7:17:45 AM EDT
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Got a question about glocks. I have 2 G19s and one G26 right now and several G17 and G19 mags Ive picked up as extras. I usually carry either the G19 or G26 when im not going to work (work on fort hood so no carrying at work). Im pretty good about following the news and it looks like Texas isnt getting Open Carry this year.
However, IF texas did get open carry legalized in the next few years would you recommend OC with a G 17 above a G19? Come january i can get 2 more glocks at the leo/mil discount and Im just wondering which ones I should buy. PS part of me is leaning towards the G17s just so i can get the mags  lol
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Honestly, IMO, there is no reason to not just carry the 19 and spend the money you would have spend on the 17 on magazines and ammo. If you don't already have night sights or anything other than the stock sights on it the 19, would spend the money on that first.
If your looking for an excuse to just buy another gun, then yeah, go ahead and get the 17. But you are an American and a Texan. You don't need an excuse to buy a gun. |
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Honestly, IMO, there is no reason to not just carry the 19 and spend the money you would have spend on the 17 on magazines and ammo. If you don't already have night sights or anything other than the stock sights on it the 19, would spend the money on that first. If your looking for an excuse to just buy another gun, then yeah, go ahead and get the 17. But you are an American and a Texan. You don't need an excuse to buy a gun. I already have NS on my handguns. Shield will be the first one i dont put em on (when it finally gets here). And... im from California. Though i renounce my birth state forever and am seriously considering texas as my home for the rest of my life. Got one more year in the army then hoping to become a cop or trooper here in this fine state 
And lastly, I just bought a 2k Les baer so an excuse would go a long way to pacifying my wife 
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| I'm one of the original 5000 licensees in Florida....till only recently, the requirement was to 100% conceal the firearm.... I have a very low perception of threat, so I'll abide with the "intent" of the open carry law as I see it here in Florida... that is so a casual "flashing" of the firearm if the shirt rides up etc is not considered a violation of the law, rather than an opportunity to have the pistol openly displayed YMMV |
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I already have NS on my handguns. Shield will be the first one i dont put em on (when it finally gets here). And... im from California. Though i renounce my birth state forever and am seriously considering texas as my home for the rest of my life. Got one more year in the army then hoping to become a cop or trooper here in this fine state
And lastly, I just bought a 2k Les baer so an excuse would go a long way to pacifying my wife Quoted:
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Honestly, IMO, there is no reason to not just carry the 19 and spend the money you would have spend on the 17 on magazines and ammo. If you don't already have night sights or anything other than the stock sights on it the 19, would spend the money on that first. If your looking for an excuse to just buy another gun, then yeah, go ahead and get the 17. But you are an American and a Texan. You don't need an excuse to buy a gun. I already have NS on my handguns. Shield will be the first one i dont put em on (when it finally gets here). And... im from California. Though i renounce my birth state forever and am seriously considering texas as my home for the rest of my life. Got one more year in the army then hoping to become a cop or trooper here in this fine state
And lastly, I just bought a 2k Les baer so an excuse would go a long way to pacifying my wife Haha. In that case, yes. Absolutely. Tell the wife unit you must get a Glock 17L (long slide) or 34 if you can't find a 17L. Get Surefire x300 and a Raven Concealment holster for that gun with the light attached. (see my profile pic) |
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I don't recommend open carry. You're sitting in a resturant, standing in line at a store or wherever when a few shitbags walk in to rob the place. Say they are even "smart" and are in the place acting like customers to scope the place out first. They are acting, you will be reacting, so they have the advantage. Guess who's going to catch the first bullet because they have a gun hanging off their hip.
Honestly, other than saying "hey, look at me, I'm cool and carry a gun", I don't see the point in attracting the attention to yourself. |
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Quoted: I don't recommend open carry. You're sitting in a resturant, standing in line at a store or wherever when a few shitbags walk in to rob the place. Say they are even "smart" and are in the place acting like customers to scope the place out first. They are acting, you will be reacting, so they have the advantage. Guess who's going to catch the first bullet because they have a gun hanging off their hip. Honestly, other than saying "hey, look at me, I'm cool and carry a gun", I don't see the point in attracting the attention to yourself. |
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I don't recommend open carry. You're sitting in a resturant, standing in line at a store or wherever when a few shitbags walk in to rob the place. Say they are even "smart" and are in the place acting like customers to scope the place out first. They are acting, you will be reacting, so they have the advantage. Guess who's going to catch the first bullet because they have a gun hanging off their hip. Honestly, other than saying "hey, look at me, I'm cool and carry a gun", I don't see the point in attracting the attention to yourself. I feel pretty much the same as you do. I'm a big guy and get too many stares in the first place. Personally, I don't need any extra attention... |
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Honestly, IMO, there is no reason to not just carry the 19 ..... What Sharn says. I have a 19 and a 26 and don't see me ever wanting for a 17. A 19 will do everything as well in a slightly smaller package. ETA: Some posters have said the 17 feels better in the hand to them. For me, it's just the opposite--the 19 feels better when I grip it. Play with both for a bit before you buy. And, the 26 is awesome, too, I might even like it better than my 19. 
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I don't recommend open carry. You're sitting in a resturant, standing in line at a store or wherever when a few shitbags walk in to rob the place. Say they are even "smart" and are in the place acting like customers to scope the place out first. They are acting, you will be reacting, so they have the advantage. Guess who's going to catch the first bullet because they have a gun hanging off their hip. Honestly, other than saying "hey, look at me, I'm cool and carry a gun", I don't see the point in attracting the attention to yourself. I agree. The element of surprise is not there anymore and you will be the first taken out. But for hunting and camping, OC is great. |
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Quoted: What Sharn says. I have a 19 and a 26 and don't see me ever wanting for a 17. A 19 will do everything as well in a slightly smaller package. ETA: Some posters have said the 17 feels better in the hand to them. For me, it's just the opposite--the 19 feels better when I grip it. Play with both for a bit before you buy. And, the 26 is awesome, too, I might even like it better than my 19. Quoted: Quoted: Honestly, IMO, there is no reason to not just carry the 19 ..... What Sharn says. I have a 19 and a 26 and don't see me ever wanting for a 17. A 19 will do everything as well in a slightly smaller package. ETA: Some posters have said the 17 feels better in the hand to them. For me, it's just the opposite--the 19 feels better when I grip it. Play with both for a bit before you buy. And, the 26 is awesome, too, I might even like it better than my 19. |
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Don't listen to the anti OCers. If you choose to responsibly OC go for it. Everyone should be 100% pro 2A but unfortunately they are not. Criminals are stupid and want to get in and out quickly, they are not inspecting the hips of every person in their vicinity. The "tactical advantage" argument is complete BS. I CC more than I OC but do OC when applicable.
I would carry whatever you are most comfortable with. Depending on your body type, OC a large frame gun still isn't without it's challenges. |
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Never been a huge fan of OC, but I do it every now and then in public. I work in a gunshop and open carry while working but if I go out later, it's concealed. If I run to get lunch for the shop, I will usually just keep the gun in the open.
For me, and my hand size, it's Glock 19 for everything, CCW, OC, SHTF, ZOMBIES, etc... To me, the Glock 19 is the ideal everything handgun, except for bear, I might want something bigger for bear
If you have larger hands, I would go with a full size Glock, for me it's almost always a Glock 19 with a 17 mag in it. |
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Don't listen to the anti OCers. If you choose to responsibly OC go for it. Everyone should be 100% pro 2A but unfortunately they are not. Criminals are stupid and want to get in and out quickly, they are not inspecting the hips of every person in their vicinity. The "tactical advantage" argument is complete BS. I CC more than I OC but do OC when applicable. I would carry whatever you are most comfortable with. Depending on your body type, OC a large frame gun still isn't without it's challenges. No one is anti-OC or anti 2A in their statements, it's just a personal preference FOR ME. I have no problem with OC, but if you are standing in line at a fast food joint and a gunman walks in, you are for sure first pick. That's my mindset, and I will use any advantage I can. Everyone else is free to do as they wish (unless in a commie state of course). |
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Don't listen to the anti OCers. If you choose to responsibly OC go for it. Everyone should be 100% pro 2A but unfortunately they are not. Criminals are stupid and want to get in and out quickly, they are not inspecting the hips of every person in their vicinity. The "tactical advantage" argument is complete BS. I CC more than I OC but do OC when applicable. I would carry whatever you are most comfortable with. Depending on your body type, OC a large frame gun still isn't without it's challenges. I'm not anti-2nd Amendment. Very, VERY far from it. But your statement of "Criminals are stupid and want to get in and out quickly, they are not inspecting the hips of every person in their vicinity." Is beyond ignorant. There are absolutely stupid criminals out there but there are some very smart and experienced criminals out there too. Some criminals are organized enough to case places out days before or send partners in before to check the place before others go in to do the actual robbery. I don't wear clothes with gun logos on them and keep my handgun concealed. If something goes down, I want to blend in which will allow me to get the hell out of there or engage if necessary. I want the upper hand, I don't want to give it to them by announcing that I'm a threat to what they are doing. And if you think you are helping the cause by OC-ing, I don't see it that way. I live in a rural area, and even in this pathetic excuse of a state I'm stuck in right now, most people wouldn't look twice if I had a visible handgun on my hip. But in areas where it's not acceptable, you are just reinforcing people's anti-gun views. Thinking that you are going to change an anti-gunners attitude towards guns by standing next to them in line at the store with a Glock on your hip falls into the same catagory at the "All criminals are stupid" statement. |
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No one is anti-OC or anti 2A in their statements, it's just a personal preference FOR ME. I have no problem with OC, but if you are standing in line at a fast food joint and a gunman walks in, you are for sure first pick. That's my mindset, and I will use any advantage I can. Everyone else is free to do as they wish (unless in a commie state of course). Quoted:
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Don't listen to the anti OCers. If you choose to responsibly OC go for it. Everyone should be 100% pro 2A but unfortunately they are not. Criminals are stupid and want to get in and out quickly, they are not inspecting the hips of every person in their vicinity. The "tactical advantage" argument is complete BS. I CC more than I OC but do OC when applicable. I would carry whatever you are most comfortable with. Depending on your body type, OC a large frame gun still isn't without it's challenges. No one is anti-OC or anti 2A in their statements, it's just a personal preference FOR ME. I have no problem with OC, but if you are standing in line at a fast food joint and a gunman walks in, you are for sure first pick. That's my mindset, and I will use any advantage I can. Everyone else is free to do as they wish (unless in a commie state of course). My sentiments exactly. NONE of us are anti 2A, hell, we wouldn't be members here for one, two we wouldn't be carrying at all. I think 2A is the most important of all the amendments. Without it, none of the others make a good damn... For me, because I'm a big guy (power lifter), I get a lot of stares. So me OC'ing is not in my best interest as I stated above. Would I like to do it, sure. Would it give me more unwanted attention, sure would. That's why I don't. But for those of you who do and are comfortable doing it, I'm all for it! |
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I'm not anti-2nd Amendment. Very, VERY far from it. But your statement of "Criminals are stupid and want to get in and out quickly, they are not inspecting the hips of every person in their vicinity." Is beyond ignorant. There are absolutely stupid criminals out there but there are some very smart and experienced criminals out there too. Some criminals are organized enough to case places out days before or send partners in before to check the place before others go in to do the actual robbery. I don't wear clothes with gun logos on them and keep my handgun concealed. If something goes down, I want to blend in which will allow me to get the hell out of there or engage if necessary. I want the upper hand, I don't want to give it to them by announcing that I'm a threat to what they are doing. And if you think you are helping the cause by OC-ing, I don't see it that way. I live in a rural area, and even in this pathetic excuse of a state I'm stuck in right now, most people wouldn't look twice if I had a visible handgun on my hip. But in areas where it's not acceptable, you are just reinforcing people's anti-gun views. Thinking that you are going to change an anti-gunners attitude towards guns by standing next to them in line at the store with a Glock on your hip falls into the same catagory at the "All criminals are stupid" statement. Quoted:
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Don't listen to the anti OCers. If you choose to responsibly OC go for it. Everyone should be 100% pro 2A but unfortunately they are not. Criminals are stupid and want to get in and out quickly, they are not inspecting the hips of every person in their vicinity. The "tactical advantage" argument is complete BS. I CC more than I OC but do OC when applicable. I would carry whatever you are most comfortable with. Depending on your body type, OC a large frame gun still isn't without it's challenges. I'm not anti-2nd Amendment. Very, VERY far from it. But your statement of "Criminals are stupid and want to get in and out quickly, they are not inspecting the hips of every person in their vicinity." Is beyond ignorant. There are absolutely stupid criminals out there but there are some very smart and experienced criminals out there too. Some criminals are organized enough to case places out days before or send partners in before to check the place before others go in to do the actual robbery. I don't wear clothes with gun logos on them and keep my handgun concealed. If something goes down, I want to blend in which will allow me to get the hell out of there or engage if necessary. I want the upper hand, I don't want to give it to them by announcing that I'm a threat to what they are doing. And if you think you are helping the cause by OC-ing, I don't see it that way. I live in a rural area, and even in this pathetic excuse of a state I'm stuck in right now, most people wouldn't look twice if I had a visible handgun on my hip. But in areas where it's not acceptable, you are just reinforcing people's anti-gun views. Thinking that you are going to change an anti-gunners attitude towards guns by standing next to them in line at the store with a Glock on your hip falls into the same catagory at the "All criminals are stupid" statement. Excellent post Hawgleg... And I don't wast my breath on anti 2A losers. They are wastes of space and 99.9% of all of them never see the light. They simply are sheep and don't have it in them to protect themselves or anything they love. Most of them want the gub-ment to do everything for them and will concede every right in order to maintain their lazy mindset/way of life... Rant off... |
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I don't recommend open carry. You're sitting in a resturant, standing in line at a store or wherever when a few shitbags walk in to rob the place. Say they are even "smart" and are in the place acting like customers to scope the place out first. They are acting, you will be reacting, so they have the advantage. Guess who's going to catch the first bullet because they have a gun hanging off their hip. Honestly, other than saying "hey, look at me, I'm cool and carry a gun", I don't see the point in attracting the attention to yourself. If open carry is not for you (don’t like it, don’t want to, not allowed to, pussy, wife won’t let you, etc) then just say so, but please stop with the fantasy what-if scenarios. When concealed carry came along the anti-gun folks used just that ploy to try to block it- “Blood will run in the streets!” “It’ll be like the wild west!” “People will shoot each other over parking spaces!” Did any of those fantasy scenarios occur? Just as fast as you can fantasize the above, I can just as quickly fantasize one where they just shoot everyone because they might be carrying concealed. http://www.news-leader.com/article/20130903/NEWS01/309030024?source=nletter-top5&sf16768719=1&nclick_check=1 This guy was carrying openly and the robber didn’t shoot him. I can find dozens of surveillance videos where the robber runs in and never even looks around- just straight to the register and a “Give me my money man!” Are you saying that ALL those videos are fakes? 
Our side has traditionally dealt with facts, not fantasy. 
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I live in AZ where open and concealed are allowed. Let me share some observations...
Everyone I know who carries, carries concealed. And there are A LOT of them. Every time I see someone open carrying, it is a cheap holster, bad belt (or none at all with a clip on holster). Seems to indicate everyone trained or has given any thought, conceals When I see open carry, it is an instant mental note of where they are and what they are doing. Do bad guys do the same thing? I feel better about retention when nobody knows the gun is there. We can stick our heads in the sand and think there is no tactical advantage or say we have seen videos of robbers not looking for guns but not all of us live in our mom's basement being net bad asses. Those of us who live in the real world don't need everyone seeing our guns. |
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I live in WA where open and concealed carry are allowed. Let me share some of my observations….
Everyone I know that carries, carries openly or concealed (and a couple do both). Every time I see someone openly carrying, it’s in a quality holster with at least some level of retention. When I see open carry, it is an instant mental note “good job!” I feel better about retention. We can stick our heads in the sand and think there is no tactical advantage or say we have seen videos of robbers not looking for guns but not all of us live in our mom's basement being net bad asses. Those of us who live in the real world don't need everyone seeing our guns. The only tactical advantage you have exists in your mind. Concealed carry says it’s better to wait until you’ve been attacked and then try to remedy the situation by drawing… if you can. Here’s a newsflash for you: Either method of carry has its own advantages and disadvantages. Either support gun rights, all of them, or just get it over with and go over to the other side already. The instant you claim that YOUR way is so superior that any other method should be dismissed (based on nothing more than feeble minded fantasy scenarios) you begin to slide down the slippery slope. To seriously claim god status (my way is the STANDARD by which all carriers are measured) you lose credibility. Think about it. As an aircrew member in the USAF for 20 years, I have carried openly and concealed in more foreign countries than you have states in the US. Go dishonor someone who actually does live in their mother’s basement. |
| Not choosing to open carry does not mean I do not support the right to do so. I do not think it is the best choice under most circumstances. Perhaps the open carry folks in WA use better gear but I doubt it. And retention does not by itself make a good holster. Concealed carry absolutely does not mean it is better to wait to be attacked. I will have to side with the majority of those who carry that concealed has more advantage than open. You may somehow be smarter than all the rest but I will lay my money and life elsewhere. |
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I don't recommend open carry. You're sitting in a resturant, standing in line at a store or wherever when a few shitbags walk in to rob the place. Say they are even "smart" and are in the place acting like customers to scope the place out first. They are acting, you will be reacting, so they have the advantage. Guess who's going to catch the first bullet because they have a gun hanging off their hip. Honestly, other than saying "hey, look at me, I'm cool and carry a gun", I don't see the point in attracting the attention to yourself. Because your hypothetical made up situation has never actually happened in real life. Shitbags who are going in to rob a place are not interested in a shootout, they just go down the street to a softer target. |
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Because your hypothetical made up situation has never actually happened in real life. Shitbags who are going in to rob a place are not interested in a shootout, they just go down the street to a softer target. Quoted:
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I don't recommend open carry. You're sitting in a resturant, standing in line at a store or wherever when a few shitbags walk in to rob the place. Say they are even "smart" and are in the place acting like customers to scope the place out first. They are acting, you will be reacting, so they have the advantage. Guess who's going to catch the first bullet because they have a gun hanging off their hip. Honestly, other than saying "hey, look at me, I'm cool and carry a gun", I don't see the point in attracting the attention to yourself. Because your hypothetical made up situation has never actually happened in real life. Shitbags who are going in to rob a place are not interested in a shootout, they just go down the street to a softer target. Yeah, good way to look at things. Nobody's ever been shot by a bad guy, right? If that's a "made up situation", you thinking you are going to be in a situation where you even need a gun is "made up" too. You obviously have never had any experience with shitbags. I worked with some former addicts/criminals when I did construction and they knew I was going into law enforcement. I learned a lot more from them than I ever did at the Academy. And if you think criminals don't size up their targets and what's around them, you are the one making shit up. Addicts look at one thing only, their next high, and nothing past that. If you are standng between them and that next high, they don't are what the consequences are. I'm done with this debate. I've learned about this from people who actually used to commit crimes. Not from what I've learned sitting in my parents' basement. |
