Pistols with RMR / mini red dots are awesome. The future is now (Page 13 of 74)
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Originally Posted By joglee: It's always interesting to see the resistance to red dots on pistols. Were people like this with rifles? No, because the dot wasn't bouncing around on rifles if you had any kind of cheek weld, and they weren't getting beat to death. |
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Originally Posted By ken_mays: No, because the dot wasn't bouncing around on rifles if you had any kind of cheek weld, and they weren't getting beat to death. Pretty much this. Red dots on rifles/carbines was a much easier transition for most vs. a Pistol. Pistols by far are much harder to master then a long gun.... Red dots added a bit of complexity to a system that already required some effort to shoot well. |
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Originally Posted By bmo419: @hburn21 What height front sight do you have on there? Have the Trijicon mount on my DVC 3Gun but the Trijicon front sight it came with was too tall for 9mm Originally Posted By bmo419: Originally Posted By hburn21: Appreciate it bud @hburn21 What height front sight do you have on there? Have the Trijicon mount on my DVC 3Gun but the Trijicon front sight it came with was too tall for 9mm https://dawsonprecision.com/dawson-precision-sti-duo-tactical-fiber-optic-front-sights/ pretty sure it’s this one but im not 100%, it’s the stock sights that came with the staccato p |
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I've been following this thread and contemplated a dot for several years, finally I jumped the shark and had one of my 26.5s milled. I orignially wanted a HRS if only for the (H) designation, thinking it would be a bit more rugged than a regular RMR. Having not seen one for sale online I gave up and decided a black RM06 would have to do (I dont like FDE at all anyway) long story short I went to a Trijicon dealer here in NC and they had one, I'm still not in love with the color though. My inital thought, with the GL429s was that if I hate it I still have the irons to work with. With all the hype of chasing/losing/searching for the dot, I found I didn't have that problem. I can find the dot easily, its just above and to the right of the irons. I had no troubling zeroing, at all. 124 S&B POA/POI is slightly right of 124 HST std vel. After I zero'd @25 yards I shot 250 HSTs at distances out to 35 yards, no problem hitting 6" steel plates. I had ~60 or so S&B left and thought, "why not see if I can hit a A-C zone steel from a draw" which I did. 3 string average 1.24, I'm not fast anyway. I'll take it. For me, as a GenX that didnt want to like dots and didnt think I could shoot a dot; I'm thoroughly hooked. I doubt I go back to irons only for a carry gun (striker fired anyway). It is indeed strange bed-fellows for CCH right now, my RMR Glock 26 and Dan Wesson Vigil in 45 of course. Pic below shows 6X (HST) and 4-10s (S&B 124) at 10 yards. The one thing I wasnt expecting to deal with was how much I shake, I've never noticed it before and its almost un-nerving. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By samsgreen50: I've been following this thread and contemplated a dot for several years, finally I jumped the shark and had one of my 26.5s milled. I orignially wanted a HRS if only for the (H) designation, thinking it would be a bit more rugged than a regular RMR. Having not seen one for sale online I gave up and decided a black RM06 would have to do (I dont like FDE at all anyway) long story short I went to a Trijicon dealer here in NC and they had one, I'm still not in love with the color though. My inital thought, with the GL429s was that if I hate it I still have the irons to work with. With all the hype of chasing/losing/searching for the dot, I found I didn't have that problem. I can find the dot easily, its just above and to the right of the irons. I had no troubling zeroing, at all. 124 S&B POA/POI is slightly right of 124 HST std vel. After I zero'd @25 yards I shot 250 HSTs at distances out to 35 yards, no problem hitting 6" steel plates. I had ~60 or so S&B left and thought, "why not see if I can hit a A-C zone steel from a draw" which I did. 3 string average 1.24, I'm not fast anyway. I'll take it. For me, as a GenX that didnt want to like dots and didnt think I could shoot a dot; I'm thoroughly hooked. I doubt I go back to irons only for a carry gun (striker fired anyway). It is indeed strange bed-fellows for CCH right now, my RMR Glock 26 and Dan Wesson Vigil in 45 of course. Pic below shows 6X (HST) and 4-10s (S&B 124) at 10 yards. The one thing I wasnt expecting to deal with was how much I shake, I've never noticed it before and its almost un-nerving. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/361390/20200501_151132_jpg-1398274.JPG Good point on the shaking. You get used to knowing when to squeeze the shot vs having a perfectly still dot. I don't know how but I've become a lot more stable so the dot doesn't wiggle as much as it used to. Stay with it. You'll only get better from here. |
Isaiah 1:18 - "Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD: "though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow"
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Just a quick demo of how resistant the RMR is to water issues. I've had RMRs get fully submerged, rained on, etc. and personally never had any issues. That's not to say you couldn't have an issue, I just don't believe it's a major concern. Even if you were somehow able to get a sparkly sight picture, just use the biggest/brightest dot centered over your irons. This is with an RMR type 2 3.25 moa, glass is untreated and is set to auto adjust brightness. It was hard to get the water to stay pooled on emitter given how well the drain holes work but I was able to eventually get it to stay put for pics. Attached File Water still pooled on emitter Attached File Pouring on objective Attached File still good Attached File No issues. Poured water on front objective too. Same result. Attached File I tried for 10 minutes but couldn't get it to fail / refract into multiple dots. Again - not saying it couldn't happen, I just think it's very remote and easy to remedy. FWIW, if you shoot enough or shoot in competitions you will see guys break irons or have them move and lose zero. I've seen it myself ... front sight coming off a CZ mid stage, and seen dove tail sights moving and losing zero. |
Isaiah 1:18 - "Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD: "though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow"
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Another test. Heavy misting over glass and emitter Attached File Dot seems to burn right through it. To naked eye - looks normal with target focus. Attached File I'm sure with enough tries I could get a messed up sight picture, but a simple shake or tap clears the water anyways. |
Isaiah 1:18 - "Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD: "though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow"
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I put some RainX on my glass. No worries with wet weather! People keep looking for reasons to not go RMR. I really don't care what they do, but for me, RMR all the things! The RMR will keep your draw and presentation honest. You were getting away with things that you didn't even know about. Life is a journey with many changes and adjustments along the way... |
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Originally Posted By TimeOnTarget: I put some RainX on my glass. No worries with wet weather! People keep looking for reasons to not go RMR. I really don't care what they do, but for me, RMR all the things! The RMR will keep your draw and presentation honest. You were getting away with things that you didn't even know about. Life is a journey with many changes and adjustments along the way... |
Isaiah 1:18 - "Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD: "though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow"
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Thanks @Fooboy, yeah I had to recall some technique from shooting ACOGs years ago. I think it was just the fact of never noticing it with irons that was a shocker. I ran 500 rounds through it today and after I got the dope down it's, well; very much like cheating. I didnt keep track but I believe my hit % is up across the board. With our last 15 rounds my buddy and I shoot for drinks, one shot on 8" round plate starting at 15 yards. If you hit, you move back two paces and shoot again,etc etc farthest into the field wins. It's been almost a year since he bought me a sweet tea, "First There" is his creed at work and today it was "First to the Truck" hell yeah I'll take small victories. |
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Originally Posted By heron163: just ran the trijicon today... worked well. https://i.imgur.com/2e4kQfM.jpg https://i.imgur.com/GMm6Dmp.jpg |
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4 dots?  I only see one...seriously, for me I have pretty much put an RMR on all my range blocks and the FNX 45. after using the RMRs so much, the irons don't register any more... I just have one dot on my target. |
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Originally Posted By heron163: 4 dots? I only see one...seriously, for me I have pretty much put an RMR on all my range blocks and the FNX 45. after using the RMRs so much, the irons don't register any more... I just have one dot on my target. That said, I prefer blacked out irons with RMR. |
Isaiah 1:18 - "Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD: "though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow"
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Originally Posted By Fooboy: Yep. When you stare at the target, the only other dot on that focal plane is the optic. You are staring over your sights which are blurry. That said, I prefer blacked out irons with RMR. I agree. At most a gold bead front sight post. Even on iron sighted guns, I prefer blacked out rear sights. |
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Originally Posted By Hulley: I bought a Holoson 508T over the weekend, looks like I’m gonna send my Gen G19 off to Primary Machine to get milled, anything I need to be aware of or ask for specifically? This is my first go around with a reddot. Have your irons milled forward of the optic, thank me later. Check Sage Dynamics on YT for details if you wish. |
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Originally Posted By samsgreen50: Have your irons milled forward of the optic, thank me later. Check Sage Dynamics on YT for details if you wish. https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/Why-I-think-you-should-mill-your-rear-iron-in-front-of-your-red-dot/4-189626/ |
Isaiah 1:18 - "Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD: "though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow"
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Originally Posted By Johnny_C: Can you provide a link to one or more of his video's about that? He has a ton of vids. Thanks! @Johnny_C I would if I could, on Uncle Sams laptop tonight. It's towards the bottom, I believe there was a topic here a while back as well. PS: DP Custom is in NC and he did my 26, outstanding work and I highly recommend him. |
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Ok. I'll keep looking. Later! Originally Posted By samsgreen50: @Johnny_C I would if I could, on Uncle Sams laptop tonight. It's towards the bottom, I believe there was a topic here a while back as well. PS: DP Custom is in NC and he did my 26, outstanding work and I highly recommend him. |
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Originally Posted By samsgreen50: @Johnny_C I would if I could, on Uncle Sams laptop tonight. It's towards the bottom, I believe there was a topic here a while back as well. PS: DP Custom is in NC and he did my 26, outstanding work and I highly recommend him. Is this the one?  Back Up Sight Placement on RDS Handguns |
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Originally Posted By Fooboy: Just a quick demo of how resistant the RMR is to water issues. I've had RMRs get fully submerged, rained on, etc. and personally never had any issues. That's not to say you couldn't have an issue, I just don't believe it's a major concern. Even if you were somehow able to get a sparkly sight picture, just use the biggest/brightest dot centered over your irons. This is with an RMR type 2 3.25 moa, glass is untreated and is set to auto adjust brightness. It was hard to get the water to stay pooled on emitter given how well the drain holes work but I was able to eventually get it to stay put for pics. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/113559/D3A24409-39AC-49AA-A4B0-655CC891B3D7_jpe-1398811.JPG Water still pooled on emitter https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/113559/8C416E39-BCB1-486E-9DE9-52C530CFC481_jpe-1398813.JPG Pouring on objective https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/113559/BBE97578-7DA3-42A9-A2ED-7DAEF7B18EA9_jpe-1398814.JPG still good https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/113559/B2777636-2EFA-4B6E-803D-0194FEE46B5C_jpe-1398816.JPG No issues. Poured water on front objective too. Same result. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/113559/88A38905-18CD-4394-984E-4C894F4E70EB_jpe-1398818.JPG I tried for 10 minutes but couldn't get it to fail / refract into multiple dots. Again - not saying it couldn't happen, I just think it's very remote and easy to remedy. FWIW, if you shoot enough or shoot in competitions you will see guys break irons or have them move and lose zero. I've seen it myself ... front sight coming off a CZ mid stage, and seen dove tail sights moving and losing zero. Just took a 2 day pistol class last weekend and it pissed rain on the second day - RMRs do not work well in the rain. I've seen these "tests" online but when it's raining hard AND you are shooting around cover/barricades the dot gets fucked. But that's why back up iron sights were made. |
| I took the 26 out again today, 550 more rounds through the RMR and I have a question. Do you guys that have Type 2s leave them on Auto? Mine is adjustable and I am having a hell of a time getting it into "Auto" without powering off and locking it into "Auto" upon restart. I fully realize I have fat mechanics fingers but damn, I should be able to get this down pat consistently. |
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Originally Posted By MB223PGH: Just took a 2 day pistol class last weekend and it pissed rain on the second day - RMRs do not work well in the rain. I've seen these "tests" online but when it's raining hard AND you are shooting around cover/barricades the dot gets fucked. But that's why back up iron sights were made. I shot a two day class in thunderstorms wearing rain gear with an open top holster and while drops do get on the window, I was still able to make C zone hits at 40+ yards, so saying they “get fucked” is a bit exaggerated. |
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Just read through this whole thread, even the arguments, and there is some good convincing here. I have handled a couple RMR guns, maybe 5 minutes total, and zero rounds through them, so I know very little about them. Gun is M&P9c 2.0 (still inbound). DP Customs may be the one to mill. Is most of the learning curve on presentation, or in dry/live fire? With other M&Ps I was consistent with sight alignment upon presentation (admittedly it can always be better, and I need more practice). From the ground up, how much practice is needed roughly to get comfortable with the RDS? I know as with any skill set repeated practice keeps the skill sharp, but don't want to slap a RDS and holster and go, even with a slight polishing of the skill. I have to read the thread https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/Why-I-think-you-should-mill-your-rear-iron-in-front-of-your-red-dot/4-189626/ still, but for non-Glock guns are they typically Glock sights for the smaller profile vs a larger dovetail, and options? |
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Originally Posted By heron163: just ran the trijicon today... worked well. https://i.imgur.com/2e4kQfM.jpg https://i.imgur.com/GMm6Dmp.jpg What height sights are those? |
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Originally Posted By Cameronswmp9: Just read through this whole thread, even the arguments, and there is some good convincing here. I have handled a couple RMR guns, maybe 5 minutes total, and zero rounds through them, so I know very little about them. Gun is M&P9c 2.0 (still inbound). DP Customs may be the one to mill. Is most of the learning curve on presentation, or in dry/live fire? With other M&Ps I was consistent with sight alignment upon presentation (admittedly it can always be better, and I need more practice). From the ground up, how much practice is needed roughly to get comfortable with the RDS? I know as with any skill set repeated practice keeps the skill sharp, but don't want to slap a RDS and holster and go, even with a slight polishing of the skill. I have to read the thread https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/Why-I-think-you-should-mill-your-rear-iron-in-front-of-your-red-dot/4-189626/ still, but for non-Glock guns are they typically Glock sights for the smaller profile vs a larger dovetail, and options? |
Isaiah 1:18 - "Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD: "though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow"
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Originally Posted By Fooboy: It's 95% presentation. Thank you! I have it in the cart at DPCustoms, but not having the gun yet means I will have to wait, and still weighing out all options. Seems like $$ and time would be the only real objection, not that I cant afford it but $400 for the optic and $100 for the cut can buy a lot of ammo, range time and training. Not knocking the pluses of the optic, weighing it out for me. Next question: the dot is (once zeroed of course) POI? I know in playing with those that as i turned the gun left and right watching the dot move, so that is where POI would be? Admittedly when I was playing with it, I was not looking at BUIS but watching the dot move, but seeing it in the left 1/3 of the window would mean thats where the bullet would travel? Hopefully that question makes sense, it does in my head and but reading it sounds funny. |
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Originally Posted By Cameronswmp9: Thank you! I have it in the cart at DPCustoms, but not having the gun yet means I will have to wait, and still weighing out all options. Seems like $$ and time would be the only real objection, not that I cant afford it but $400 for the optic and $100 for the cut can buy a lot of ammo, range time and training. Not knocking the pluses of the optic, weighing it out for me. Next question: the dot is (once zeroed of course) POI? I know in playing with those that as i turned the gun left and right watching the dot move, so that is where POI would be? Admittedly when I was playing with it, I was not looking at BUIS but watching the dot move, but seeing it in the left 1/3 of the window would mean thats where the bullet would travel? Hopefully that question makes sense, it does in my head and but reading it sounds funny. |
Isaiah 1:18 - "Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD: "though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow"
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Originally Posted By Cameronswmp9: Just read through this whole thread, even the arguments, and there is some good convincing here. I have handled a couple RMR guns, maybe 5 minutes total, and zero rounds through them, so I know very little about them. Gun is M&P9c 2.0 (still inbound). DP Customs may be the one to mill. Is most of the learning curve on presentation, or in dry/live fire? With other M&Ps I was consistent with sight alignment upon presentation (admittedly it can always be better, and I need more practice). From the ground up, how much practice is needed roughly to get comfortable with the RDS? I know as with any skill set repeated practice keeps the skill sharp, but don't want to slap a RDS and holster and go, even with a slight polishing of the skill. I have to read the thread https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/Why-I-think-you-should-mill-your-rear-iron-in-front-of-your-red-dot/4-189626/ still, but for non-Glock guns are they typically Glock sights for the smaller profile vs a larger dovetail, and options? In my case, it was roughly 525 rounds and 24 hours and I was including it into the carry rotation. I'm a very average shooter, possibly a touch better since I have my own range and shoot a fair amount. I resisted for YEARS, after the first mag of an RMR gun I was hooked. Good choice on DP, Doug did a great job on mine. Milled, refinished and back home in 4 weeks to the day. |
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I envy you guys. I just seem to suck with an RMR. Maybe not suck, but I'm still a bit better with irons..clearly faster and just a tad more accurate. Target focus and presentation. I was clear on that months ago, but I don't seem to be pulling it off too well or not like I would hope. Almost ashamed to say I must be at least 8K on my RMR. Clearly I need to square away that presentation, although initially I felt I was finding my dot quickly. I also seem to bring up my filch ( creeps in from time to with irons) easier with an RMR. I can feel or believe I'm target focused..press the shots and feel the dot lifted on all shots while in the black and then see I flung a few out. Pick up a pitol with irons and things clean up right away. I'll keep working. I'm not here to snivel. I'm sure I'm the issue  |
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Shot an USPSA match yesterday, and shot each stage twice.. once with my new G45 MOS with an RMR, and once with my normal limited match gun, a G35 shooting major. The G35 has a ghost connector, SJC frame weight and thumb rest. This is the first match I have used the weight and rest. (It works great by the way) I shot the G35 first. I only had 40ish rounds through the G45 prior to the match. This is my first pistol red dot. Just some thoughts.... On a couple stages, I had trouble finding the dot on the draw. I was okay dry firing at home, but I had trouble on the clock. Trying to look at the target instead of the dot was challenging. Especially after shooting the G35 irons the first time through. In trying to look at the dot, I would lose it under recoil. On the last stage or 2, I was doing a better job looking at the target, which me see the dot recoil up and down, which was really pretty cool. I knew where the dot was falling to, prior to it stopping. Overall I was 10 seconds faster with my G35, but most of that time difference was on the first couple of stages. I had 10 more Alphas with the G35. For one reason I was putting a lot of rounds low with the G45. A bunch of low Deltas. Long shots were way easier with the RMR, as were the small pieces of steel. I used left the brightness adjustment alone in purpose, and let the RM06 adjust itself. I had no issues with brightness settings. Overall it was fun, and a good learning experience. I definitely need more practice if an RMR gun is going to be my HD gun. |
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While waiting for all my parts to come in is there any practice with my stock Glock that will help with the transition to an RMR. I have taken the plunge rather than argue the pro's con's. I will make the investment and see for myself. I'm very optimistic that this will lead to an improvement in my handgun shooting. Also where's my new Haiku!!! |
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Originally Posted By YoteSlayer69: While waiting for all my parts to come in is there any practice with my stock Glock that will help with the transition to an RMR. I have taken the plunge rather than argue the pro's con's. I will make the investment and see for myself. I'm very optimistic that this will lead to an improvement in my handgun shooting. Also where's my new Haiku!!! For me, I watched a Sage Dynamics video (several times) but the most helpful thing I did was dry-fire. I'll explain my process below: After I mounted the RMR I did a bunch of low-ready presentations. Followed up by sighting in the iron sights (in my case all black Ameriglos') with the dot off, from a bench. Next, from the bench I adjusted the dot to "lollipop" the irons and shot for groups, using only the dot. Lastly, I shot offhand using the dot for groups. I did have to adjust the dot slightly up and to the right. That, in a nutshell is where I'm at. I found that with being milled helped me probably as much as anything to get the dot as low as possible. To my eyes it appears to be two separate sighting systems that dont correlate, but it works and it REALLY works well. Good luck, hope this helps. |
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Originally Posted By YoteSlayer69: While waiting for all my parts to come in is there any practice with my stock Glock that will help with the transition to an RMR. I have taken the plunge rather than argue the pro's con's. I will make the investment and see for myself. I'm very optimistic that this will lead to an improvement in my handgun shooting. Also where's my new Haiku!!! You sure are taking your time with this transition!  The more consistent your presentation, the easier it will be to pick up the dot. Practice presenting irons but keep a target focus. When you're really good, you should be able to draw with eyes closed and when you open - irons are lined up 80%+ of the time. When you start with the red dot: - Slow your presentation down slightly until you're consistently getting the dot. The last thing you want to do is go fast/faster until you have a consistent foundation. - Don't drop your head or turtle when you draw, you're adding extra movement and introducing inconsistencies. Draw and bring the dot up to your eye. Practice in front of a mirror to make sure you're not ducking your head. - Do not "bowl" or "cast" on the draw. Have your support hand meet the pistol ~ 8 inches in front of your solar plexus and then press out. You will see the dot sooner this way and allow you to get on target. Your goal should be to maintain a target focus, draw, press out, bring the dot up to your eye and superimpose over the target without breaking your visual focus on target, look at irons, etc. Go slow at first and only pick up speed when you're consistent. Watch his draw here. No turtle/ducking head - head stays put. Press out not casting/bowling. Stays same speed.  Developing Point of Aim with a RDS handgun optic |
Isaiah 1:18 - "Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD: "though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow"
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Originally Posted By Fooboy: @yoteslayer69 You sure are taking your time with this transition! The more consistent your presentation, the easier it will be to pick up the dot. Practice presenting irons but keep a target focus. When you're really good, you should be able to draw with eyes closed and when you open - irons are lined up 80%+ of the time. When you start with the red dot: - Slow your presentation down slightly until you're consistently getting the dot. The last thing you want to do is go fast/faster until you have a consistent foundation. - Don't drop your head or turtle when you draw, you're adding extra movement and introducing inconsistencies. Draw and bring the dot up to your eye. Practice in front of a mirror to make sure you're not ducking your head. - Do not "bowl" or "cast" on the draw. Have your support hand meet the pistol ~ 8 inches in front of your solar plexus and then press out. You will see the dot sooner this way and allow you to get on target. Your goal should be to maintain a target focus, draw, press out, bring the dot up to your eye and superimpose over the target without breaking your visual focus on target, look at irons, etc. Go slow at first and only pick up speed when you're consistent. Watch his draw here. No turtle/ducking head - head stays put. Press out not casting/bowling. Stays same speed.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh9MC7O_CtAIf I may add one small thing to @Fooboy ‘s excellent post, as soon as your muzzle clears the holster, drop your elbow to get the gun horizontal, it’s one more step that’s repeatable and fosters consistency |
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Originally Posted By Fooboy: @yoteslayer69 You sure are taking your time with this transition! The more consistent your presentation, the easier it will be to pick up the dot. Practice presenting irons but keep a target focus. When you're really good, you should be able to draw with eyes closed and when you open - irons are lined up 80%+ of the time. When you start with the red dot: - Slow your presentation down slightly until you're consistently getting the dot. The last thing you want to do is go fast/faster until you have a consistent foundation. - Don't drop your head or turtle when you draw, you're adding extra movement and introducing inconsistencies. Draw and bring the dot up to your eye. Practice in front of a mirror to make sure you're not ducking your head. - Do not "bowl" or "cast" on the draw. Have your support hand meet the pistol ~ 8 inches in front of your solar plexus and then press out. You will see the dot sooner this way and allow you to get on target. Your goal should be to maintain a target focus, draw, press out, bring the dot up to your eye and superimpose over the target without breaking your visual focus on target, look at irons, etc. Go slow at first and only pick up speed when you're consistent. Watch his draw here. No turtle/ducking head - head stays put. Press out not casting/bowling. Stays same speed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh9MC7O_CtAOriginally Posted By Fooboy: Originally Posted By YoteSlayer69: While waiting for all my parts to come in is there any practice with my stock Glock that will help with the transition to an RMR. I have taken the plunge rather than argue the pro's con's. I will make the investment and see for myself. I'm very optimistic that this will lead to an improvement in my handgun shooting. Also where's my new Haiku!!! You sure are taking your time with this transition! The more consistent your presentation, the easier it will be to pick up the dot. Practice presenting irons but keep a target focus. When you're really good, you should be able to draw with eyes closed and when you open - irons are lined up 80%+ of the time. When you start with the red dot: - Slow your presentation down slightly until you're consistently getting the dot. The last thing you want to do is go fast/faster until you have a consistent foundation. - Don't drop your head or turtle when you draw, you're adding extra movement and introducing inconsistencies. Draw and bring the dot up to your eye. Practice in front of a mirror to make sure you're not ducking your head. - Do not "bowl" or "cast" on the draw. Have your support hand meet the pistol ~ 8 inches in front of your solar plexus and then press out. You will see the dot sooner this way and allow you to get on target. Your goal should be to maintain a target focus, draw, press out, bring the dot up to your eye and superimpose over the target without breaking your visual focus on target, look at irons, etc. Go slow at first and only pick up speed when you're consistent. Watch his draw here. No turtle/ducking head - head stays put. Press out not casting/bowling. Stays same speed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh9MC7O_CtA@Fooboy Yes it has been slow. Main reason is cost. Too many times I have seen people go cheap on gear and have a negative experience that sours them. Think cheap Chinese red dot on an AR. If I am going to give this a fair trial I want good gear. That way there will be no blaming the gear If/When I suck. I have been practicing my presentation with Irons. The video and your tips are very informative and hopefully will make this a positive experience. And one that improves my shooting. Thank You!! |
| I have a HK VP9 and I love it . I'm about to pick up a second one . Two is one blah blah.... I'm about to pick up a new 2020 Optic Ready model but I've heard that their mounting system might be sub optimal . I'm wondering if I may be better off finding a Tactical and getting it milled . This will be my first RDS fitted handgun . I have like zero experience with them but want to give one a whirl . I'm planning on adding a Trijicon RMR . |