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I can conceal a jframe very easily.....bulky?  Mmm ok.  


You may conceal it easily, but it's undeniably physically larger in dimension than small .380s.
Can carry extra ammo easily on speed strips, reloads are a breeze.......


Post video you you reloading in a "breeze" with speed strips.





The fastest revolver reloads are with moon clips or Safariland style speed loaders.





its called practice with what you carry ....then do it again and again and again......you know what happens with lots of practice right?


I shoot revolver in IDPA and practice for it constantly.  I know ALL ABOUT shooting revolvers. That's how I know you're trying to blow smoke up my (and everyone else's) ass.





There are some great rounds out there in 38. I own a 360PD  so I have the ability to fire 38/357.....I load up with either the speer gold dots 125/135 +Ps or the corbon DPX 110+P round.....both nasty rounds and easy to shoot





Not that nasty. Pretty average performance.





Bottom line guys.......not a damn thing wrong with jframes......


Short barrel, poor ballistics, low capacity, slow reloads, easily bound cylinder, speed shooting can lead to trigger short stroking, cylender can be damaged if dropped when open leading to inoperable gun, list goes on.  





they work and work well,


They work adequately.





just get your range time in and build muscle memory.......


Pretty much the only good point you've made.
in my opinion carry what is comfy for you.....


Terrible advice.  People should carry what fills the roll they need, and what they can use to the best of their abilities.  Comfort comes after that.
a lightweight slimline 22 is better in my pocket than a rock.


Which informal fallacy is that, appeal to consequences?

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What slim pocket autos would you reccomend then?

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Lets have a contest.  






12 rounds, fast as possible, you use a J frame and speed strips, I'll use my Colt Cobra and safariland comp 3s.
   

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Maybe we should just whip our dicks out and see whos is bigger......lord have mercy.......carry what you like and practice......enough said

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In summary: Neither is adequate in my opinion. They are popular because they are convenient, not because they are effective.



My opinion is that snub nose .38s and .380 and 9mm small pocket autos are hold out guns. They are all the rage these days since people choose them for comfort, very easy concealability and will never fire their weapon in self defense.



These small pistols and revolvers suffer from low ammuntion capacity, woefully inadequate sights, and some are of suspect quality or questionable material choice for a fighting handgun.  If I am going to carry a gun I am going to bring a full or mid size duty handgun that is fielded by a military service and/or police force in a 1st world country. I can carry a Glock 23 and a spare mag all day long in a IWB holster with minimal discomfort. But it isn't as comfortable as a mouse gun, nor is it as easy to conceal.



Gun fighting rules:



1. Have a gun. This means don't leave it in your car. It is in a holster you can quickly draw from on your person that you are familiar and comfortable wearing



2. Bring enough gun. This means no mouse guns, derringers and other guns which are hold out guns. Made to be carried as secondary or tertiary BACKUP weapons.



3. Bring enough ammo: Carry a reload.



4. Shoot straighter than your enemy who is trying to kill you. Get training and practice with your carry piece every chance you get. That doesn't mean plinking from a range. It means getting dirty, firing from standing, kneeling, supine (laying on back) and prone from every piece of cover you can think up. It means means practicing dry firing and drawing (w/ snap caps, safety first!). You had better have a real reason to swap between make/models of firearms. Muscle memory is a powerful thing and in a piss your pants lethal force encounter you will revert to your LOWEST level of training. I do not rotate or change my EDC gun for this reason.



5. Have a light. target ID and know your backstop.



6. I always carry pepper spray because I really don't want to shoot someone that could be handled with pepper spray.



As someone who has carried a gun for a living as a combat infantryman and as a police officer that is just like my opinion man.

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Looks like each has their own strengths. May have to buy both and be my own judge. ha. The XDs 9mm looks promising!

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Compared to the other option mentioned in this thread, yes.



Here's a J frame next to a small .380



http://2cooltoolz.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/use2.jpg



LCP width- .82 inches



S&W doesn't list width on their website but quick googling popped up several different answers for the 442, varying from 1.25" to 1.35".



So the 442 is ~.5" wider than an LCP.





Slide width on 1911s is .9" (excluding safety, just the slide itself), compared to the Glock 19 at 1.18".  Only ~.3" wider there causes people to bitch and moan about how much bulkier a Glock is than a 1911, but a .5" increase isn't bulky at all?  



Sorry, gotta disagree.  J frames are bulky compared to pocket semi autos.

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Wow the revolver almost looks like a full size next to the lil .380.  

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Don't forget, it's been assured that J-frames are small and easy to conceal.


 

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So much misinformation about revolvers gets spread around.

They really are not that great.  


People just think they are because they hear all the shit that gets parroted around about them, or shoot them under ideal conditions.

Not going to waste a bunch of time arguing predisposed opinions. OP, if you want to hear the drawbacks of revolvers let me know. There's a few, and they are pretty important.


For everyone advocating revolvers, I ask this...

What is the immediate action drill, for a revolver?
 

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Immediate action drill for a revolver that fails to fire, is to press the trigger again. Very fast compared to ejecting and reloading another round in an auto.

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*sigh*.



There's a lot more to it than that.



Why does everyone's knowledge of operating a revolver end at "pull the trigger again".



http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/articles/handguns/the-revolver-malfunction-drill/


Decent article.

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Hello all,

Ive spent most of my time on the AR side of this website but have been slowly gravitating to the handgun forum for a while.  A question arose between myself and some friends at the range, is 5 or 6 rounds of .38 +P in a small frame revolver preferable to 6 or 7 rounds of .380 or 9mm in a semi auto package?  I can see an argument in both directions but when an IWB/OWB carry is out of the question due to either, climate, circumstance or just simplicity of carry, would a pocket revolver or a pocket semi auto be favored for both concealability and personal protection?

Thanks!

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You pull your revolver on someone attacking you.Your first pull of the trigger gives you a click. Are you going to reload or pull the trigger again?



That will take upwards of 5 seconds or more to reload. I choose pull the trigger again. That takes less than 1 sec and if that does not work reload.





The article is full of WTF. High primers? If you don't rotate the cylinder to check for those before you go out you f'd up. Didn't check your gear.



The link you provide is all about selling a system. ie making money. Not common sense.

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"The first and most common malfunction is a simple misfire. This is where stroking the trigger again is called for, as it brings a new round under the hammer. If it ignites, you’re back in business. If it doesn’t, follow the universal prescription: RELOAD!"


So basically you advocate doing exactly what the article recommends.


You just don't agree with knowing what to do past that?