[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Poll for 1911 reliability (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 2/22/2012 11:10:28 AM EDT
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In your experiences how reliably have 1911 type pistols performed for you? I didn't find anything like this yet so I figured this would be a good poll discussion. For #6, gunsmith could be owner/operator but you needed at least 30 minutes or more to fix the problem. |
| Ugh, as much as I wanted to love 1911s, and I accept that there are good ones out there (I've shot a few), I seem to have the worst damn luck with them. Various 1911s tortured and taunted me for years (Kimbers, Colts, Springfields –– Wilson mags used with each) until the platform finally beat me and I sold off my last one not too long ago. I am 1911-less and just fine with that. You could suggest, perhaps, that some of my 1911s should have gone back to the factory or to a gunsmith. Maybe they should/could have. However, no other style of pistol I've used has been that finicky or problematic to require that kind of work. I guess I didn't have the patience for it or the luck to get a good one (well, I did get one good one, but sold it off like an asshole years ago). If you have one that runs great for you, KEEP IT! I wish I'd kept my good one. |
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Ah, the 1911 and reliability question...
There are two sorts of 1911's out there really: down and dirty fighting guns and target guns. Unfortunately the two require very different approaches in the design and execution of parts selection and fitment and that's where things get confusing. There are so many different manufacturers and parts out there that it's almost impossible to compare the platform as a whole because every single pistol is going to be different. There are a few that will offer a good product that is reliable and still offers exceptional accuracy, but there are others that fall on opposite ends of that spectrum. Take a true GI-spec 1911 and you will find the fitment is rather "sloppy" compared to the standards of many target guns, but it will run like a champ and still offer accuracy in line with many other production pistols. On the other hand there are some target guns that will be finicky about just about everything (ammo, cleanliness, etc) but will deliver outrageous accuracy. Many companies try to blend a little of both and fall quite short in one respect or the other. I love the 1911 platform, but it's very difficult to answer such cut and dry questions. I had shot or witnessed 1911's that simply would not feed certain loads or that were not tuned correctly and had repeated issues. Then again I have shot, and own, 1911's that have shot everything I have put down the pipe without fail. So I simply won't compare one to the other because they are totally different pistols. Ask a Glock owner who made their Glock or ask who made their M&P or CZ75 or XD and you'll get the obvious answers. Ask ten 1911 owners who made their 1911 and you'll probably get nearly ten different answers. |
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Ah, the 1911 and reliability question... There are two sorts of 1911's out there really: down and dirty fighting guns and target guns. Unfortunately the two require very different approaches in the design and execution of parts selection and fitment and that's where things get confusing. There are so many different manufacturers and parts out there that it's almost impossible to compare the platform as a whole because every single pistol is going to be different. There are a few that will offer a good product that is reliable and still offers exceptional accuracy, but there are others that fall on opposite ends of that spectrum. Take a true GI-spec 1911 and you will find the fitment is rather "sloppy" compared to the standards of many target guns, but it will run like a champ and still offer accuracy in line with many other production pistols. On the other hand there are some target guns that will be finicky about just about everything (ammo, cleanliness, etc) but will deliver outrageous accuracy. Many companies try to blend a little of both and fall quite short in one respect or the other. I love the 1911 platform, but it's very difficult to answer such cut and dry questions. I had shot or witnessed 1911's that simply would not feed certain loads or that were not tuned correctly and had repeated issues. Then again I have shot, and own, 1911's that have shot everything I have put down the pipe without fail. So I simply won't compare one to the other because they are totally different pistols. Ask a Glock owner who made their Glock or ask who made their M&P or CZ75 or XD and you'll get the obvious answers. Ask ten 1911 owners who made their 1911 and you'll probably get nearly ten different answers. Very well put. |
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With mine, they are pretty damn reliable.
All three are basic, full size pistols. The Ithaca GI 1911A1 has NEVER choked on anything at all, including LSWC and JHP handloads. The Colt M1991A1 has only choked 2 or 3 times in a few thousand rounds. That was on a few Rainier RN bullets that I had accidentally seated a bit too long. The Springfield GI model 1911A1 never malfunctioned at all until I messed with it. It threw brass in my face, so I adjusted the extractor (too much). Then it would fail to feed. I bent it back some and now all is well. Bottom line: I think the 1911 in its basic form is plenty reliable. If you want them modified AND match grade accurate, it's gonna cost ya plenty of dough. I know there are some exceptions, however. |
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I have had three 1911's
Springfield Mil Spec Kimber Ultra Carry II 1943 Ithaca I still own the Mil Spec and of course the Ithaca but let the Kimber go but I wish I hadn't. The Kimber is the only 1911 I have ever had and problems with and they were my fault. I was trying to get 300 rounds through it in a one hour range session and it was brand new out of the box. I was trying to break it in and test reliablilty but it only had the lube from the factory and got through almost all 300 but the last few mags it started to fail to go all the way forward in battery likely due to no lube and carbon build up in the rails which seems to get more on the short 1911's. A light tap on the slide sent the slide forward and that was that. My Mil Spec has a little over 2200 rounds through with stock mags and Wilsons with zero malfunctions or stoppages, have owned it since 2008 My Ithaca is one that my grandpa carried in Korea and is almost 70 years old and while I have only shot maybe 150 rounds through it, it has never failed even with a recoil spring that was so worn out it was pinching brass as it left it still worked. Now it has a new recoil spring and runs great but again, I don't shoot it much at all. |
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I've had 3, and uniformly pretty bad luck,
1- Para Ordinance P13.45, misfeeds, failures to extract, failures to eject, not even close to reliable, even with standard 230 grain ball. 2- Springfield Champion (Commander), even worse than the P13.45, couldn't make it through a magazine without a failure to extract and even a trip back to Springfield couldn't fix it. 3- Kimber Custom Full-Size, best of the bunch, but still wouldn't even reliably feed 230 grain ball as it came from the factory. Switching to a heavier recoil spring fixed most of the problems, but it still wasn't 100%. Based on my experience, and the multitude of other platforms that are perfectly reliable in .45 ACP, I'm done with the 1911. |
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1911s are basically a custom job if you want to really shoot it.
You aren't going to go to your local gun shop, pick one out of the case and then proceed to shoot 10,000-20,000+ rounds, cleaning it every 2,000 rounds like other service pistols (glock, M&P etc....) because you love to go to training classes or shoot gun games, It will need maintenance and tuning unlike other pistols. All you have to do is read peoples responses, it was perfect EXCEPT I had magazine problems, or ammo problems or my extractor needed tuning etc............. Always an issue. The 1911 is an oustanding design, but you really have to understand it if you want to shoot lots of rounds out of it. |
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I've had three 1911's, all Springfields, all flawless. The caveat being that I bought them all used, so any problems they might have had when new were probably ironed out before I got them.
On the other hand, I sold my very first 1911 to a friend of mine. It was perfect when I sold it to him, and since he was a very good friend, I wouldn't have let him have it if I worried about its reliability. However, he couldn't leave well enough alone. He had to "tweak" it. After he was done getting all "custom" on that gun, it was an unreliable piece of shit. I've noticed a pattern with regards to people with unreliable 1911s. Some people get genuinely shitty guns from the factory, but others have to "tweak" their guns to make them shitty. |
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My 1911 failed to chamber a round (factory reload that had a swelled case) once about 30 years ago.
My Colt Combat Commander has never failed. That thing will feed empty cases from the magazine and chamber them, one after another. I've done it many time to show other folks what a good feeding 1911 can do. My Series 80 Government Model has never failed. My Series 70 MkIV does not like short reloads and will get a nose up failure to feed/jam. If the length is right it feeds/fires/ejects everything. If a P14 is considered to be a 1911 then I've never had a failure with it. I guess I've been lucky over the years. |
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It's going to vary gun to gun. I have a S70 Combat Gov't that I've had for ~30 years and don't recall ever having an issue with it. It's probably got 15K+ through it. I have three others, a DW CCO, never had an issue but only around 700 rds through it. I have a S80 OM that stumbles once in a blue moon (maybe 1:1K) & a pre 80 Combat Commander that hasn't had an issue since I replaced the recoil spring a few years ago.
I've gotten rid of the two I've had that I couldn't get to run well. |
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I've owned a number of 1911's. My first was a Frankenstein I bought unknowingly. It forced me to learn to diagnose countless problems. Since then what ive seen is that almost all 'service grade' 1911's are basically well made with one major exception. That exception is the extractor. I swear, almost every one is crap. The material is often MIM or badly tempered and fitted horribly. Replacing them with a good aftermarket and fitting it properly has worked wonders. I don't get too excited by this since it's easy to do but I can understand getting frustrated when a new expensive gun doesn't work.
At this point I have 4 1911 pattern pistols. 3 are reliable with any ammo I've tried in them. The 4th is a POS Kimber that only works with FMJ. |
| the one 1911 I have had that has been the best of both worlds- amazing reliability and accuracy is my les baer premier II. it even has the 1.5 inch package so you'd think if anything is going to choke this tight as a bank vault gun would. Quite the contrary ammo or mags that casue issues in other 1911's don't phase the baer at all. picked it up about 10 years ago used for 1100 bucks and I'd do it again. worth the money! |
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7 Springfield's - together have close to 10,000 rounds. One of them - a nib ss model jammed during the first 100 rounds or so. After the break in no more malfunctions. The other 6 zero malfunctions.
4 colts - about 1500 rounds - zero malfunctions. 3 sigs 1911 - one malfunction due to extremely short reset/ trigger adjustment. Gun fired a short burst. Problem fixed. Ruger sr1911 - about 800 rounds - zero malfunctions. 2 RIA - about 500 rounds each zero malfunctions. Remington r1 - about 300 rounds. One failure to go into battery. 4 kimbers - multiple failures. Slide locking back on loaded magazine, failure to extract, failure to feed, double feed. Most problems required replacing springs and slide stops. Sold them all . For the record they were two SiS, one pro in 9mm and one TLE 2. That's my experience with my current 1911s. |
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A springfield GI - total shit, sold it
Dan Wesson razorback - given as a gift, kept it, but it is total shit as well basically after these two and literally everyone i know with a 1911 having problems with each and every one of their guns (Kimber I am looking at you) I stopped caring about the platform. I don't want to become a gunsmith to make a $1200 dollar gun work right. my $500 92fs worked fine out of the box. |
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My TRP gave me no issues after 500 rounds (WPA steel case). You'd think that with all of the problems people have with 1911s, steel cased ammo would have turned mine into an expensive hammer. I voted for extremely reliable because a gun that won't fail doesn't exist.
I only sold it because I needed the money. I liked the gun a lot and I wish I could have kept it. I've seen more failures out of mine and my friends' "modern combat" pistols, but to be fair they've seen many more rounds. |
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not all 1911 are equal choose wisely in your purchase.
Maintenance cycle is higher, I've got to clean or add more oil to my 1 of my 1911s after 600 rounds of 200gr lead swc or they will fail to go fully into battery 100% of the time, If I'm shooting FMJ type ammo I've gone over 1000 rounds between cleaning and oiling on other 1911s, now my open gun as to be cleaned every 700, but that is a different beast all together. |
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My experiences have been very good with the seven 1911's I own.
1. Springfield 1911a-1 has around 3k rounds through it and I only had a few problems due to a crappy Mag when I first bought it. It runs like a top. 2. Springfield loaded has about 1k rounds through it with zero issues so far. 3. Kimber Stainless II has about 2k rounds through it with zero issues. 4. Colt Gold Cup trophy has about 800 rounds through it with zero issues. 5. Colt XSE Government has about 700 rounds through it with zero issues. 6. Colt Talo night commander Is my newest and I am just getting a feel for it I have about 400 rounds through it and had a few stovepipes with it when I used 1 of the factory mags, I changed the spring in that mag and now she runs like a scaulded dog  .
7. Colt 1918 repro. This gun has remained unfired so I dont know 
I try to use the factory mags that come with the gun some are definitely better than others and I also use Chip Mccormick mags and they have been flawless. From my experience and from Info I have gotten over the years about 1911's is that the most of the time problems are usually magazine related or that someone messed with the gun trying to tweak it and not knowing what they are doing. Use good quality Mags and leave the tweaking (If you must do it) to a qualified gunsmith an I think the 1911 platform will serve you well. Its been doing pretty good for a 100 years and counting so far 
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Kimber Custom II- 0 malf. in 3k+ rounds Springfield Mil-Spec- 1 malfunction in 1k rounds To the dude with the DW razorback...if it was "total shit", its probably you not the gun Yeah, we know, all 1911s work well, its just the person maintaining them causing the problems. Oh, wait, maybe its possible that DW can make a gun that wont chamber a round from wilson combat mags (no matter what the situation), fail to feed on only the last round on Chip mccormick mags and jam every other round on factory mags (i dont know who made them). |
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My beat to hell systema runs like a top with any crap magazine you put in it. Of course it took some work to get it there. The mag well was so tight, magazines would literally get stuck and have to be beat out.
Kinda hard to send it back to the factory for repairs. I have watched multiple 1911's go down hard at IDPA shoots though. Some so bad they couldn't even finish the round. That's why I use my G21. |
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Averaged my answer on the poll because I have owned Multiple 1911's.
Colt Lightweight Commander .45ACP - Broken in with 200 rounds of ball then shot ball and CCI Lawman 200 grain 'Flying Ashtray' hollow points(The en vogue defense round back then). Never a single failure. Used stock colt mags. Wish I would have kept this gun. Colt Series 80 'Enhanced' Stainless Government Model .45 ACP - Broken in with 200 rounds of ball. No failures during break in. Shot fine with ball but malfunctioned with any type of hollow point or SWC. Took a trip to the gunsmith where the barrel was throated and feed ramp polished, beavertail grip safety installed and sights, safety, and trigger replaced. (Days before factory semi custom 1911's.) Never had a problem again. Used both factory and Wilson 47D magazines. Shot over 20,000 rounds thru this gun with no more problems. It would feed empty cases. A friend pestered me into selling it to him. He is still shooting it today. Remington Rand WW II .45 ACP - 100 percent reliable. Only ever shot ball out of it. Never tried hollow points or SWC in this gun. Used WW II contract mags. Wish I would have kept this one as well. Springfield Armory 'Loaded' 1911 .45 ACP - broken in with 200 rounds of ball. No failures during break in. No malfunctions with several hundred rounds of various ammo, WWB ball, 230 Gold Dot, 180 Corbon XPB, 160 grain Federal HS, 230 grain ball reloads. have used stock Sa mags, Shooting Star mags, and Wilson mags. I keep Wilson mags in it for general use. Additionally, Colt Prewar .22 conversion unit. Reliable until it gets dirty at around 300-500 rounds then the floating chamber gets full of carbon and the gun malfunctions. Colt Series 80 9mm conversion. Not one problem ever. Has a Huge throat and a relieved feed ramp. This may have been done before I bought it. It will cycle empty cases. It does bulge the empty cases if you shoot +P ammo out of it. Both kits use factory mags. |
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Have experienced just about every failure a 1911 or any pistol can have.
Have experienced a great many successes a 1911 or any pistol can have. The 1911 was never perfect, although close. It like every pistol has experienced manufactured failures. I was reading an article in American Rifleman a few months ago about sear spring failures during WW2 some experienced. There's a part I never dreamed having issue with. The 1911 is adulterated over and over again, just like the original .45acp cartridge. How many have figured out what the most common source of tolerance stacking is ?? Tolerance stacking usually comes from a cartridge incompatible with a particular feed channel. Most common offender of tolerance stacking is the end user. Not hardly a fault of the weapon, now is it ? My most personally used carry weapon is one that is considered the most problematic of all 1911s. Series 80 Colt Officers, circa 1990s. I'll put that weapon's reliability up against any conceal carry hand gun made It function, feeds, fires and punches through what it is aimed at without fail. 
Creating more concerns for reliability, this weapon has been modified to a bobtail using parts that were never designed to be used with this gun. Yet, not one area of the feed ramp or barrel throat was modified in any way. Both areas factory Colt original. Feed ramp never touched. Not even polished. In fact it's still mostly covered in Cerakote. It feeds factory Winchester Supreme Elites like a teenager chewing through pizza. I changed two components of feed channel by switching to Wilson 47d magazine to quicken cartridge nose release and switched factory Colt extractor back to original GI spec Cylinder and Slide spring steel extractor. The 1911 is arguably the most reliable weapon ever made and it's biggest enemy is ignorance. 
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Kimber Custom II- 0 malf. in 3k+ rounds Springfield Mil-Spec- 1 malfunction in 1k rounds To the dude with the DW razorback...if it was "total shit", its probably you not the gun Yeah, we know, all 1911s work well, its just the person maintaining them causing the problems. Oh, wait, maybe its possible that DW can make a gun that wont chamber a round from wilson combat mags (no matter what the situation), fail to feed on only the last round on Chip mccormick mags and jam every other round on factory mags (i dont know who made them). My DW 10mm was fucked from the factory. Apparently whoever installed the ramped barrel was a bit out of their depth, and they couldn't have test fired it because it would jam every round out of the magazine into the roof of the chamber. Once I figured out what was going on with it, cut the sharp corners off the top of the ramp, it ran like it was supposed to. |
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I voted for " Somewhat reliable. 1 stoppage every 100 rnds".
Which is NOT acceptable for a pistol IMO. I cut my teeth on Colts back in the mid 1970's when I first started shooting. I love a 1911's trigger, balance, natural pointability, etc. They are great fun at the range and easy to shoot well. However, I've found them to be needy pistols which require extensive magazine experimentation, feed ramp polishing, chamber polishing, extractor tuning, etc. , etc. Several years ago, I started buying and shooting HK sidearms which have all run perfectly for me right out of the box. They are extremely accurate, completely reliable, have great ergos and are easy to take down for cleaning. I've put thousands of rds of assorted fmj and jhp ammo (9mm/.45acp) with zero failures to date. The only problem I had was a squib round (124 gr. Federal American Eagle) in my P30 L. I'll always love a Colt 1911 but right now I want a pistol I can totally rely on to protect my life and my family's lives. For me, it'll be one of my HK handguns. 
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Kimber Custom II- 0 malf. in 3k+ rounds Springfield Mil-Spec- 1 malfunction in 1k rounds To the dude with the DW razorback...if it was "total shit", its probably you not the gun Yeah, we know, all 1911s work well, its just the person maintaining them causing the problems. Oh, wait, maybe its possible that DW can make a gun that wont chamber a round from wilson combat mags (no matter what the situation), fail to feed on only the last round on Chip mccormick mags and jam every other round on factory mags (i dont know who made them). My DW 10mm was fucked from the factory. Apparently whoever installed the ramped barrel was a bit out of their depth, and they couldn't have test fired it because it would jam every round out of the magazine into the roof of the chamber. Once I figured out what was going on with it, cut the sharp corners off the top of the ramp, it ran like it was supposed to. Yeah, its probably something like that. I honestly don't know becasue it has different failures to feed specific to each brand of mag I have used. I don't know what makes a 1911 tick, and don't care to. It was given to me as a gift; my father asked what type of pistol I wanted and I said "a 10mm," hopeing for a 1006. I've tried lubing the shit out of it, and i only shoot double tap ammo, so i am at a loss what the problem is. I can pretty much detail strip my 92FS, but working on a 1911 just blows compared to other gun maintenance work. Honestly, I am not impressed with DW, and don't reccomend them to friends. I could have gotten a Delta Elite that doesn't work either for less money. |
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Kimber Custom II- 0 malf. in 3k+ rounds Springfield Mil-Spec- 1 malfunction in 1k rounds To the dude with the DW razorback...if it was "total shit", its probably you not the gun Yeah, we know, all 1911s work well, its just the person maintaining them causing the problems. Oh, wait, maybe its possible that DW can make a gun that wont chamber a round from wilson combat mags (no matter what the situation), fail to feed on only the last round on Chip mccormick mags and jam every other round on factory mags (i dont know who made them). My DW 10mm was fucked from the factory. Apparently whoever installed the ramped barrel was a bit out of their depth, and they couldn't have test fired it because it would jam every round out of the magazine into the roof of the chamber. Once I figured out what was going on with it, cut the sharp corners off the top of the ramp, it ran like it was supposed to. Yeah, its probably something like that. I honestly don't know becasue it has different failures to feed specific to each brand of mag I have used. I don't know what makes a 1911 tick, and don't care to. It was given to me as a gift; my father asked what type of pistol I wanted and I said "a 10mm," hopeing for a 1006. I've tried lubing the shit out of it, and i only shoot double tap ammo, so i am at a loss what the problem is. I can pretty much detail strip my 92FS, but working on a 1911 just blows compared to other gun maintenance work. Honestly, I am not impressed with DW, and don't reccomend them to friends. I could have gotten a Delta Elite that doesn't work either for less money. If you still have it, send it back to DW and demand they fix it. Mine had to have the sides of the rear of the barrel cut so far forward that the top of the ramp was sticking out like a shelf, and the cartridges were hanging on the sharp top corners, with a large gouge in the case to show for it. |
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Really the last 3 1911s Ive had have been flawless. The first Kimber I had needed an extractor tune, after that it was golden. Only problem I had out of my Nighthawk 10-8 was out of spec reloaded ammo. My current 1911 SA TRP has been flawless from the box. I took it to a Kyle Defoor advance pistol class a few weeks ago and only had a couple hundred through her. I ran close to 1K rounds in two days through her, zero hiccups.
As long as everything is tuned right and hasn't been bubbad they will be very reliable. I will agree with a guy a few posts up saying they need a little more love and care though compared to polymer pistols. I carry a 1911 and I relube at least once a week. |
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To make a long story short; I bought an early production S&W E Series 1911TA and it was absolutely, without question, the worst turd of a handgun that I have ever purchased and I have been buying them for almost 50 years.
That lemon could not run through a single eight round magazine without a stoppage of two. Two trips back to the factory and they couldn't fix it right. S&W ultimately replaced the pistol after the two tries to make it run and the E Series 1911TA I now have has been exemplary, over 3500 rounds of RA 45B, P45 HST2 and assorted FMJ range crap through it without a stoppage of any kind, although I need to use CMC Power Mags, rather than the factory mags, to get the most out of the gun which doesn't like Wilson 47Ds much either. And the pistol is extremely accurate as well as smooth as silk. I love the gun and I shoot it every week with absolutely terrific results. 
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granpa's 1911 flawless with ball, never tried anything else
Norinco 1911 It wasn't broke, so I fixed it until it was, but every problem I had was my own doing. I've had a half dozen Para-Ordinances, the only one that didn't work was a retread gunsmith kit that was FQT before I got it and I was never able to un-repair it. The rest [both single and double stacks] run like champs. 2 Springfield TRP's, both work flawlessly 1 Hi Standard [armscor] works well 80% of the problems I have ever had have been springs [mostly mag, sometimes recoil]. 15% have been ammo 5% have been general purpose stupidity [I tried to put a KART bull barrel in that Norinco, with nothing more than a dremel and a 5 pc. link kit, with predicatable results.] |
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The only problems I have ever had with mine were mag related (I had a bad mag that would misfeed all my 1911's) and any other time I had and issue it was due to ammo (one the round was seated to deep in the case and one had a misshaped case).
But 100% all of my with Wilson ETM mags and factory ammo. |
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I only will buy COLT 70S or 80S !!!
Colt Combat Elite 80S bought early 90`s I shoot SWC and several brands of HP and Ball never any problems! The only pistol that came close to it in Quality is my 1996 SIG P229 40sw Just make sure the Colt 70S is throated to feed HP |
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The first 1911 I ever fired was a Springfield GI spec rental in Okinawa. It was the dirtiest, grittiest pistol I had ever fired, though it handled 100 rounds with no issues.
Next was my own Colt 1991A1. It would stovepipe every 200 rounds or so until I put an oversized firing pin stop in it. It's had thousands of rounds through it since. The only other stoppage was a 10 round mag ejecting it's metal follower after the last round. All my magazines got Wilson guts after that. I added/fitted a bunch of stuff to improve accuracy and suit my tastes. The pistol remained flawless. My father-in-law has a Springfield Armory Champion from the custom shop that I've fired a couple hundred rounds through with no issues. He also has an Essex framed gun with a GI upper (WWII production IIRC) that I've fired about 100 rounds through with no issues. |
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My new Springfield Mil Spec just went to the range with me and 2 friends.
We pushed this weapon hard and in 500 rounds of my reloads, all 230 lead with various mags, it only failed to fully feed the last round of the last mag. I feel this is a pretty good test for me. I sold off a brand new Ruger SR1911 for the simple reason that it would not chamber my reloads. The same ones that the Springfield ate and puked out. I had a Kimber Custom II that, for the most part was flawless. The time was right to sell it, so I did. |
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in what world is 1 stoppage per 1k rounds "Some what Reliable"? 1 stoppage over 20 boxes of ammo is somewhat reliable. Should it be better or worse? The FAIL to your poll and premise of your OP is assuming all 1911s are created the same. It's just not the case. Do some homework on your part and find infantryman talking about their 1911s as indestructible and reliable as any striker fired pistol today. I've read personal testimony of infantryman who've picked their 1911 up out of the mud and fired. Just yesterday I was reading about a NAM vet talking about how his 1911 never failed him. This isn't just a few accounts by the way. These pistols weren't tolerance stacked like the "unreliable" 1911s we hear about today. Field grade 1911s were loose, unsupported barrels and ran ammunition designed for the weapon. Anyhow, I'm not trying to sell you on 1911s, blow smoke up your ass or play fan boy. Some truth in discussion is a good thing. I will say this and leave it at this. It's a good feeling to walk into a line of booths on range. Striker fired muzzles blasting steady taps into targets, while loading an 8 or 10 round magazine full of .45. Then just let it all go at once liked a raped ape mounted on a machine gun, with sights trained on King Kong. Every head in the house turns afterwards and it's hard to get much done for all the discussion going on. 1911s are such a simple, effective, reliable and eloquent weapon. It's not magic or rocket science for one to run right. 
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| Kind of a hard poll to vote on. My first 1911, a springfield Ultra compact 45, was the biggest POS I hvave ever owned, Never did get it to run right. I decided to give 1911's another chance since my dealer bragged up how great Kimbers were. I bought a eclipse target 2, over 10 years ago, and it is now well over 10k rounds through it. This particular Kimber has never had a failure of any kind. My Other Kimber 1911 is a 9mm stainless target 2 which has about 5k, and is now running perfectly. There was a magazine learing curve with this one, But it has been sorted out. I am a very firm believer in Wilson combat mags, and use them strictly in my 45, 10mm, 9mm, and new Limcat 40 s&w 1911's.I belive the biggest short comming of a 1911 is the mag capacity, this is where the 2011's come in. I have owned 2 of them now, a Sv sightracker, and now my Limcat wildcat, both in 40 s&w. If there was ever a situation where I had to use a pistol to fight with (zombie horde) ( criminal home invasion), I have over 20 differnt pistols to choose from, without a doubt I would grab the 2011. My SV had over 90thousand rounds through it when I sold it, and my Wildcat has about 11k. As long as you keep up on spring changes and, insist on Aftec extractors, there really is nothing that can compete with this design. Yes I have been down the striker fired road, Glock, M&P, Both great guns, until you make them shootable. (my opinion). |
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in what world is 1 stoppage per 1k rounds "Some what Reliable"? 1 stoppage over 20 boxes of ammo is somewhat reliable. Should it be better or worse? One stoppage every 1000 rounds is totally unacceptable. $500 dollar pistols are easily capable of exceeding this standard. As someone who thinks 1911s are obsolete, a quality 1911 is easily capable of exceeding this standard. |