Posted: 2/28/2011 6:42:00 PM EDT
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Just saw the new PPQ. From what I can tell, it's a P99 with a PPS fire system, and a couple cosmetic differences. Anyone else know anything different?
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I handled one at the store Thursday, felt nice, very similar grip to an hk p30, very ligt crisp trigger, can't tell about the reset dryfire only I'm confused by this statement. Because ya needs have the slide move (like when the gun fires) to accurately judge the trigger reset. |
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I handled one at the store Thursday, felt nice, very similar grip to an hk p30, very ligt crisp trigger, can't tell about the reset dryfire only I'm confused by this statement. Because ya needs have the slide move (like when the gun fires) to accurately judge the trigger reset. I check the reset at the gun store all the time. See post above this for the procedure. If the mag is in you may also have to hold the slide release down or take it out to let the slide cycle. |
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Got to play with one at the gunstore yesterday, I liked the somewhat more textured grip.
Only thing that had me concerned was the fact that they removed the decocker.. am I missing something or do you have to pull the trigger, like a Glock, to disassemble now..?? Probably gonna have to pick one up down the road though. 
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I still don't quite understand in what way this pistol is different than a P99, or an improvement over that line of pistols other than some slicked-up styling. Nor do I understand the remark above about the "PPS fire system." I don't have a P99 anymore, but I don't recall the fire system being a whole lot different.
The question if the new pistol runs P99 magazines (that would be too good to be true) is true is important, also. |
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I still don't quite understand in what way this pistol is different than a P99, or an improvement over that line of pistols other than some slicked-up styling. Nor do I understand the remark above about the "PPS fire system." I don't have a P99 anymore, but I don't recall the fire system being a whole lot different. The question if the new pistol runs P99 magazines (that would be too good to be true) is true is important, also. It can use the newer P99 magazines with the front lip cut down. (In fact, many PPQs shipped with magazines that say P99 on the side.) The old P99 magazines don't have the cut on the front so they bang into the bottom of the feed ramp. The PPQ trigger is more like a PPS trigger than a P99 trigger, and it has a really short reset. |
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honestly i dont understand why this pistol exists. its a p99 with a cosmetic overhaul, which i for one dont particularly care for and less features but an added trigger safety for the same price if it were $100 less i would understand If you shot one, you'd understand. The trigger is outstanding, the grip is reworked. The crazy de-cocker is gone because the gun functions like a striker fired gun should now. (Glock, PPS, XD, M&P, and my opinion) It has an extended slide-release. It's the same price because it's Walther, and because the gun is not less of a value, just different. And seeing as my PPS outshoots my XD, I'd say the premium over other striker-fired guns is justified. |
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not correct....
walther introduced the P99Q some years ago for the German law enforcemnt market. Walther could not sell the P99Q in the US. The PPQ is a P99Q with a different trigger than they use in Europe the PPQ has nothing to do with Magnum Research's license agreement |
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After several hundred rounds to break in the trigger, my PPQ trigger pull weight feels approximately 5 pounds, with smooth travel, a crisp break and a very short reset.
The PPQ has one helluva nice trigger, with a great ergo grip with three backstraps and ambi slide stop and mag release. It is accurate, with 124 grain +p 9mm shooting to point of aim and 147 grain about an inch high. The P99 Trijicon night sights fit the PPQ perfectly. My P30S is jealous over all the attention I have paying to the striker PPQ. 
The PPQ is also light and mid-size. I use the small backstrap.  " target="_blank">
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FINALLY got to handle a PPQ today. As much as I love my P99, this will be its replacement. Fit my hand perfectly, weighted perfectly, fired smoothly, short and crisp trigger. Very sweet. My only complaint is that it's missing the decocker and the visual pin on the back. Guess I'll just have to get used to having a cocked gun in my holster.
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FINALLY got to handle a PPQ today. As much as I love my P99, this will be its replacement. Fit my hand perfectly, weighted perfectly, fired smoothly, short and crisp trigger. Very sweet. My only complaint is that it's missing the decocker and the visual pin on the back. Guess I'll just have to get used to having a cocked gun in my holster. Boot. Not looking to threadjack, but why carry a decocked striker-fired gun? As far as a visual check. You can usually see the round if you look close around the extractor. The extractor may even be pushed out a bit if round is present. You can also do a press-check. (also, as usual, treat every gun as a loaded gun) |
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FINALLY got to handle a PPQ today. As much as I love my P99, this will be its replacement. Fit my hand perfectly, weighted perfectly, fired smoothly, short and crisp trigger. Very sweet. My only complaint is that it's missing the decocker and the visual pin on the back. Guess I'll just have to get used to having a cocked gun in my holster. Boot. Not looking to threadjack, but why carry a decocked striker-fired gun? As far as a visual check. You can usually see the round if you look close around the extractor. The extractor may even be pushed out a bit if round is present. You can also do a press-check. (also, as usual, treat every gun as a loaded gun) I'm usually the first to jump in on a condition 1, cocked and locked, or one in the chamber thread, but there is no way I would carry my P99AS without first decocking it to put it in the Double Action mode. Maybe the PPQ is different or I am missing something but I carry a decocked striker fired gun. |
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That's what I meant, it can't be placed in double action. For a pistol without a safety...which I don't like safeties anyway...I prefer them to be in DA. I like the swift SA follow up, which is why I love my P99.
As far as seeing if it's chambered, that's not what I meant. What I meant was the cocking indicator at the back of the P99. Since the PPQ doesn't have the option to be either or, it's not needed. Kinda wonder why they left it on the PPS...since it's set up the same way. Boot. |
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I got to shoot a PPQ last weekend.
Nice gun. Good trigger. Reset is as short as advertised and well defined. Not as forceful as a Glock reset, but better than an M&P. I like the ergs, but too narrow at top of grip. Probably could get used to it. Oh yeah. Very low recoil. Surprised me. Very easy to shoot fast. Not at all like the last p99 that I remember shooting. The gun has an RFID tracking chip in it though. Weird. The S&W rep didn't look too pleased to admit it either. |
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What exactly is a RFID tracking chip? Inventory control tag. It is a passive technology. When irradiated by a strong, local RF emission at a certain frequency, it will amplify a "response" pulse that contains information such as serial number, model, date of manufacture, etc, etc. Practical range of RFID scanners is typically no more than 30ft, usually less than 10, but there are documented examples where they can be read up to 90ft. |
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what would be the purpose of that??? any way it can be removed? Primarily it is for internal inventory control. Walk up to a rack of duty pistols and wave a radio device at them to know exactly.what is there. The Europeans and many large american departments love this type of stuff. On the other hand, it could misused by scanning all RFID tags at a point of entry, and anything returning a firearm serial number or.prefix would alert the system. It sounds outlandish, but you can imagine how this would alter your thinking if they installed readers in shopping mall, subway, office building entrances, highway entrance ramps, etc. |
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I got to shoot a PPQ last weekend. Nice gun. Good trigger. Reset is as short as advertised and well defined. Not as forceful as a Glock reset, but better than an M&P. I like the ergs, but too narrow at top of grip. Probably could get used to it. Oh yeah. Very low recoil. Surprised me. Very easy to shoot fast. Not at all like the last p99 that I remember shooting. The gun has an RFID tracking chip in it though. Weird. The S&W rep didn't look too pleased to admit it either. The US version of the PPQ: The grip indicates the presence of a transponder, there is none for the versions to be sold in the US. The manual clearly addresses this and Walther will replace the backstraps with a version that don't indicate the presense of an RFID chip if the customer so desires. |
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I got to shoot a PPQ last weekend. Nice gun. Good trigger. Reset is as short as advertised and well defined. Not as forceful as a Glock reset, but better than an M&P. I like the ergs, but too narrow at top of grip. Probably could get used to it. Oh yeah. Very low recoil. Surprised me. Very easy to shoot fast. Not at all like the last p99 that I remember shooting. The gun has an RFID tracking chip in it though. Weird. The S&W rep didn't look too pleased to admit it either. The US version of the PPQ: The grip indicates the presence of a transponder, there is none for the versions to be sold in the US. The manual clearly addresses this and Walther will replace the backstraps with a version that don't indicate the presense of an RFID chip if the customer so desires. Just so I'm clear, The PPQ's sold in the US do not have the RFID chip but the backstraps that are sold with them say they do? |
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Yep. That's exactly what the cover of the owners manual says.
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