Posted: 12/29/2022 5:18:05 PM EDT
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With SHOT Show less than three weeks away, I thought I'd take this opportunity to explain the existing DaggerTM pistol models. There are currently four DaggerTM pistol models,
DaggerTM Compact vs Compact X Slide Assembly The differences between the DaggerTM Compact and Compact X slide assemblies are,
2 - In order for a G17 barrel to be compatible with a compact gen3 frame (e.g., DaggerTM Compact and Full Size - S frames), the barrel must have a G19 gen1-5 barrel "lug". With respect to an OEM Glock G17 barrel, this lug was first introduced with gen5. Aftermarket G19L barrels (e.g., Brownells 19LS barrel) may be compatible with the DaggerTM Compact X slide and DaggerTM Compact and Full Size - S frames. DaggerTM Compact vs Full Size - S Frame The differences between the DaggerTM Compact and Full Size - S frames are,
Glock vs PSA Nomenclature We have created two charts which organize all of the Glock 9mm pistol models and PSA DaggerTM 9mm pistol models based on the different frame sizes using the Glock nomenclature. Note: The G19X frame is slightly different than the G45 frame. We assume the G45 and G47 share the same frame. For these reasons, we split "COMPACT CROSSOVER" into two columns, one for the G19X frame and one for the G45/G47 frame. The following chart further illustrates that all four DaggerTM models involve compact frames (despite PSA's use of the term "Full Size - S"). |
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Originally Posted By general_cluster: I Â enjoy the numerous references to Dagger being trademarked but none to glock being trademarked. Originally Posted By general_cluster: I Â enjoy the numerous references to Dagger being trademarked but none to glock being trademarked. In all seriousness, my dagger (tm) has been great, i love it. Â If i got commission off recommending it, that would probably buy another. You can find more information regarding the entire DaggerTM line of products here, Palmetto State Armory DaggerTM |
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Originally Posted By wickedbeernut: It's kind of my trademark. Â It's a lot of work. I'm not affiliated with Palmetto State Armory or any other company under the JJE Capital Holdings, LLC umbrella. Â I don't profit from the sale of the DaggerTM or DaggerTM-related products (or any product for that matter) in any way, shape, or form. Â I'm just trying to help people. You can find more information regarding the entire DaggerTM line of products here, Palmetto State Armory DaggerTM Originally Posted By wickedbeernut: Originally Posted By general_cluster: I Â enjoy the numerous references to Dagger being trademarked but none to glock being trademarked. In all seriousness, my dagger (tm) has been great, i love it. Â If i got commission off recommending it, that would probably buy another. You can find more information regarding the entire DaggerTM line of products here, Palmetto State Armory DaggerTM Nice, thanks for putting this together. |
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Originally Posted By gqllc: Can you interchange 3rd Gen G19 slide assemblies with Dagger compact slide assemblies including barrels? The exception is the DaggerTM Compact X slide assembly which involves a G17 gen5 barrel. |
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So the Dagger X slide will not work with my P80 G17 frames? Bummer. Do you have any plans on making G17 slides that work with P80 or OEM G17 slides? There's a ton of people who want them. |
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Originally Posted By durtychemist: This thread should live at the rop of this sub-forum.
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Originally Posted By 9mmstephen: Is the Full Size Dagger L going to be based on the Glock 17 Frame or Glock 19 Frame? (Will G17 frames fit?). It's supposed to be the G17 equivalent. The SX is the current G47 equivalent. X slide = G17 length slide (like G49) S frame = G17 length frame (like G45) |
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Originally Posted By DavidY: It's supposed to be the G17 equivalent. The SX is the current G47 equivalent. X slide = G17 length slide (like G49) S frame = G17 length frame (like G45) |
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Originally Posted By D_Man: Yea but you can see in the prototype pics that the locking block location is the same as the compact, which means it would use G17 gen 5 barrels, etc but not earlier gens. Â It is just the prototype though so who knows once it's done. I haven't looked at any photos or watched any of the videos they put out. I just know that in the past they said something about a Gen 3 G17 copy. I suppose they could take the S frame and just lengthen the dust cover but that really sounds like a waste of time. The current S frame would take a Gen 5 G17 barrel already and mate with the X slide. |
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Originally Posted By DavidY: I haven't looked at any photos or watched any of the videos they put out. I just know that in the past they said something about a Gen 3 G17 copy. I suppose they could take the S frame and just lengthen the dust cover but that really sounds like a waste of time. The current S frame would take a Gen 5 G17 barrel already and mate with the X slide.  |
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i have a G17 gen 4. I ended up buying a complete upper from Suarez international to swap out. Ive been looking for a lower to go with the extra upper i now have. Will any of the dagger lowers work for this? If I'm reading this right the answer is No, but I just wanted to double check |
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Originally Posted By Bama_Rebel: i have a G17 gen 4. I ended up buying a complete upper from Suarez international to swap out. Ive been looking for a lower to go with the extra upper i now have. Will any of the dagger lowers work for this? If I'm reading this right the answer is No, but I just wanted to double check |
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Originally Posted By Bama_Rebel: i have a G17 gen 4. I ended up buying a complete upper from Suarez international to swap out. Ive been looking for a lower to go with the extra upper i now have. Will any of the dagger lowers work for this? If I'm reading this right the answer is No, but I just wanted to double check I THINK your only options (besides a Glock frame) are a lone wolf "full/full" or "full/compact" frame or a Shadow Systems DR920 frame (if you use a Gen5 G17 barrel with the DR frame). The lone wolf full/full is a Gen4 compatible G17 replacement frame. The full/compact would be like building a Gen4 G49 (except using stock Gen4 G17 slide and barrel assembly). Some people have modified PSA Dagger frames to take Gen4 G19 slides, but it's not recommended or warranted since there's no telling when/if it will break. Us you'd have a gap using the G17 slide, AND you'd have to use a Gen5 G17 barrel to match the G19 compatible PSA Dagger frames. |
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Originally Posted By DavidY: I THINK your only options (besides a Glock frame) are a lone wolf "full/full" or "full/compact" frame or a Shadow Systems DR920 frame (if you use a Gen5 G17 barrel with the DR frame). Â The lone wolf full/full is a Gen4 compatible G17 replacement frame. The full/compact would be like building a Gen4 G49 (except using stock Gen4 G17 slide and barrel assembly). Some people have modified PSA Dagger frames to take Gen4 G19 slides, but it's not recommended or warranted since there's no telling when/if it will break. Â Us you'd have a gap using the G17 slide, AND you'd have to use a Gen5 G17 barrel to match the G19 compatible PSA Dagger frames. Originally Posted By DavidY: Originally Posted By Bama_Rebel: i have a G17 gen 4. I ended up buying a complete upper from Suarez international to swap out. Ive been looking for a lower to go with the extra upper i now have. Will any of the dagger lowers work for this? If I'm reading this right the answer is No, but I just wanted to double check I THINK your only options (besides a Glock frame) are a lone wolf "full/full" or "full/compact" frame or a Shadow Systems DR920 frame (if you use a Gen5 G17 barrel with the DR frame). Â The lone wolf full/full is a Gen4 compatible G17 replacement frame. The full/compact would be like building a Gen4 G49 (except using stock Gen4 G17 slide and barrel assembly). Some people have modified PSA Dagger frames to take Gen4 G19 slides, but it's not recommended or warranted since there's no telling when/if it will break. Â Us you'd have a gap using the G17 slide, AND you'd have to use a Gen5 G17 barrel to match the G19 compatible PSA Dagger frames. Thank you. At first I wanted something other than the stock glock lower. The ones I was able to find were pretty pricey (Zev). There wasnt alot to choose from and that got me to thinking about PSA, which led me here. It looks like I may be able to find something from Lone Wolf that might do the trick though. Its kinda tricky when looking at what fits what though. |
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Full / Full is what you seek for a standard G17 build. The gray frames are on sale, $50 stripped, $100 complete. If you read the frame, it'll say what slide fits. That's how you can tell which is the G17 vs G49 style frame. https://lonewolfdist.com/firearms/frames/timberwolf-frames/ |
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Originally Posted By DavidY: Full / Full is what you seek for a standard G17 build. Â The gray frames are on sale, $50 stripped, $100 complete. If you read the frame, it'll say what slide fits. Â That's how you can tell which is the G17 vs G49 style frame. https://lonewolfdist.com/firearms/frames/timberwolf-frames/ thats the one I was gonna get (grey one) i was checking on the parts kit. Should of got it yesterday. its OOS today. Just my luck I didnt see the completed one just the one that needed built |
